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That is a pretty cynical view about the media, but I don't doubt that to be the case on some instances. From my perspective, I'd like to think this trial is, or could be, about something bigger. I talked to a cop last week while I was on a job, and he said he thinks cops are the biggest villains right now because of a few bad apples ruining it for all of them. My reaction was that if the good cops started policing their own and got the small number of sociopaths out of the force as soon as possible rather than remaining silent, it would be in everyones best interest. There's been way too many instances of good cops getting thrown off the force for calling out vile behavior of the bad apples. That needs to change, and if anything positive comes from this trial my hope is that it becomes OK for cops to speak out against the worst violent offenders in their own departments.

I think several right wing commentators are guilty of what they are accusing the left leaning media of doing. They seem to be focusing exclusively on the defense's arguments and ignoring the plethora of expert witnesses the prosecution has used to counter. Which leads me to conclude they are rooting for an acquittal. They would get to preen about how stupid the lame stream media is, and when riots break out, they'll get to assume their favorite position as they stand in condemnation of the evil left wing mob. I don't buy for a second that any of them are just trying to be fair and objective, and just "calling it as they see it." You really have to twist your mind to the position that it is legal and safe to kneel on someone's neck, let along for nearly 10 minutes, and that continuing to kneel on someone's neck after they go unresponsive and die is the fault of the person being kneeled on. That's why I called it sadism. Both what Chauvin did, and the people who appear to be rooting for his acquittal.

For sure. There was one morning around 4am late last season where an unnamed Bills player filmed his whole ride down the 90 in the middle of blizzard conditions. As a fan, I was terrified at what he was possible still doing up that late a few days before a game. But he was heading into the office early l, showing everyone on his Instagram account how crazy the Buffalo weather is. Driving while hand holding your phone to live stream is a no no... That got taken down a few hours later, and I'm sure someone monitoring the social media made it happen.

You, Jack Posobiec, Ben Shapiro, you're all wacking your small penises publicly in hopes of an aquital. ***** you. Anyone who watched the medical examiner's testimony that Posobiec posted and concluded that Floyd died due to his medical condition and not the stress of physical constraint, air and neck constriction, is a sadistic *****. Again, ***** you.

Your circle jerk is sickening.

You were right about a movie reference. Wrong John though:

Tonga, Tonga, Tonga!

Exactly! I'm high on Alim, but think there's a small chance we go DT in the first 3 rounds. I think I like Tonga best of all the late rounds NT prospects.

wow!

I think the upside of taking a very fast / under sized OLB to play Big Nickel is that they also double as LB depth in case of injury.

That's fine. I think we're talking past each other. Perhaps you mean he should be blamed, as there is no way for a dead person to take responsibility or be held accountable after they are dead.

People actually can't be accountable for their actions after they're dead. Because they're dead. What George Floyd did leading up to his death doesn't in anyway, shape or form justify what Chauvin did to him. And Chauvin will be held accountable for his actions.

How long can you live without breathing? The right to breath has nothing to do with being held accountable for past actions.

In the case of a person who gets enraged, in a crime of passion, the point is that they weren't able to think it through because of the rage ect. I think the main point of premeditation is thinking the action through. Chauvin had 6.5 minutes to think through his actions before Floyd had no pulse. Then continued after his heart stopped beating. I think this would be a good example: A draw bridge operator goes about his business of raising and lowering a draw bridge. They make an announcement that the bridge is closing some kids climb into a restricted area. If the draw bridge operator is never alerted to the fact that kids crossed the line, and they are killed when the bridge closes, there's probably no crime unless there was some negligence. Perhaps not checking a warning light he was supposed to check would make it manslaughter if the light would have alerted him to the presence of people in the area where the lowering bridge would kill them. Now if the operator knows that kids just crossed the line flips out and slams the bridge closed in a fit of rage, it would probably fit Minnesota's Manslaughter 1 or Murder 3 bc he acted in a depraved state of mind... crime of passion, rage... Here's where it could fit Murder 1. If the warning light goes off, alerting him to the presence of people in the danger zone, he notices it and continues to lower the bridge. A minute or two later when the bridge is approaching the moment of no return, his coworkers radio in to stop the bridge immediately or it will kill people, he has the time in a sane mind to think through what will happen. If he choses to not stop the bridge, has he "premeditated," in terms of thought through his actions? I think the minimal definition of "thinking through the consequences" applies in premeditation, and he could be convicted of Murder 1. I think this applies in Chauvin's case when 1. Floyd becomes non-responsive and the pressure is continued, then 2. the other officer finds no pulse and Chauvin continues to apply pressure to the neck and refuses CPR. If Chauvin had removed his knee when Floyd became non-responsive and Floyd went on to die due to lack of oxygen, that could be the lower manslaughter 2 because he was clearly subdued, handcuffed behind his back and the knee to the neck “creates an unreasonable risk, and consciously takes chances of causing death or great bodily harm to another.” The fact that he continued after it appears Floyd loses consciousness and then has no pulse means Chauvin is a sick sick person and is guilty of at least Murder 2. But you have to ask, what did he think was going to happen when he continues to knee on the man's neck for 2.5 minutes after he has no pulse? It really does not appear that he has any sense of the inherent value of the life of Georg Floyd.

Not sure about Newt's criminal law history... Yes, planned in advanced is always premeditated. But premeditation strictly only requires "that the defendant think out the act, no matter how quickly, it can be as simple deciding to pick up a hammer that is lying nearby and to use it as a weapon." Now in the case of a person picking up a hammer and striking someone, was it in the heat of the moment? Or were they calm, cool and collected? They either reacted out of passion or thought it through. If Chauvin knows he has no pulse, is not in a depraved state of mind, and thinks through to the conclusion of not providing CPR and removing his knee, then the 2.5 minutes he continues to kneel after learning there is no pulse could be considered premeditated.

I heard Newt Gingrich of all people explain that premeditation does not have to be done days or even hours before hand. But the premeditated aspect could be conducted in the process, if there's enough time to recognize that the action will lead to death, and a choice is then made to continue with the action. So when Chauvin learns that Floyd has no pulse, his choice to continue kneeling on the neck is made knowing that it could very well end in his death. You could also make the case for Murder 2 or 3. And the difference really comes down to Chauvin's state of mind. His actions could very well be indicative of Murder 3, that he was mentally depraved... He allegedly threatened the off duty fire fighter who offered to provide CPR. I need to hear what he actually said and how he said it to see if he sounded out of his mind. See above

Chauvin continued to knee on his neck for almost 3 minutes after his fellow officer could not find a pulse. Given that revelation, murder 1 is in play for the premeditated choice not to remove pressure from his neck and administer CPR.

Sure it does, George Floyd was dying of a drug overdose, and Chauvin was just providing medical assistance until the paramedics arrived.

What about Jabril Cox?

"Chauvin had been certified to perform CPR, and Minneapolis Officer Nicole Mackenzie, who trains members of the force in medical care, testified Tuesday that department policy required him to start aid before paramedics arrived, if possible. Officers kept restraining Floyd — with Chauvin kneeling on his neck, another kneeling on Floyd’s back and a third holding his feet — until the ambulance got there, even after he became unresponsive, according to testimony and video footage. The officers also rebuffed offers of help from an off-duty Minneapolis firefighter who wanted to administer aid or tell officers how to do it." The failure to administer, and denial of CPR after the loss of conciseness is Voluntary Manslaughter at the minimum.

In PFF's mock draft simulator I was able to deal 30 & 61 for #4. Then trade 4 for 7, 41, 72 and the Lions next year's 1. Fun times!

I have a few under the radar guys who could be steals in round 5 and beyond. Simi Fehoko WR, Stanford. 6'4", 222lbs. 4.37 40. Similar college production as DK Metcalf. None of the draft hype. He's a legit deep threat and a big possession receiver. Deon Jackson, RB, Duke. 5' 11", 220 lbs. 4.39 40. Good power back, good hands. Has the speed to get outside. One cut north / south runner. Kyrsis Tonga, NT, BYU. Big powerful 1 tech. Can penetrate one on one, but will occupy double teams to keep lineman off of our LBs.

He's just a hair under 6'. He's basically the same size as Diggs. I think he looks like he's 5' 9" cause he plays with a lot of bend.

Rashed is basically the same size as Jerry Hughes and Mario Addison.

The misnomer about RB's being a dime a dozen is that you can find one in the late rounds. There is absolutely no guarantee that you will... But this guy, with a name like Deon Jackson. I'm just saying.