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  1. 14 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

     

    Why do you think they're a fake team?

     

    They did a better job on the Chiefs than we did.  If it wasn't for an uncalled head-hunting personal foul by Sorenson at the goal line they could have made it closer.  And whether or not you agree, a lot of people see Stefanski as a very talented coach who is changing the culture and getting the most out of his guys.

     

    Now from the JJ Watt POV - last year the Browns had Myles Garrett and 31 year old Olivier Vernon bookending at DE.  Garrett led the way with 12 sacks and 18 QB hits, but Vernon was right up there with 9 sacks and 16 QB hits.  That was a significant jump on his 2019 production (he only played 10 games in 2019) - but it is also a higher number than Watt has had since 2018.  And Vernon was cheaper at $11M/yr.

     

    Chances are Watt, like any top player, would bet on himself to show he's an upgrade. 

     

    But how do the Browns see it?  Do the Browns want Watt, or do they want to re-up Vernon who knows their system and just demonstrated what he can do as a bookend to Garrett?

     

     

    Vernon tore his achilles in week 17. He won't be back. He's solid, but not coming off that injury. 

  2. 8 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

    If I'm ranking based on his SB desires:

     

    1. Green Bay: The NFC sucks and the NFC North is terrible 

     

    2. Tennessee:  With the Colts having no QB and the Texans total dumpster situation, they should win the South easily.  I put them here over us bc I think they can out bid us.  

     

    3. Buffalo:  If Miami doesn't get Watson and Tua doesn't improve the Bills could go 6-0 in the division again.  

     

     

    That should be his list unless he plays for league minimum with the Cowboys or Chiefs.    

     

    Cleveland? Opposite Garrett, with an up and coming young team. I think Cleveland is just as high as Tennessee. Probably a little behind KC and Buffalo but still right there.

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  3. 16 minutes ago, SGA50 said:

     

     

     

    Rookie Year versus Year 4?

     

    22-0 is not 10-7

     

    You do realize Allen lost to Watson in the playoffs just last year, right? A game Buffalo lead 16-0 in the 3rd quarter.

     

    At this point in time I take Allen over Watson if I had to choose one or the other. But let's stop pretending like Watson isn't a great quarterback.

     

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  4. 1 hour ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

    I'm going with the guy who won his division with a 13-3 record and unseated a dynasty of 20 years. No award from me for competent coaching instead of incompetent. Oh and McDermott did it with a less talented team. SMDH

     

    Unseated a 7-9 team with hot garbage at QB. I honestly have no clue how they even ended up at 7-9. 

     

    McDermott is a great coach. Imagine, the Browns were planning to hire him instead of Hue Jackson until Haslam stepped in. 

     

    As I said, McDermott was fully deserving of the award. If he would have won it I would have completely understood. But it's amazing seeing people act like Stefanski did an "ok" job this year. He completely changed the team and the culture. In one year. Without any offseason at all. 

  5. 6 hours ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

    All I've heard the last couple years about the Browns is how talented the team is, perhaps the MOST talented in the entire league a good many analysts have stated!

    If this is the case, why does Stefanski get so much credit? It is pretty obvious from the record that the coach of the year got outperformed by at least McDermott and perhaps others. The media got going on him mid-season as the favorite and didn't let up. Shame.

     

    Because last year the talent didn't matter. Cleveland went from 6-10 to 11-5. Ended a 18 year playoff drought and won a playoff game. The talent from last year to this year didn't change much. Only thing that changed was the coach.

     

    Add in that Stefanski did all that without an offseason and without a preseason as a first time head coach. Mcdermott is a great coach, and he would have deserved it too, but he has had his system in place for 4 years now makes this offseason situation a lot easier to manage.

  6. 50 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

     

    I would assume we deny the request to interview until we’re done with the playoffs

     

    Having watched the press conference of the new Detroit Lions HC I would say - “Don’t Do It, Ken Dorsey.  Don’t Jump!”.  Whatta Maroon.

     

     

    I think Daboll could explain to him that if you take an OC job where you’re really not set up for success, you can wind up bouncing around the league and be seen as a failure.  Then it can be a long time coming to get another shot.

     

     

    You can't deny interviews when it's a promotion.

  7. 38 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

     

    What was the word that preceded "universally?"

     

    Go google your power rankings and you might find one here or there that had Cleveland better than Indy.  The vast majority of them had Indy better, though.

     

    I know because I already looked.

     

    So I say "a bunch" and you require 4 sources. You say "almost universally" and think 1 is fine. Makes sense.

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  8. 11 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

     

     

    Is it just slipping everyone's mind that the Colts also beat the #4 seed Titans and #1 seed Packers in consecutive games AFTER the aforementioned Cleveland loss???

     

    Cleveland beat Tennessee too. You also left out where Indianapolis got blown out by Tennessee two weeks later. How about how they gave Jacksonville their only win of the year?

     

    The Packers win is obviously impressive. Well done. Doesn't mean they're a "great" team. Good, solid playoff team. 

  9. 11 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

     

    A bunch?

     

    Define "a bunch" and post links. I would think "a bunch" would be more than 3.

     

    Post 4.

     

    You said universally considered better yet gave 1 example. Define "universally."

     

    I'll post some links I found later but I'm on a phone right now. Once I have access to a PC I will do that.

  10. 33 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

     

    They ended the season with the same record.  According to FootballOutsiders' DVOA metric Indy was the 10th best team in the NFL and Cleveland was the 18th best.

     

    The Colts were almost universally considered a better team than the Browns.

     

    Universally, huh? Cleveland beat Indy pretty easily early in the year. Cleveland was the higher playoff seed. 

     

    Football Outsiders is 1 metric. A bunch of power rankings and such had Cleveland ahead. 

  11. 18 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said:

    He needs to sit out and get ready for next season,  league should send in DR's because i don't trust that slime ball Reid.  Yes Reid is a slime ball to have the type of jerks on his team Mathieu who today walk over top of a Brown WR laying on the ground and Hill who attacked one of position coaches and has history of domestic violence.

     

    The league does send in Drs. They aren't team Drs who make the determination. Reid has nothing to do with it.

  12. 3 hours ago, below said:

    Lots of possibilities this offseason.

     

    On one hand we have almost no cap room.

     

    On the other hand we have the potential to clear a lot of space with Hughes (8m) Morse (5m) Brown (8m), Jefferson (6m)  Addison (5m), Butler (7m), Matekevich (3m). That's potentially $40 million.

     

    A few weeks ago I figured there was no way we'd let Brown go but it's becoming obvious Davis HAS to play full time.

     

    Of course we won't release all of them but definitely will lose some of them. 

     

    My guess:

    release: Jefferson, Butler, Brown, Matakevich. Possibly extend ONE of Jefferson/Butler for extra cap room. Maybe get a 5th or 6th rounder for Brown in a trade.

    re-sign D.Williams, Feliciano and one of McKenzie/Roberts. Milano gone for a comp pick and pretty much all the other UFAs gone unless VERY cheap.

     

    We'd take a hit next year but collect comp picks and have more money for the future. Very dependent on a good draft in 2021 to replace our losses.

     

    Or we could go the Saints route: push money into the future and go all-out next year.

     

     

    If you release a player, you can't get comp picks for them.

  13. 12 hours ago, Big Turk said:

     

    So at home they barely beat the Steeler backups but they ae somehow going to waltz into Pittsburgh missing 4 starters and 3 more regular contributors, haven't practiced all week and missing their head coach and win?

     

    0.5% chance. Not happening.

     

    Bold prediction:

    KC loses to either the Ravens or Titans, we beat Colts then Steelers and host the AFC Championship game.

     

    I'm not saying it'll happen, but Pittsburgh is 1-4 in the last 5 games and they aren't unbeatable. Run the ball, control the clock, and you have a chance. 

  14. 8 hours ago, Bob in STL said:

    If the Browns play their starters for one half (less Big Ben) then I think they can win. The way Mayfield played against the Jets makes me wonder about the Browns in general.  
     

     

    The dude was playing with receivers who had never played in a game before. Not just one, all of them. They had to do a walk-through in the parking garage Sunday morning because they didn't know they were losing the receivers till Saturday afternoon. Mayfield definitely didn't play well but he didn't have anything to work with either.

     

    I was more disappointed in the run game.

  15. 8 hours ago, metbill said:

    So, if you had a Henry on your roster you should be on this list too?  Brownies are limited by what they can and can't do consistently, which is pass.  Allen is proving week by week that he was/is the big QB get of that draft.  Lamar has been solved, at least for the moment.  We will see tonight....

     

    The Browns also played three weeks in a row in very bad wind or rain which limited passing for both teams. They averaged like 145 yards a game for three games in a row. 

     

    Also take into account that Buffalo has been running the same offensive system for 3-year straight in Cleveland has been running four systems in three years. It takes a while to get comfortable in a system and really open up what you're trying to do.

     

    And Cleveland leads the league in rushing. The total offenses are 11 yards a game difference.

  16. On 11/23/2020 at 1:17 PM, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

     

    It's the Browns.

     

    one playoff appearance (2002). The last playoff win game came with Bernie Kosar era

     

    And the Bills have made the playoffs very recently, but they also had a huge stretch before that, and haven't won a playoff game since 95. Quit acting like Buffalo's history had been much better.

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