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7 hours ago, thenorthremembers said:
Totally disagree. I think the scenario CBS outlined is already overpaying. In your scenario they would be giving Cleveland what amounts to enough value to move up to number #2.
I understand the spiel about it being a sellers market this year because of the quarterbacks, blah blah. In the scenario CBS outlined Buffalo is already over paying by a high second round value. In yours they are over paying by a 1st round value. 12, 53, and 65 is a much closer value.
Cleveland doesn't need quantity of picks. They have 5 of the first 64 picks. If they trade down, they better make whoever it is overpay. I don't drop from 4 to 12 without 12 and 22, and probably more, or at least 12, 53, and 1 next year.
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I loved The Last Kingdom on Netflix. Kind of the opposite side of Vikings on History. It's embellished like any show, but it pretty historically accurate overall. I really like the actor who plays Alfred. It's my favorite series on quite a while.
Just finished Longmire on Netflix. Pretty standard "cop" show but it was worth watching.
And Westworld on HBO. Awesome concept and great story. Season 2 is out in the next few weeks.
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5 hours ago, Limeaid said:
Browns are setting themselves to set up a trade for a first this year, a first next year and more picks.
Maybe at 4. They are drafting a QB at 1.
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2 hours ago, tannins said:
Bold move... Bills move up to #1 for #12, #22 and next year first round. Cleveland then swaps #4 #12 and #22 to Giants for #2 and Odell.
It would take 12, 22, 53, 56, and next year's 1st to start the conversation for #1.
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46 minutes ago, Zebrastripes said:
Well there are plenty of reports out there saying they are willing to move that pick.
There are quotes from Dorsey who has said they are willing to listen. It's his job to at least listen, but he can't pass on another franchise QB. If he trades out of 1 and ends up with the 4th QB, people will be calling for his job that day.
Cleveland has been looking for the franchise guy since Kosar. They have the chance to get him this year.
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1 hour ago, Lfod said:
Nobody ever talks about trading for the #1 pick from the Browns.
Because it isn't happening. Cleveland HAS to get the QB position right. No better way to do that than taking the best QB in the draft at 1. Trade down at 4 for the right offer.
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10 hours ago, Chuck Wagon said:
Jump in this Beane. We get #4, the Browns get ODB, the Giants get a ton of picks.
No way you straight up trade #4 for Beckham and then have to pay him $18 million. Cleveland would be dumb. They traded a 4th and 7th for Landry. He is worth more than that, but he is also due a new contract so the trade price goes down.
Beckham is a major headache, and he's hurt a lot.
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QB premium to trade up. No chance it doesn't include 12, 22, and more, or 12, a 2nd, and next year's 1st.
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1 hour ago, dbflaBill said:
its just a confusing signing. Kessler or Hogan could easily be the number 2. I agree itd be crazy for them to pass on a qb. But they have passed on wentz and watson two years in a row. Anything is possible.
Have you seen Kessler or Hogan play?
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Cleveland's backups are currently Cody Kessler and Kevin Hogan. Now it is Drew Stanton. Depth chart of Taylor, Stanton, Darnold ensures Darnold gets some time to develop. Darnold is better than Kessler and Hogan right now, and probably Stanton too, but this gives the option of not rushing him, plus gives a backup QB next year if Taylor is gone.
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2 hours ago, billsbackto81 said:
No they don't, they have quite a few. 1, 4, 33, 35, 114, 150, 175.
Has anyone looked at their roster lately? Allow me.
Taylor and Darnold at QB. Coleman, Landry, Gordon WRs. Crowell, Johnson and quite possibly Barkley at RB. Ogbah, Garrett, Nassib, Peppers, Gaines on Defense. Njoku at TE and Bitonio on the OL. I'm sure I'm missing some decent players. By the time its said and done they will be LOADED!! for the upcoming season. Will they do anything? Well they are the Browns.
They may have a similar turnaround like the Jags last season, maybe not as deep a run but I can see 7-8 wins.
Cleveland has #64 from Philadelphia too.
Crowell is gone but we signed Carlos Hyde.
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3 minutes ago, BadLandsMeanie said:
My recollection is that before the draft. Rodgers was expected to go very high. And I think I remember cameras on him watching him squirm as he "fell" down the board.
Do I have that wrong? It could be.
The debate that year was Rodgers or Smith at #1. When the 49ers took Smith, Rodgers fell. You are right, he wasn't expected to get out of the top 5 though.
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1 minute ago, Bobby Hooks said:
I agree with you 100%
but really now that I think of it if one team was dumb enough to screw it all up and make the worst choice for their franchise it would be the Browns, right?
If if I was a fan, and they didn’t take their guy I’d never watch another game.
Believe me, I've suffered through the last couple years. Take a QB at one, and be open at 4.
1 minute ago, Lfod said:Do you have a link to that quote? I never seen it. I believe you, just would like the link.
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2017/12/jimmy_haslam_says_john_dorseys.html
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Just now, Chuck Wagon said:
Haslam still own the team?
Haslam told Dorsey his #1 priority is to find THE QB. No GM is ever going to say they aren't open to a trade, but it would take the world. They can't afford to pass on another franchise guy.
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8 minutes ago, Lfod said:
I've been saying it since they traded Tyrod to the Browns and the Browns GM said he would listen to offers for the pick. I'm convinced #1 is in the bag.
The argument the Browns have to take a QB at #1 is weak. History is on my side. Browns have been trading out in the past. The Browns are good at losing and getting high picks and that's all they proven. They didn't win a single game last year and people think it's a well run football team just because they have #1 and #4.
You do know they swapped out the entire FO right? The previous FO probably would have a price to trade down from 1 because analytics say that is the best option, but football sense says without a QB it doesn't mean much.
I think they would be open at 4, but not at 1.
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My trade price as the Browns would be 12, 22, 53, 56, a 1st next year, and Tre'Davious White. Won't happen, but I'd consider it at least.
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7 hours ago, Reed83HOF said:
Buffalo Rumbling actually did a very nice job on this....
Projected trade 1
- Buffalo gets 4th overall pick
- Cleveland gets 12th overall, 53rd overall, 2019 first round pick
This represents the premium the New York Jets paid to get up to the 3rd spot and locks in with the Browns’ recent strategy of picking up an extra first rounder each year. It also leaves Buffalo with picks remaining for their next blockbuster trade.
Projected trade 2
- Buffalo gets 2nd overall pick
- Giants get 4th overall and 22 overall
Once again, this represents an overpayment and a premium price. The Giants get the player they covet anyway at 4th overall while picking up an extra first round pick. This is the easier of the two deals to pull off as the Giants are guaranteed one of the two players they were attempting to select.
No chance Cleveland drops out of contention for Barkley or Chubb for essentially 2 2nd rounders. The drop from 4 to 12 takes more than that, especially given the QB premium. The Jets gave up more to move up 2 spots.
My ideal draft
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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You have Cleveland taking 1st and 2nd round safeties when they took a 1st round SS last year and traded for a FS this off-season.