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2 minutes ago, NewEra said:
We know you hope so. You’re entire nfl fandom for the next 10 years rests on goodells decision. MLB set the precedent with Bauer. Different cases. Different crimes. Watson should suspended for the 2023 season minimum.
I'm telling you, the texts released were from the same woman as described. There could be others that they haven't released, who knows. But what is listed and what is described via the testimony is about the same woman.
I've said before, I didn't want to trade for Watson. Huge gamble obviously, They did, and as fans we live with it.
Also, quit comparing Bauer and Watson. If Watson is guilty, he deserves whatever punishment he gets, but Bauer allegedly violently assaulted/choked/sodomized a woman. Both are crimes, but they aren't the same crime. The Bauer case also has photo and text evidence, though the texts I saw were really confusing.
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On 5/17/2022 at 9:19 PM, HappyDays said:
There were also leaked text messages of him apologizing to one of the women for making them feel uncomfortable. He ended that text by saying "let me know if you want to work in the future." The dude is a serial predator. Hopefully the NFL punishes him as such.
It was the same woman.
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On 5/16/2022 at 2:53 PM, GunnerBill said:
Yea its $10m cap hit but only $1m base salary. Its by far the smallest hit on the deal. Done that way almost certainly for suspension reasons.
They've actually done that with all of the big contracts (Garrett, Chubb, Ward) recently, not just Watson.
8 hours ago, eball said:Yet another reason why it’s so unseemly. The sheer arrogance of structuring a deal in anticipation of a suspension for abusing women…it’s repulsive.
To be fair, they've done the exact same with Ward, Chubb, Garrett, etc. as well.
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7 hours ago, H2o said:
This is karma for the Brock Osweiler trade they made with the Texans a few years back. Houston was looking to unload salary, and Osweiler. The Browns fleeced them out of a 2nd Round and 6th Round pick for Osweiler, while only giving up a 4th. They will have to do the same to get rid of Mayfield if they really want to unload him. Or they can just hold onto him this year. Up to them, but it seems they are trying everything they can to keep him from ending up somewhere he actually wants to be.
The main difference there is Osweiler had 3 years, and I believe like $28m guaranteed left on his contract. Mayfield has 1 year.
I could honestly see Cleveland keeping him at this point with no intention on playing him at all. He would likely get signed as a starter next offseason for some QB desperate team, and given that Cleveland's front office is heavily analytics/draft pick driven, you take your comp pick and go. Especially if cutting him only saves vet minimum when someone else signs him.
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1 hour ago, Billy Claude said:
Hue Jackson claimed he was given bonuses for things like most snaps by rookies or having the youngest roster in the league. So the "independent" investigation can find that there were no specific decisions to incentivize losses without Jackson lying about the specific bonuses that he did receive.
Hue Jackson did nothing but blame everyone else for his problems, and the "incentivizing losses" comment was just another chance to try to clear his name. I honestly think that the Browns plan then was to stockpile draft capital and salary cap in a complete and total rebuild, and losing naturally comes with that most of the time. But I don't think the plan was to lose as many games as possible.
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3 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:
It's good for him to say this, and yes that should be the general philosophy. But it worries me if he really believes it and isnt willing to make the big move to get us over the top.
Sure, we want to be a perennial winner, but a Super Bowl victory followed by a 9-8 year then a climb back to 12-5, is much better for Beane and McD's job security than going 13-4 and losing in the playoffs for the next 4 years.
IMO, if you are this close, you absolutely risk mortgaging a year or two of our future in order to bring home the Lombardi. Rams did it multiple ways last year, and it paid off.
The issue is if you do go all in and don't win, and then you still have a bad year after that. The "all in" strategy works occasionally, but it also falls on its face a whole lot more than not. Basically like anything else, it needs to be "all in" within reason.
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7 hours ago, Doc Brown said:
They did nothing to address WR though after trading Brown away. They got great value picks throughout but Bateman is now their #1 WR. They seem content on running the ball and relying on a strong defense. Just a strange way to build a roster in today's pass happy NFL.
Probably because Andrews is their #1 passing option. Dude had 1361 yards last year. They definitely need WR help, but with their run game, it greatly reduces the need for top flight WRs. The main thing is keeping Jackson healthy, which is tricky given his size and running.
I hate the Ravens, but they draft well and to their team identity.
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2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:
Im sorry. It’s very bad in my opinion. I hope it works out for you!
I mean, not saying he's a HoF player. But people on here were talking about taking a punter in the 4th. Kickers are WAY more important.
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1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said:
Good lord this Browns draft 😬🚮
Yeah, best kicker by far for a team with the worst kicker by far. And Winfrey earlier. Just terrible......
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36 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
This is Sean McDermott's franchise. I say it often. He is the one with the ultimate decision making power. He empowers Beane and trusts him but if he wanted to veto anything he has that ability.
This is an honest question. Does he have that power? Because roster decision making is written into contracts.
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1 minute ago, TheWeatherMan said:
Take Willis. Cheap backup QB option for 3 years have Josh groom him and trade for 2 #1’s his 4th year.
If the dude never plays, no one is giving up 2 1sts for him.
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8 hours ago, Baba Booey said:
And three inches shorter. Height and arm length. Small corner!!!!
Right, Elam is tall for a corner. That doesn't make McDuffie small. I don't understand people trying to trash another player just because someone else drafted him. McDuffie played outside his entire college career, but suddenly he is a slot only corner. He played 12 snaps at slot last year, while 593 on the outside. Who knows if Buffalo would have drafted him, but he was generally regarded as a better prospect than Elam. Who has the better career has a million other factors involved.
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9 minutes ago, Baba Booey said:
Dude is tiny. Not a NFL corner. Slot at best. My daughter has longer arms that this cat!!
He's literally 1 pound lighter than the Bills pick. And 5'11 for a corner isn't tiny.
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Just now, DJB said:
NFL network showed we now own 23 and 25!
I think they just didn't swap 25 to Baltimore in that shot.
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I feel like Walker will be a bust. Dude was a mid to late first rounder who had a good combine. Suddenly he's the first pick in the draft.
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6 minutes ago, Aurelius said:
Jim Brown every day of the week on offense. The guy could do everything.
As much as I like LT, he’d suck in coverage. Ray Lewis on defense.
Also, when Jim Brown played, he was 220 and the lineman were 240s, so it wouldn't be farfetched at all.
Defense I'm going Myles Garrett.
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Just now, Not at the table Karlos said:
How else would you explain someone running out of gas.
A lot of people just plain don't pay attention. Running late or in a car they don't normally drive and just forget.
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13 minutes ago, Motor26 said:
This is starting to get irritating seeing NFL players do this if it is indeed contract related. You signed a contract, why should you be able to try and change the terms of the contract that YOU signed by holding out? If you think you’ll be worth more in a few years, negotiate a contract for less years. Anyone in the real world who signs a contract has to live up to it or they get fired. I get it’s different but the sense of entitlement these guys have is annoying.
Well, the teams sign the contact too, and they can cut the player at any time, so that one goes both ways.
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2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:
He is such a great story. Never left Ohio. Drafted 4th overall and lived up to it in his hometown, which is a ton of pressure. He’s a really good kid and deserves the bag, as we know its a premium position and he’s the latest to be paid so he’s going to the top of the pile, doesn’t matter whether he’s the best in the league or not.
His only issue is he tends to miss a few games a year with injuries. He is a bit leaner than you'd like, but his play on the field is near the top of the league.
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40 minutes ago, Sheneneh Jenkins said:
I'm not saying he is or isn't but just curious how you know this to be fact? If they did happen to tank then they sure didn't make much use of it
The dude talked out both sides of his mouth the entire time in Cleveland. Never took blame for anything. Said he was offered money to tank, then backtracked when he realized he could get in major trouble for it. "Pulled rank" as the head coach over stupid stuff.
Also, if they did tank, which I think is somewhat true depending on your definition, they ended up with Garrett, Ward, Mayfield (not worth the 1st pick obviously), Chubb, with Ward and Chubb being from acquired picks, and Chubb being the free pick from the Osweiler trade.
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13 hours ago, ALF said:
Hue Jackson's claims Browns incentivized him to lose spark inquiry
Jackson first made the claims on Twitter. He wrote Haslam was "was happy while we kept losing," and while it may not have been $100,000 he was offered to lose, Jackson assured followers, "Trust me it was a good number."
Jackson, who is now the head coach at Grambling State University, told ESPN in February there was money to be made for hitting certain milestones, like attaining a certain number of draft picks and being the youngest team in the league.
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/incentivized-tanking-allegations-nfl-inquiry-browns
Jackson made these statements, and then a couple weeks he had backed off the statements:
Jackson tweeted in February that Browns owner Jimmy Haslam offered him "a good number" to lose games, though the team labeled the claim "completely fabricated." Jackson's accusation came shortly after former Miami Dolphins coach Brian Flores filed a discrimination lawsuit, which included an allegation that Dolphins owner Stephen Ross offered him $100,000 per loss in 2019.
The former Browns head coach later walked back his accusation, noting he "was never offered money like Brian (Flores) had mentioned." He added that the two situations were "totally different" yet had "some similarities."
I'm not saying it's not possible, but I know for a fact that Hue Jackson is a scumbag.
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19 hours ago, LeGOATski said:
This is so Browns.
The most yards any WR had against Ward last year was 50, and that's Davante Adams.
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11 hours ago, GunnerBill said:
Overpay. He is good. He isn't a top 6 or 7 corner though. More like in that 8-15 range.
Who is your top 7 then?
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14 hours ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:
People sue for all sorts of things.
I you were screwed out of $500kwhat would you do?
He had no intent to retire, it was a ruse.
His actions led to the auction of a ball that he knew probably wasn’t his last TD.
(It may turn out that way, if he gets a serious injury in camp or PS.)
Who had the ball before the auction?
The NFL?
The guy who caught the ball?
Brady himself?
I think it was Mike Evans, he handed it to a guy in the stands.
Either way, Brady didn't screw the guy, and in the end, no one did. But Brady personally had zero to do with any of it.
Deshaun Watson admits under oath that Ashley Solis cried at the end of the massage
in The Stadium Wall
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Where does that end though? Watson probably will be suspended, but a grand jury elected not to pursue charges. These are purely civil cases at this point. Literally anyone can file civil suits for almost any reason because the burden of proof is MUCH lower. So how can you suspend someone indefinitely for something they weren't charged for, and in which the civil trials aren't even set up yet?
I've been saying the entire time that if he was criminally guilty he should be out of the league and from everything I've seen it's likely hes going to get suspended at least some either way.