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I would gladly take him if Baltimore is really considering it but I'm skeptical that's the case. I do think Bateman is pretty good though and would likely be our best WR.

I mean, yeah, a well thrown ball helps any WR. That's not unique to Coleman. Having a size/athleticism mismatch and then throwing a ball that negates that mismatch is bad.

I don't think a fade to Coleman should be the primary read, but if nobody else is open and Coleman is 1 on 1, I would probably rather take my chances throwing a jump ball to him than forcing the ball to a smaller well-covered WR. For whatever reason, most times when we've tried to do this, Josh ends up throwing it low into Coleman's chest instead of giving Coleman a chance to play to his strengths. Just seems like the chemistry isn't there in Year 2, which is pretty concerning. The other issue is with our current roster, he basically has to lead the WRs in snaps by default. We have 3 guys capable of lining up out wide, 1 of whom is even less proven/promising than Coleman. So unless we're in a 1 WR set, chances are he's going to be on the field. Can't really take him off the field unless we get a new WR (which may just be Gabe at some point). Building a WR room around a young, raw kid with no alternative to him is just a failure on Beane's part.

I would tend to agree and think this is compounded by the fact that those back shoulder throws are almost always thrown at his chest/low. His best trait is his leaping ability and body control in the air and we almost never give him an opportunity to use it.

I wouldn't really say he's being treated as a #1. He's 55th in the league in targets and tied with Palmer for 3rd on the team in targets/snap. Shakir and Kincaid are our main targets on a per snap basis as they should be; Coleman just plays more snaps because he's a better blocker/has no competition out wide.

Was going to make the same point. The Knicks' main issue is they likely don't have a good enough star to win a title but they've sold out trying to put strong enough pieces around him. Bills are the opposite. They have the star but have struggled to put good pieces around him.

Yeah, credit to Detroit's defense stepping up and making some plays but this is maybe the worst Baker has played as a Buccaneer. It's mostly just boiled down to him being very inaccurate tonight.

My best guess is that NY corrected the spot of the ball and the refs basically said as a result, there's nothing for Detroit to challenge. They basically just wasted all our time for nothing.

Horton has been one of my guys for the last two years too. I admittedly do not think I have as good an eye for receivers as I do QBs though lol.

I thought the two stats below were pretty interesting: Even over the past three weeks when our offense has fallen off, we're #2 in the league in success rate. Just hasn't translated into points due to the turnover regression. Despite our defensive woes this season, we're #2 in the league in generating pressure on the QB. It's just that any time we don't get pressure on the QB, we're getting absolutely gashed.

I would have liked to double dip in 2024 (though the guys I really wanted to double dip with were Troy Franklin and Javon Baker and I think he's already out of the NFL at the moment; he was on Philly's practice squad for a minute but I think got dropped). Realistically, let's say we double dip somewhere in the 3rd-6th rounds. The guys that went in that range are: Malachi Corley - cut Jermaine Burton - 0 snaps this year Roman Wilson - Playing around 10% snaps on a WR needy Steelers team Jalen McMillan - hasn't played yet this season, didn't really do anything until guys ahead of him got hurt and he'll be returning to a WR4 or WR5 role Luke McCaffrey - playing almost 40% snaps this season, starting to pop a little Troy Franklin - starter and drawing targets but incredibly unproductive Javon Baker - cut Tez Walker - 50/50 chance he plays 0 snaps in a given game this season Jacob Cowing - been out due to injury the whole year Anthony Gould - has played a couple snaps Ainias Smith - cut Jamari Thrash - playing 30-40% of snaps for inept Cleveland offense Bub Means - out for the year Jha'Quan Jackson - cut Malik Washington - starter for the Dolphins Johnny Wilson - out for the year Casey Washington - has played decent amount of snaps for Atlanta Tejhuan Palmer - 0 snaps this year Jordan Whittington - starter for the Rams Ryan Flournoy - had that one game Again, would have loved to double dip, but the likelihood that would have saved us is 0%. Of the 20 guys that went in that range, you're talking about 5 or 6 that appear to be playable depth pieces and no difference makers thus far. The real issue is we made a fairly significant trade for Cooper, took Coleman just outside the 1st round, and signed Curtis Samuel and Josh Palmer to fairly significant contracts (not huge but they were our biggest free agent signings of the last two offseasons) and none of those shots have panned out for us so far.

The results to this poll are absolutely insane lol

Jennings would be a hilarious outcome for the "we're missing a speed element" folks. He might be the slowest WR in the NFL (good player though).

I guess I'm just not sure why the Raiders would trade their young WR who seems to be kinda blossoming this season unless we overpay of course.

MVS himself is a free agent if I remember right too isn't he? Or did he catch on somewhere after Seattle cut him? Also wouldn't be surprised if the "solution" is simply for Gabe to get healthy and come back as our vertical spacing guy.