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I don't think Meyers would be a good use of resources and I think we can probably get someone that offers more value to us for less cost. But Meyers would at least be an upgrade. Just think there's some diminishing returns with him.

Would probably need to add a 1st round pick before Jacksonville actually considers it.

Elam was a 1st round pick and single-handedly blew up our defense any time the team was forced to put him on the field. Coleman is not in the same stratosphere as Elam. I mean, seriously, other WRs that were taken in the same range as Coleman in Coleman's draft were already traded for nothing lol. If Coleman went down as Beane's worst pick, he'd be the best GM in the league.

Not sure I'm following. You're saying guys that are schemed open a lot more are less likely to put up yards vs. someone that has to get open on his own?

Yep, think I've said it once or twice on this board already, but I liked Coleman as a prospect but did not at all understand the idea behind him being essentially our only option in the X role without any competition/depth as he hopefully develops.

I would agree with you on the Jaguars talent, but Thomas has been probably the worst WR in the league so far this season and the rest of the group has been mostly bad too. I'd still take them moving forwards, but the Bills WRs have been better than them so far this season. Giants I am not including Nabers since he's out for the year, but yeah, if you do include him, they're obviously a lot better than our group. Tet is a promising rookie; would love to have him on our team. Coleman has been better than Legette thus far in their respective careers and I don't think it's particularly close even though Legette is like 2.5 years older. Coker had a promising rookie year; I just want to wait a few weeks and see how he's looking as he gets back up to speed. He hasn't really played yet this season due to his injuries.

In terms of talent or their actual play? Because, for example, the Jaguars WRs are much more talented but I think they have been by far the worst in the league this season. Buffalo is definitely near the bottom (though we have a good OL, good TEs, and good RBs around Josh so it's not like he's actually surrounded with nothing). Other teams near the bottom IMO: Jets (after Wilson they basically have nobody playable, but Wilson is obviously very good) Cleveland (Jeudy is okay but it's horrible after him) Houston (Similar theme, it's Nico and then a bunch of rookies/Christian Kirk, none of whom have been able to really do anything yet) Tennessee (Ridley and a bunch of underwhelming rookies) Las Vegas (Meyers and a bunch of underwhelming rookies/sophomores) Giants (Slayton would be a nice pickup for us but he's maybe their #1 right now?) Carolina (Tet is a promising rookie and Coker is still getting back up to speed but their WR room is essentially all untapped potential right now) I would say that right now (including Palmer for us), we are better than Jacksonville, Cleveland, Tennessee, Las Vegas, Giants, and Carolina). I'd probably rather have the Jets or Houston's WRs because they have a good #1 and we could potentially acquire reinforcements around them.

He's also been injured most of the season and Geno Smith's play has regressed a metric ton this season.

I'm not going to argue that Coleman is good, but I will point out that his yards per route run is fine, and specifically against man coverage he's been a lot better than Shakir this season (in fact, Coleman's YPRR against man coverage both as a rookie and sophomore is higher than Shakir's in 2 of his 3 seasons). Maybe the lack of separation is viewed as a better indicator of future production than the actual production is, but you could argue that Coleman's YPRR with terrible separation is actually kind of promising lol (or alternatively is just a fluke and his YPRR will start to crumble).

Tweet is misleading. Fowler doesn't actually say that the Bills are pursuing Meyers. Just says teams believe the Bills are in the market for a WR and Meyers appears to be the most likely WR to be traded.

Obviously our wide outs (as in the boundary receivers) are not good, but I'd also argue they aren't really any worse than they were last season when Josh won MVP and our offense was incredible. A big difference between last year and this year has seemed to be that Brady and Josh just haven't been as good diagnosing things pre-snap this season. It felt like last season, we consistently ID'd the defense and got into plays that schematically work even if the talent on the field isn't particularly great. Whereas this season, we've gotten tricked a ton with our protections, particularly against those really wide defensive fronts that New England and especially Atlanta utilized heavily. When we ID this stuff correctly, our OL has been great, but there's been a lot of times this season where we haven't been on our A game and then pass rushers start leaking through untouched. Beyond that, it has felt like a ton more examples this season of defenses disguising their coverages and catching Josh completely off guard and the plays that we're running are meant for a different type of coverage so on top of our WRs not being good at winning even when it's the right environment, we're also running plays that would make it difficult for good WRs to get open too. I had hoped this would be cleaned up during the bye week, but for whatever reason, it seems like Brady and Josh are still having issues and our lackluster WRs only exacerbate the issue.

Yeah, I think that's all fair. Like I said, think everyone agrees we pretty desperately need an upgrade, but also think this play was mostly just stymied up no matter what. Tons of other examples that can be used of our WRs just struggling even within good play calls though.

Yeah I think a lot of folks are either using game manager to mean "QB that plays within structure" or they're just not really arguing in good faith. Do people think he won MVP last season while playing as a game manager or do they instead think that after he won MVP, our coaching staff was like "Woah, we can't have that moving forwards."

I think probably literally every Bills fan understands we need an upgrade for our current boundary receivers (especially with Palmer out where it's now basically just Coleman). Not really sure the play Joe is specifically talking about is really the issue though; that one felt more like (1) the wrong play for the coverage we ultimately got and (2) simply a good job on defense. Felt like we just didn't get the defense we were expecting. If you want to say the issue is more that nobody was able to get open during the scramble drill, then yeah, that's not good either, but I don't think an upgrade at WR is getting open within the structure of that play either. It was just dead the moment the ball was snapped.

Maye had probably the best deep ball of all the QB's I've scouted dating back to the Mahomes class. Obviously still very early in his NFL career but not at all surprised that the deep ball has translated the way it has.