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I question CNNs long game. Think it's just $$s or is there something else?

So CNN is pimping for Trump? Why do you think CNN chose to support him in this way?

Thoughts to why CNN set it all up this way?

Yessir. I'll keep my mouth shut just for you But please don't forget, you da man that brought up religion and philosophy in our discussion. Cancel on brotha!

You seem to be arguing for religion, philosophy and faith a lot on the abortion issue. Unlike you though, I give you the right and freedom to express your thoughts and beliefs. Cancel on brotha!

Perhaps. Many don't believe we have a meaning. For me, I believe we're both temporal and spiritual. I think the implicit nature you refer to is when are those of us that believe endowed with a soul. All atheisits have, and perhaps agnostics as well, is science. So as I have inferred, I think there is a point where life begins for both. I do think scientifically, life begins at conception. Thanks for the context

Are you pro life or pro choice? And if pro-choice, all the way up to birth? Given your opinion that the beginning of life is a continuum, when does that continuum end? What's the latest point, generally? I'm thinking of the 21 week premie; certainly by then, right?

Congrats on your work. Do you acknowledge that other medical professionals and scientists hold opinions different than yours? What do you think of that? Your and theirs can't both be "facts", as you have labeled yours? I'd also be interested in your opinion as to when you hypothesize that human life begins. We certainly know that it begins, right? We certainly know that it develops along it's way. We know premies are born as early as 21 weeks, so human life began by then. Curious, knowing what you know, and with your education and background, when do you think life begins? Man you're snarky! Based on the reading I've done, fully acknowledging confirmation bias on my part, there appears to be a very strong argument that the point in time that a human life begins is at conception. It's all development after that event. Let's leave the meaning of life for another day. I can recommend a dang good movie thought, if you're interested.

It absolutely validates his opinion on this matter. But aren't you being hypocrytical given that my links included scientists and medical professionals that have been published and peer reviewed? Also, I want to make sure you understand that the Catholic Churches belief is that the world wasn't created in just 6 days. 😁

I thought it better to get oldman's scientific opinion on when life begins first. I do want to know if he's been published too. That question would have come. Hopefully he'll answer both.

Not scientific? Interesting response from a biologist

I was speaking philosophically When do you think human life begins?

Interesting contrast. Multiple biologists, all of which have been published and many of their papers having been peer reviewed, present their arguments for life beginning at conception. You post your position on a message board as fact. I tend to believe the medical & science professionals in the first category. Your argument appears to me to get all hung up on stages of development. I think everyone agrees that there are stages.

It really wasn't a blowout. The smallest number of vote swings that would have changed the results was something like 43,000, flipping the EC in Arizona, Wisconsin and Georgia, I believe. Numerous polls suggest if the laptop story wasn't suppressed by those that suppressed it, Trump would have won. And as context, I didn't vote for Trump.

Significant pivot here my friend. You should have kept reading. But I get it, it doesn't fit your agenda.

The majority of biologists believe human life begins at conception. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7245522/#:~:text=View that human life begins,it must be one already. This is pretty solid scientific support that life begins then. And just for giggles, here's link with many medical studies supporting this position. https://www.princeton.edu/~prolife/articles/embryoquotes2.html So what about viability? Human life isn't independently viable in many stages and in many conditions of health, even after birth. In fact I'd argue mostly after birth (makes sense because we're talking 9mos vs what, 80yrs). We find ourselves in the hospital our entire lives, increasingly as we get older. We wouldn't have life saving procedures without, not being independently viable. An infant, or even a toddler isn't independently viable, are they? The biological, or scientific, definition of viability is the "ability to survive or live successfully". It doesn't say, "on your own". The independent viability argument, supporting abortion doesn't make sense to me for these reasons. Additionally, I think our scientific advancement since R v W has taken us far beyond religious faith even mattering anymore. Science should be followed here. So while I respect your Catholic Faith, I guess I'd say kudos because the Catholic theologians had it right. Eliminating any sort of argument regarding oophorectomy's or vasectomies or condoms is simple and honestly scientific, right? Unless I'm not understanding your question, conception isn't occurring right? Regading your questions of me, I guess this leaves contraception options that occur immediately after conception. I guess I'd say, if this is the only controversy left on the table, I trust our great country can find a compromise. God help us if we cant. What we haven't addressed are the possible needs for an abortion in the first trimester due to rape or *****. Or perhaps a man and a woman have been so completely and totally irresponsible, given the myriad of options that a responsible human being can use for birth control these days, that we're left with an option of wanting to kill a human life because of them being absolute knuckleheads. I'm sympathetic in rape and ***** cases. In fact, I'm fully in support of aborting the perp for such a disgusting act (I'm kinda joking because I'm anti death penalty. Non-jokingly, some on this board have brought up castration. In rape and *****, I'd consider that). Obviously, drugs and medical procedures can end a pregnancy early in cases of rape and *****. Very early. That would of course depend on the victim reporting early. Easier to do with a rape as opposed to *****, I suppose. I think cases of rape and ***** must fall in our exceptions too, right? I do struggle with a woman claiming rape to justify her abortion in the 3rd trimester.

Human life beginning at conception for you then must be faith based as opposed to science based? Not to be difficult, I'm just trying to understand your position better. When then do you believe life begins scientifically?

Why are you personally against abortion?

Unless it infringes on the life of another, of course. Right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Life was first for a reason.

Health to all! And you didn't answer me the first time, what's a woman? need for a whole lotta health

The baby's health? Is that what you're saying? I haven't seen or been made aware of one abortion that was done for the baby's health.

Trump use to be pro choice. Biden use to be pro life. What's a girl/woman?

I think murdering babies being "basic" has already been covered

so no charge of bribery? Yeah really really really not enough

I stand corrected. They've been friends for 27 yrs. And I'll leave this reply rather than deleting my post. Bribe? Link