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2 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:
Way too many people are forgetting what he did at Stanford. He took over a weak program and within 4 seasons got them to 12-1 and won a blowout in the Orange Bowl (against Tyrod Taylor, actually). He was an incredible coach at the University of San Diego (D2) as well, taking over a moribund program and going 11-1 in both of his final two years there.
Finally, it’s as if people don’t realize he was good at Michigan. Excluding the covid season, he went 10-3, 10-3, 8-5, 10-3, 9-4, and 12-2 (59-19 overall). Yes, he lost to Ohio State, but that was a function of talent. Ohio State has more than anyone else outside of Alabama.
Yeah, people always just throw out the "He lost to Ohio State" while completely ignoring that Ohio State has had a huge recruiting lead for years now, mainly due to the Rodriguez/Hoke down years and underachieving. Harbaugh hasn't been perfect by any means, but he has greatly improved the teams since he arrived. His main downside was his loyalty to Don Brown. Once he replaced him, the defense matched up a lot better to spread/speed teams.
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15 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:
Funny how those telling us to "shut up" forget this fact. For YEARS after the KC trade we had to read comments and threads that talked ONLY about not picking Mahomes. Heck, in 2019 THREE FREAKING years after the fact and with Allen showing signs of being a great QB and the Bills making the playoffs we were still subjected to this abuse.
But now when folks naturally want to rank order the four best young QB's in the AFC (Allen, Mahomes, Burrow & Herbert) they want people to shut the hell up. IMO the arguing over who is the best of these elite young QB's makes a lot more sense then the constant whining about how the Bills didn't draft Mahomes.
To be fair, not drafting Mahomes was completely stupid. Just because it worked out a year later doesn't mean that passing him was a good call. Just dumb luck that worked out.
As far as who is better, they're all so close at this point it doesn't really matter.
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10 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:
i don't know, why not?
depends on if the Steelers are in rebuild mode. The Steelers are another team, if Rodgers is there, another challenge. Hopefully Rodgers stays in GB, which fails to put a winning team around him.
yep, I think the best way is FA. I could only think of Watt, but there might be FA's available.
No team is going to tie up 30% of their cap on a player they don't even have. And I doubt the Steelers are going full rebuild after they snuck into the playoffs. They need a QB and they'll at least be competative.
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Steelers can't trade Watt. WAY too much dead money for them to eat.
But yeah, I still had some minor turnover doubts about Allen to start the year, but congrats, you got a top tier QB from here on out. Dude has had the physical ability the entire time, but he developed more than I ever thought he could.
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1 minute ago, Bangarang said:
Looked like he clearly had possession with both feet draggingHe lost control with both hands and recaught it, but by then he was out of bounds. If he didn't bobble it would have been a catch.
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Just now, HappyDays said:
How is that not a catch??
Double caught it. By the time he secured it, he had touched out of bounds.
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2 hours ago, Nextmanup said:
Pittsburgh kept this game interesting longer than I thought. It was still interesting with like 5 minutes left in first half.
And then a little later it was 35-7.
Big Ben is so beyond washed up it's kind of incredible.
Makes you wonder what Brady is up to.Simple case of steroids, etc.?
The simple fact that you are comparing Ben and Brady, and chalk it up to steroids, is laughable. Ben is the opposite of what a NFL player should be in terms of taking care of himself. He is notoriously unhealthy.
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1 hour ago, Helpmenow said:
Bob Saget, the American actor and stand-up comedian who was best known for his role as beloved single dad Danny Tanner in the sitcom ‘Full House’, was found dead from ‘unknown causes’ in a room at the Ritz-Carlton hotel in Orlando on Sunday, just a month after getting his COVID booster shot.
In one post, you claim it was a heart attack "from something else" then in another your article says "from unknown sources." So which is it? What evidence do you have?
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Kneel it out!
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1 hour ago, TH3 said:
Don’t get why “hot coordinators” are the go to…..completely different job and skill set required to be a HC
It's either a "hot" coordinator or a retread HC.
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21 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:
Blaming the media again - clown show up there as usual. She says he’s unhappy and there is friction. He will want to be traded unless things change (play calling to avp etc). It doesn’t criticize him. It’s not surprising. He does seem miserable. Why wouldn’t he be?
do you think she made this up for clickbait or she has a source that told her this? Whether the source is right or wrong (I’ll be honest, she’s usually way too kind to the browns)
The Cleveland beat reporters are softer than almost any other nfl market. Most of the town kisses his ass on the regular. He’s the most sensitive nfl player of all time.
he hated hue. Then he wanted Freddy. Then he hated Freddy. Then he liked stefanski for a minute. Now he can’t work with him either. It’s always someone else’s fault.
what’s his value right now? A 4th? 5th?Yes Beane is terrible. His team is in the playoffs, no one cares about teller (well, I don’t)
Again, the majority of the top of your quote is pure speculation. The only one that was confirmed to be an issue was Mayfield and Jackson. The others are speculation and that's it. I never once saw anything where he "hated" Kitchens or Stefanksi.
And your whole first statement is what Cabot wrote, and again, it's speculation. Unless she talked to Stefanski or Mayfield, it's speculation. They had barely finished the game and there is an article about him wanting to be traded. Cabot writes articles for clicks, and subscriptions now as well. Some are overly complimentary. Most are speculation and inferences based on nothings. You don't just run a story based on a source unless you can verify the information. And it's not just her, it's media as a whole. The entire sports media just throws up "sources" on every report with no basis whatsoever. A lot, like Schefter, have proven over the years to obviously verify things because it is extremely rare they are wrong.
Also, I was never saying Beane is terrible, just making the comparison because every GM out there makes a bad trade or drafts a bad player. It happens.
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54 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:
Always believe the guy that gave up a 3rd for tuhrod Taylor. 🤣
Right, but just any random article you found is more credible? Dorsey also drafted Mahomes, so I guess he's total garbage huh? Ward? Chubb? He was a pretty decent GM, though he missed a lot in the middle rounds, just too full of himself and chose to due on the Freddie Kitchens hill in Cleveland. Is Beane bad for trading Teller to.........Dorsey?
I'm not saying it's not possible that Mayfield had input, but just as much (or more) points the other direction.
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1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:
That’s right. She works for the Cleveland plain dealer. She’s a real reporter. She doesn’t write her own headlines. She’s not negative. She’s not “drumming up drama”. She reports what she hears. Browns fans don’t like it because they don’t want drama around the team but “baker the content maker” is the one driving the clicks not her. And of you listen to any objective person they will say the same thing including the radio media who have been saying any criticism of her is a joke in this regard. Only the fans in denial rag on her.
The thing is, Baker didn't say anything about this situation until Cabot posted an article that is pure speculation. That's her issue. She implies stuff nonstop and then write articles about that as if it is legit.
I am sure Mayfield and Stefankski have some issues as the season didn't go as planned. I think any fan would admit it. But Cabot has been writing crap stories like this for years, not just since Mayfield has been there.
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1 hour ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:
I thought you couldn’t trade comp picks?
They changed that a couple years ago.
4 hours ago, gonzo1105 said:Don’t laugh at the guy but with Covid, the draft last year was really week after round 4. With the extra year this draft will be deeper than typical ones.
The Bills have 9 picks. If Frazier gets a HC job that’s an extra 3rd. Usually you have to get about 3.5 million now to even qualify in the top 32 lost Free Agents.
Out of those guys that are Free Agents, I suspect if we don’t re sign them that Trubisky, Wallace, Phillips, maybe Hughes on a 1 year, and Neal because of his STs prowess plus position flexibility being the likely guys. I would suspect we end up with 2 comp picks in the later rounds.
It could end up being
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3rd(Frazier)
4th
5th
5th(Comp)
6th
6th(Johnson)
6th(Comp)
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7th(Smith)
Limit of 4 comp picks per team, and also a limit on the total number, so it can vary quite a bit.
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18 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:
And there are plenty of articles that say he didn't have a say in the hiring. Dorsey himself said Mayfield didn't have a say.
https://www.cleveland.com/sports/g66l-2019/01/85a2a5bc4b7005/baker-mayfields-involvement-in.html
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26 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:
Possibly
But the Kitchens experiment, wasn’t that on Baker?
No. It's on John Dorsey. Dorsey himself said he didn't consult Mayfield about Kitchens.
20 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:Yes. An ill advised hire because they let a rookie Qb call the shots. As it stands the only HC he’s ever gotten along with is Lincoln Riley
Mayfield didn't hire Kitchens. It was Dorsey hiring a yes man.
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51 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:
LOL at every failed Browns QB jumping in to get get shots off at Cabot, as if their horrible performances that ended their careers are HER fault.
Kinda funny, but mostly pathetic. Typical Browns.
It obviously not her fault players fail, but she consistently drums up drama and controversy where there typically is none. It drives clicks. It's how she makes money, so I get it.
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6 hours ago, purple haze said:
Copy Editors usually write the headlines not the reporter. Good chance she has nothing to do with that.
If Mayfield played better she and other reporters would write about that; about big stats, memorable performances and playoff successes. Unfortunately, he hasn’t played consistently even when healthy and his future there is questionable.
Should the Browns make him the highest paid QB in the game or even close to it? Why or why not? Should they find a new QB now, trade Mayfield or give him another year to prove himself? He has the ball in his hands every play. He can control the narrative. When a guy doesn’t play well enough at that position this is what happens. Not Cabot’s fault he ain’t that dude (yet, if ever).
Right, they shouldn't pay him anywhere near top QB money. I do believe he is above average, but he is too inconsistent. This year is kind of hard to say because he got hurt early in the 2nd game of the year and was obviously not the same as he was before. But only the guys in the building, and Baker himself, will truly know how much that hampered him. It is extremely odd to have the season he had last year with a brand new head coach, and then regress that bad in year 2 simply by chance. I think the injury was the major factor, but he is on essentially a 1 year prove it deal next season.
Either way, Mary Kay isn't a good writer. There are have been more than once or twice that people have asked if she was serious after questions, and it's not just players and such. Maybe she isn't good in the way she words questions, but being a writer for this many years, she should have a handle on it by now.
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2 hours ago, DCofNC said:
This is why Josh’s deal was better than Maholmes’. He’ll get to re set the market again, Maholmes will likely never get to. Allen got paid almost as much AND gets to go again in his prime, Maholmes will be in the league for 13 years by the time he gets another shot at being a FA, not great.
They will renegotiate way before 10 years.
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8 minutes ago, Inigo Montoya said:
I agree. The Troll in this thread makes a big deal about the $40 a year contract Josh got. In three years, scrub QBs are going to be getting $50+ a year with the cap exploding from the new TV contract and new gambling money that is going to start flooding into the the NFL. Josh's contract is going to give the Bills years of competitive advantage over any team that has to ink their QBs to a new contract after this year.
When Murray, Herbert, and Burrow resign they will be averaging $50 - $55 million a year.
By then, if contracts are exploding like you say, odds are Allen will ask for a new contract. He isn't going to sit at $40M if average Joe's are getting $50M.
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19 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:
He does? I kind of feel like he creates his own drama and then finger-points at others for it. He carries grudges against the press - who was that one reporter he had a public spat with a couple years ago? And as Cabot reported, Mayfield refused to make himself available for the required media press conference after the Lions win. That ain’t a brave guy who “tells you like it is and doesn’t pull punches”, that’s a guy who doesn’t want to face the music of tough press questions, even when it’s music he’s contractually obligated to face.
Not that the media doesn’t put out flimsy stories at times, but (see above) my impression is that Cabot in general is a careful and credible reporter, and telling her “he’s not her puppet” IMHO implies that he legitimately provided some of the material in the story and didn’t like the way she “spun” it, not that she didn’t have legit sources.
Mary Kay Cabot is a quack. She writes articles for drama and clicks. She has decent content sometimes, but she then writes headlines for said article in order to create drama. I know clicks = money, but she isn't a great representative of a great and fair reporter.
7 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said:Mayfield is a coach killer. Killed off Jackson & Kitchens, now can't get along with his 3rd head coach.
Darnold may not have personality clashes but his play on the field kills coaches too.
There are a lot more coach killing QBs than coaches who ruin QBs.
Hue Jackson went 1-31 before Mayfield. So he killed himself with his inflated ego. Kitchens is the fault of John Dorsey. Hired him WAY before he was ever ready.
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5 minutes ago, Nitro said:
Respectfully disagree. The reason they are not making the playoffs are three fold: COVID, injuries to the QBs and injuries to the rest of the team. Now. Jackson is an easy decision to keep. Mayfield is injury prone and erratic. They either draft a future QB this year or resign him. You can not forget the franchise history. Before drafting Mayfield they went through over twenty QBs since 1999. The Browns will resign Mayfield. Both will get their money.
Cleveland isn't signing Mayfield to an extension this offseason, unless he signs a deal way under market value, which I doubt. He has had flashes of great play, but is erratic as well. He is an above average QB when healthy, but not a $40M a year guy. So there is a lot of variables here, with the injury and upcoming surgery being the biggest.
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51 minutes ago, Ross Murdock said:
The Bengals have been a bipolar team all year. Hot for two games, and embarrassing the next two. They were humiliated by the Jets. The just beat a Ravens team that had a used car salesmen at QB. That said, Baker Mayfield is nothing special at QB. Mayfield has a top notch O-Line protecting him, and two of the best RB's in the league, and he's still looking like an eventual journeyman at QB, who will end up as someone's back up QB. If the Ravens get Jackson back, they'll take the division.
If Cincinnati wins either of their last 2 games, it doesn't matter what Baltimore does.
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17 minutes ago, RJ (not THAT RJ) said:
Three straight passes after getting a first down near midfield with three time outs in hand. Terrible coaching.
You also have a rookie kicker in his first game who was shaky at best. You can't play for a 45 yard field goal.
Allen is better
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It was stupid. Passing on a franchise QB when you don't have one is stupid. And yes, most people didn't realize what Mahomes would become, and anyone team that passed on him without a franchise QB before the Bills did are also stupid.
And the Chiefs had Alex Smith at QB when they drafted Mahomes. I would never categorize Smith as elite, but he was a good QB at that point in his career. He had 26TDs and 5 INTs Mahomes' rookie year in 15 games.