CincyBillsFan

Seems like you're describing Tyrod here. I don't know what games you've been watching but several times per game I usually lose my breath at some of the throws Allen makes when he fits the ball between 3 defenders for a completion. I don't see him shying away from throwing into very tight windows. he just happens to get them there most of the time.

Either Jackson is a difference maker in what defines QB production or he isn't. A QB's rushing output - yards/TD's/1st downs - must be added to the passing stats when measuring overall production. At the same time lost fumbles should be included with INT's. By this measure Allen is a top 10 QB with 29 total TD's and only 13 total TO's. IMO this IS the key QB metric. Oh and Allen's 29 TD's puts him at 2nd place in Bills history for total TD's in a season - behind only Jim Kelly's 34 TD's in 1991.

And the other point he was making was that Allen did it against some pretty good defenses. This is a very encouraging stat.

Some 2BD posters noted that Allen played a poor first half until the last 2 minutes when he led the Bills on a game tying TD. A lot of us pointed out that late in the season against good D's QB's often struggle for a half or more. Well tonight we have a nice example of this with 2 of the best QB's in the NFL: Rogers = 18/30 for 156 yards; 0 TD's & 1 INT; QB rating of 60 Cousins = 4/12 for 40 yards; 1 TD & 0 INT; QB rating of 71. And Cousins can thank his D for the TD or his rating would be a 30! The Vikings have only gained TWO 1st downs the entire half. But, but, but only Allen is inaccurate!

This can be said of EVERY NFL QB. Yesterday for example the 2019 MVP, Lamar Jackson, disappeared for the first quarter and most of the 2nd quarter. He had less then 20 yards passing and had hit on only 25% of his passes. He also lost a fumble. His team was down 6 - 0 and the Ravens had not even sniffed the red zone. Then Jackson caught fire late in the 2nd period. Sound familiar?

And for the record Allen's 29 TD's through 15 games this season puts him behind only Jim Kelly's 34 TD's as the record for most TD's by a Bills player in a single season. That's not bad at all. In fact it's pretty spectacular if you ask me and shows excellent PRODUCTION from the QB position. Oh and over that same period Allen only has 13 TO's (INT's & Lost Fumbles). Allen has already outplayed pretty much everyone who has played QB for the Bills over the last 20 years. In his 2nd season and as a guy described as a PROJECT.

This misrepresents the situation and suggests that Allen routinely misses the easy throws. He doesn't. In fact this year he's been making almost all of the "easy throws". Yes, he does miss an easy throw once & a while. But to suggest it's a problem at this point is just not correct. And please I hope you're not calling the two times he missed Knox as "easy throws". Particularly the 2nd one in the end zone which was the type of play that looks open but can end in an INT if the pass isn't perfectly thrown. Sure, they were make-able throws but NOT easy throws. As for Allen being 13/26 indicating that he's missing "easy throws" I say BS. He had to throw at least 3 balls away due to the pass rush; he had to throw a ball at the RB's feet on a screen because the Pats had blown it up; and he threw a desperation hail Mary pass on the last play of the game. That means Allen was 13/21 or hitting on 62% in his other passes. And I didn't include a couple of deep shots and a dropped pass.

I'll give you Mahomes but how do you know this for Watson & Jackson? Earlier in the day on Sunday I watched Watson play a mediocre game that was critical to the Texans playoff chances. He missed several big throws and ended the day with no TD's and an INT. Against a Tampa pass defense that one would hardly call elite. As for Jackson, based on watching his game this year I doubt he hits on either of those throws as they were throws from the pocket in which the defense KNEW a pass play was on tap. Now I will give you that Jackson and the Ravens O scores from the 8 yard line because of the greater number of weapons they could bring to bear at that point. But I haven't seen a lot of evidence that Jackson hits either of those throws.

I'm with others in wanting the Bills to sit anyone on the injury report AND play their starters for 1 - 2 quarters. I get there's a risk of injury but I would worry about Allen being rusty in the first half of the playoff game if he got no snaps this Sunday. I think treating this like the 2nd preseason game seems the way to go.

And this is why I would take Joe Burrow over Chase Young in the upcoming draft. The relative impact of a QB versus a pass rushing specialist is hugely in favor of the QB. And unlike Bruce Smith, who played the run very well, Mack is a bit of a one trick pony. We're you the guy who threw that out? I just remember seeing it and saying to myself come on man, maybe he had 5 bad throws but 10, no way.

I think we're actually pretty close on this topic. And yes Mahomee has had the better season. As for crazy takes on 2BD it comes with the territory and IMO Allen is the target of most of the insanity thrown out around here. I mean just today we learned that: * Allen should be moved to TE * The Bills will NEVER win a championship with Allen at QB * Allen sucks * Allen missed on 10 throws against the Pats * Allen is regressing

Who the hell is saying this? What I've seen posted is that Allen isn't that far behind Watson. Which I think is true. But then again I think Allen is emerging into being a very good QB and Watson is already a very good QB. Most of the stuff on Jackson on 2BD is positive. At the same time it's not knocking Jackson to say that if he were dropped into the Bills offense he would struggle and not be as effective as Allen. That doesn't mean Allen is better then Jackson it simply acknowledges that the 2 play in very different systems and that Jackson benefits from playing in a system designed for him. It's a testament to Jackson's skills and the brilliance of the ravens coaching staff that they've taken the NFL by storm. As for Mahomes, the most common point made on 2BD is that he has a great offensive mind coaching him and he's surrounded with fantastic skill players. I can't think of to many folks who claim Allen is better though. Mahomes is probably the best QB in the NFL. Allen isn't there yet. But it's okay to speculate on how the two might fare if they switched offenses to play in.

I think you're talking to me so I'll reply. My point wasn't to say that Allen is equal to Mahomes he isn't and he has a long way to go to get there. My point was to show that Allen is closing the gap. And for the record what I posted wasn't cherry picking the stats. It was comparing 2 games played only 2 weeks apart that featured a common opponent with an elite D in their house. I thought it was interesting that in this situation Allen played about as well as Mahomes did. I found that encouraging. My post was aimed at those who continue to use Mahomes great play as a way to take a shot at Allen. And lets be real Mahomes gets a lot of love on 2BD and a lot of attention. For how many years did we have to see repeated posts reminding us that we passed on drafting Mahomes?

And this is why the # of drops attributed to the Bills receivers is artificially low. Bills receivers seem to make fewer tough catches then their counterparts around the league. And while that low pass to Knox wasn't a drop it's a pass that is caught by a lot of NFL skill players.

Brown & Beasley are very good but we need a big bodied WR on the field to compliment Beas & Smoke. It deprives the Bills of flexibility in the passing game.

I would agree that Mahomes is better then Allen - right now. But the difference in skill players can not be disputed - at least by a rational person. I would also argue that the Bills got the Pats A+ game and the Chiefs got their B game. My point was that when both QB's played NE on the road, only a couple of weeks apart and against one of the top 3 D's in the NFL and they both played equally well.

To be honest watching Sunday night football is becoming a chore & a bore. Al Micheals isn't very observant and he's got a bit of a nasty streak. And Collinsworth is insufferable and wears his favoritism on his sleeve. As for the game - the Bears fans can boo all they want but Turbisky has been running for his life. And I didn't realize the Bears had lost all 3 TE's from last season.

Interesting observation in reaction to all the Mahmes love on 2BD: Versus New England Mahomes = 26/40 for 283 yards; 1 TD & 1 INT; QB rating of 84; 6 rushes for 6 yards. Total yards = 289 Allen = 13/26 for 208 yards; 2 TD's & 0 INT; QB rating of 103; 7 rushes for 43 yards. Total yards = 251 Seems like very comparable games against a great defense in their house. Sure KC beat NE 23 - 16 and the Bills lost 24 - 17.. But would folks agree that KC has a better set of skill players?

This is so true. Another NFL Sunday and I've seen dozens of poorly placed balls caught by receivers making great plays. In fact it's the norm for most teams to have 5 - 10 of those kinds of passes. The ONLY thing about Allen & the Bills in these situations that's different is that Bill's receivers seem to make less of those catches. So another week of watching NFL games continues to show QB's overthrowing open receivers on the deep ball. QB's missing wide open guys on intermediate passes. QB's taking bad sacks & taking their teams out of FG range. I could go on. We put every Allen play under a microscope and declare any misfire a problem. Yet by those standards there's only 2 good QB's in the NFL. I also love the play by the Eagles Sanders there - Unselfish and Smart!

Judas Priest, this is the Dolphins team some folks thought would go up and beat the Pat's in Foxborow when NE needed to win to take the division?

What did I miss here? There are "Bills" fans thinking TN is better then the Bills? Really? There's a small but vocal subset of masochistic Bills fans that post on 2BD. It's nauseating if you ask me.

Nice article but did you notice that Thad started covering the Bills 20 years ago at the start of their decline? I think it's pretty clear that Brown is to blame for the last 20 years.

And size matters in the red zone - that guy looked pretty big.

Without being privy to the Bills film room we'll never know for sure about the play design. But I think it's fair to say that Daboll's play designs are NOT getting the most out of our TE's & RB's in the passing game. The question is whether it's on the players or the design? I'm leaning towards both.

I'm beginning to wonder how much scheme is contributing to the Bills offensive problems. I'm watching all these games on Red Zone and I'm amazed at all the WIDE OPEN guys on some pass plays. And it's NOT becasue they're making shifty moves like Smoke did yesterday but because the play design got them open. I'm talking about Darnold throwing a 2 yard pass to a TE that is so open he rumbles 30 yards before he gets touched. Or the 61 yard TD pass that Brees threw to a TE so open that he ran 45 yards untouched for the TD. Or the TD pass from Jackson to Ingram where he was wide open. We just don't see much (if any) guys getting that open for the Bills.