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7 hours ago, Sheneneh Jenkins said:
Yes I do. And has nothing to do with preseason. Although he did look good. I'm not in any way basing my opinion off that. He's an experienced QB that was a starter until now and could still be a starter on some teams.
Regarding the bold, name those 10 back up QBs that you think is better.
Trey Lance
Minshew
Mariota
Keenum
Lock would be close
Fields/Dalton
Brissett
Mac Jones and Jordan Love are unproven, so it's hard to say, but 95% of teams would take them over Trubisky.
Trubisky is a decent QB, but he's not good either. Judy an average guy, which is OK as a backup.
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On 8/27/2021 at 3:18 PM, Sheneneh Jenkins said:
Because he is the best QB2 in the league, adding he will be a starter again after Bills. Also because he would be best chance to help win some of those games while QB1 is out.
You really think Trubisky is the best backup in the league? After 1 preseason? He was a below average starter who has had a good preseason. I think he'd have trouble breaking a top 10 of backups in the league.
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11 hours ago, Meatloaf63 said:
We couldn’t afford that though, can you franchise some you don’t have the cap to keep?
Trubisky would sign the franchise tag so fast and Buffalo would be screwed. Paying top 5 money for 2 QBs? And who would trade for him at that pay?
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42 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:
See Jerry Jones. If Dak goes down early, Jerruh might panic.
Cooper Rush has played just as well in the preseason, and already knows their system.
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9 hours ago, Process said:
Well the QB competition in NO is over.
Saints gave a gadget player a $140,000,000 contract.
Lmao.
A fully voidable $140M contract. His contract for this year is around $12M, and it can all be voided after the year with no consequence.
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7 hours ago, PrimeTime101 said:
This.
I am one of the first to say, Mitch's stock value went through the roof last game but after Mitch we have nothing.. That being said we have Mitch for just one year at this price... Like it or not he going to be worth way more next year So... If your trading him it is for another lesser value quality backup and a mid round pick. Even if you wait for the trade deadline to get better value there is still 10 games left and I do not think the Bills will risk it with 10 games left.
The only way I could see this happening is if a double trade was set up at trade deadline and I will give you an example.
Lets say a top 8 team in the NFL looses there starter near the trade deadline.. They are in search for a QB that can get it done. At the same time Sack god Rousseau is really looking like the real thing and on top of that AJ and Basham are looking great on the other end. So you would trade Hughes to a team that thinks he is that last piece needed for their quality backup QB and then trade Mitch for either a 3rd round draft pick or a special need to to our injury situation.
The above example is the only way I could see something like this happening.
Now I would like to address the other elephant in this room(topic) This is more of a QB driven league then when we had a QB named Frank Reich. IF you guys think Mitch is going to come this cheap next year your nuts... and we have far more contacts to pay for in the coming years then to pay for high $ on a QB most say is the best backup in the league. Mitch is a serviceable QB that will get a solid team 10-11 wins. remember.. he is a career 64% passer that went 29-21 on a HORRIBLE Bears team... stop putting Mitch down like he is a backup QB because he is not.
This is my take.
I don't see any way a team gives up anywhere near a 3rd rounder for QB who has been average at best his whole career, and is on a 1 year contract, all because he played fairly well in 2 preseason games against mostly 2nd stringers. Trubisky isn't a bad QB at all, but there was next to no market for him in FA. A couple decent preseason games won't change that.
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11 hours ago, dave mcbride said:
I think they probably are desperate. I doubt the coach/GM want to go 0-and-whatever if Ryan goes down.
Trading a 4th for Jake Fromm, and then starting him, is exactly how you go 0-and-whatever.
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6 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:
5th rd pick a year or so ago. So far better than either niners guy.
Stick is from NDSU too.
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8 minutes ago, Rico said:
Yep. As we all saw in the SB, punch the Rat in the face and he folds like a cheap suit. If the new Chargers HC knows what he is doing, Bosa will be loaded for bear.
That's how you beat every great QB. Not like this is some great mystery.
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2 hours ago, Rico said:
Yes, Chiefs were badly exposed in the SB, but even with an upgraded D-line, it’s up to McD/Frazier/Daboll to have the team ready to play. Above all else, I blame coaching for the 2 KC debacles last year.
Exposed? If you truly believe that, then did the Chiefs "expose" Buffalo in the AFC championship game?
I don't understand how one team getting beat is exposing them and another team getting beat is just nothing.
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8 hours ago, Rico said:
They beat the Texans, Titans, and a Kyle Shanahan team to win their Super Bowl.
They were exposed as frauds in the second Super Bowl.
This is the most tryhard trolling I've ever seen.
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28 minutes ago, Juice_32 said:
Bolt would destroy him at 40 or 70. Destroy him.40, maybe not destroy him, but I think he'd win. He actually starts "slow" in comparison to his times.
But there's zero doubt that Bolt is faster.
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Schobert is a good LB. Not great against the run, but a very solid coverage guy. Pretty average athletically, but seems to be smart and diagnoses well.
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7 hours ago, StHustle said:
What a way to be the 2nd player in history to come out...
That's not how that works, at all.
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7 hours ago, Homey D. Clown said:
why did he even have to "come out" anyway, his personal life is his business, seems more like unnecessary theater to me. you're gay, whoop-de-frickin-dooo, so are millions of other Americans.
Because there are plenty of gay people who are afraid to come out, or who have or are contemplating suicide. Having a "public" figure in a sport that hasn't really had many people come out may grant one person the ability to come out or to reevaluate suicide.
Letting people know it's "ok", whatever that may mean to each person, can be very helpful.
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16 hours ago, thurst44 said:
Sorry, but that Bills-Titans game last year has a big ol' asterisk next to it, and I think you know that. The Titans had an astounding 16-day rest while the Bills had to practice for both Titans and Chiefs, not knowing which team they were playing. And if you're gonna say, well, the Titans had a lot of players out with COVID, we also had Tre White and Matt Milano out and Tremaine playing with one arm for all intents and purposes. Yes, they won, but it says nothing about whether they were better than us. Were the Jets better than the Browns last year--the Browns lost under normal circumstances with the playoffs still on the line. I'm impatient for the Titans rematch this year, b/c I could see it being a revenge game.
The Browns lost their top 5 WRs 2 days before the game due to COVID and weren't even allowed to practice. Hardly "normal" circumstances.
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39 minutes ago, billsrul120 said:
Passing is more valuable om a down to down basis than running. If a team is prioritizing the run they either don't understand today's game or know that the QB is incapable.
Yes, passing is more valuable, to an extent. If you have the best online or close, and the best RB duo in the game, you run the ball. Period. Teams are built to stop the pass now, so if you can establish the run, you do. Also, if defense is a weakness, then running helps mask that to an extent.
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5 hours ago, billsrul120 said:
I can agree with the idea that Mayfield could improve with more time in the system but a more important point is to look at how the Stefanski introduced a run first system knowing that Mayfield would be his QB. They don't think it's a good recipe for him to be controlling the game with his arm which is telling in a league that is more and more reliant on throwing. Good luck paying him as a top quarterback when your system is designed to deemphasize the QB.
Stefanski prioritized the run in Minnesota too. And Chubb is a top tier RB, as is Hunt. It would be stupid to NOT prioritize the run.
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4 hours ago, GoBills808 said:
Hill is a slot DB going to play corner for the Browns on a 2 year/$9M deal, and Ward is basically Wallace. Maybe a little better. Their safeties are fine. Ours are AllPro caliber.
Johnson is a top tier safety. Ward is pretty close to White, he's just injured more than you'd like. Hill will be in the slot as he has been.
They now have Newsome to go along with Ward, Hill, Greedy Williams, and Delpit back at safety. Ronnie Harrison is pretty decent too
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3 hours ago, chknwing334 said:
Coaching and coordinators have been an advantage for Allen, but Allen had much less to work with as far as WRs, RBs, and TEs in 2018 and to a lesser extent in 2019. Allen had possibly the worst receiving core in the NFL in 2018.
Mayfield's offensive weapons in 2018 : Jarvis Landry, Nick Chubb, David Njoku, Antonio Callaway
Allen's offensive weapons in 2018 : Kelvin Benjamin, Zay Jones, 30 year old LeSean McCoy, Charles Clay
Mayfield 2019 : OBJ, Jarvis Landry, Nick Chubb, David Njoku
Allen 2019 : John Brown, Cole Beasley, Dawson Knox, Devin Singletary
2018 Chubb hardly played until 3/4 of the way through the year. He would come in once every two games and break off a big run and then hardly play after that because Hue Jackson is stupid. Callaway was hit and miss too so I wouldn't really count him as a weapon. He made a couple big plays and then basically disappeared. And Njoku has been really up and down his whole career as well. Plus he missed almost all of 2019.
I would call 2018 a wash just in terms of support. 2019 Mayfield had better weapons but way a worse coach and was playing in his third system in 2 years. That's more what I meant when I said he had a harder situation. He was changing coordinators and head coaches left and right. It's hard to get comfortable in a system when it's changing all the time.
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17 hours ago, Jauronimo said:
The Browns won a playoff this past season after the Steelers went out and spotted them a 21 point lead.
The first 7, sure. But why if Buffalo did something is it them "making plays" but if Cleveland did it, it's the other team spotting them points? That's how things are presented here.
I think both teams will be in the hunt next year. Buffalo plays in a MUCH easier division, so that'll help the record portion, but I think both teams are pretty even right now. Allen is better than Mayfield right now, but Mayfield has had a much harder situation in his career so far. Mayfield will never be Allen in terms of ability, but he can still be a top tier QB. I also don't think Allen would be who he is today if he changed HC and OC as many times as Cleveland did in 3 years.
Cleveland is much more balanced then Buffalo. Buffalo has"proven" it longer. But Cleveland I feel had finally figured out the GM and HC situations, so going forward both teams should be good. Remember, Cleveland's current GM wanted McDermott, not Hue Jackson. D And he wanted Stefanski last year, but Freddie Kitchens.
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5 hours ago, KOKBILLS said:
The Browns are certainly a good team, but they re-vamped their offensive approach last year for a reason. They know Baker has limitations. The Browns ran the ball 48.4% of snaps in 2020 for a reason...They have to stay balanced because their QB is not elite. And they have the talent at RB and O-Line to run it well... While that did allow them to be very competitive when it worked, the problem was when it didn't...Like the Jets game...They were bad on Offense because the Jets shut down the run (45 yards total, a 2.5 yards per carry average). This is the way NFL Defenses will approach the Brown Offense in 2021, they will make Baker beat them, so it will be up to Baker to raise his game...
I don't care what they did on paper so far. If Mayfield cannot raise his game to the next level the Browns will have issues winning their own Division (they lost twice to Balt, went 2-1 vs Pittsburgh but got beat up in the loss early on when the Steelers were healthier, and beat Cincy by a total of 8 points in 2 games), let alone being the #2 team in the AFC...
We'll see I guess...
The Jets game had Cleveland missing their top 5 WRs due to Covid, and they started 2 players who had never seen an NFL field and were signed 3 days before the game.
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21 minutes ago, Pbomb said:
Trade one of the 5ths for ertz
Why would Philly even accept that?
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Trubisky trade value?
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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See, I disagree. Most of them have played better when given the chance than Trubisky. Maybe Trubisky turned a corner in Buffalo, but that's hard to say after a couple preseason games.
And yes, the rookies are unproven, but most them also played pretty well this preseason.
The veterans have proven to be good players. Keenum led the Vikings to a 13-3 record in few years ago. Minshew was a good QB on a garbage Jacksonville team. Mariota has been a good starter. Lock may or may not be, he honestly is very similar to Trubisky of showing flashes but never putting it all together.
Trubisky is a good backup. I just don't feel after 1 preseason you can anoint him the best backup in the league. He may prove me wrong.