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    Prediction: Nathan Peterman Bills Starting QB Wk. 1 vs. Ravens

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    10 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

     

     

     

    This is a dullard's argument. I was pointing out that the first few games of a rookie's career can be awful without it proving he will be awful. Simply that. 

     

    As expected of you, yet again, your first instinct is to throw up the straw man argument and pretend I was saying something I simply didn't say. Typical. I wasn't leaping anywhere. Wasn't even comparing the two as anyone reading the post without a massive ax to grind would have noticed. I was comparing their first four games. Nothing more. And I was comparing them because ...  they're comparable.

     

    But since you started the comparisons, OK. You point out that Manning was the "1st overall pick with both physical and mental talent regarded as the most can't-miss prospect in a decade..." So ... what, that's supposed to mean it's OK? Makes it more forgiveable that he was a can't miss #1 overall pick while Peterman came out of Pittsburgh? It doesn't. They were both rookies extremely early in their careers making rookie mistakes. Thanks for making my point for me, that even some guys with much higher expectations look awful in their first four games.

     

    And as for how horrible the Colts were, it was their defense that was awful. Their offense was actually OK despite Manning's ending the season with 26 TDs and 28 INTs and a 71.2 passer rating. The Colts were the 12th ranked offense in the league, actually. 12th in yards and 19th in scoring, which is slightly better than the 2017 Bills offense managed. In Peyton's rookie year, the Colts had Marshall Faulk and Marvin Harrison. And Manning still struggled badly.

     

    I was pointing out that the first three to four games of a rookie's career often means dick. And I did so successfully, which wasn't difficult because it should be obvious to anyone. 

     

    But if you must go there and directly compare their first games, fine, let's do it. You claim that I pointed out that Manning had a game where he threw 1 TD and 3 INT. But as I clearly pointed out, it was a great deal worse than that for Peyton.

     

    Peterman's first four games: 2 TDs and 5 INTs

    Manning's first four games: 3 TDs and 11 INTs

     

    Rookies often suck in their early rookie appearances. Sometimes because they'll never be good enough. But anyone assuming that early suckage proves the guy will never make it is simply making a dumb mistake. Sometimes guys suck as rookies because playing in the NFL, especially at QB, is really really hard and they need time to learn.

     

    And sure, I'll be anxious if Peterman starts. Did I say anywhere I'd be filled with total confidence? Anxious but a bit excited. Same with the other two. We haven't got a proven solid QB. Haven't had one since Bledsoe. Why wouldn't anyone be nervous no matter who starts at QB this year? If Peterman starts it'll be because he won the competition against a guy who's at least been solid when he had his chance in Cincy. So yeah, excited too.

     

    Best post of the 47 pages

    Joe B: 53 Man Roster Projection - Final

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    40 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

     

    What has Logan Thomas done to deserve a roster spot? Cutting Clay and keeping Thomas doesn’t make much sense.

     

    Clay hasn't done as mach as his salary demands. I wasn't saying Logan Thomas should start , that would be up to the coaches but i assume  O'leary would start. I just wanted more bang for our buck.

    Sporting News Ranks Sean McDermott Eighteenth Best Head Coach

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    3 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

    Maybe so but there is no reason for him to be behind Gruden, Lewis, Garrett and Mike McCarthy (off the top of my head). This list loves past accomplishments regardless of the coaches’ role. Is anyone impressed by Mike McCarthy?!? 

     

    I don't know how  McCarthy  survived his first two  years in G.B.. Possibly because  of Ted Thompso'ns expertise in drafting . Thompson isn't there anymore , and it shows.The  success of Aaron Rodgers is probably how he survived.

    Joe B: 53 Man Roster Projection - Final

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    4 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

     

    No WR is a lock other than Benjamin.  Clay cut?   The release of Clay simply will not happen as he's their best TE by far and it makes no sense from a cap perspective. 

     

     

    We will see on Dupree , I guess i have some Belichek in me as far as Clay goes, His knees are questionable . I said to cut/trade him. 

    Prediction: Nathan Peterman Bills Starting QB Wk. 1 vs. Ravens

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    4 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

    I keep asking (and no one is answering), how much of Jeff Tuel did you need to see to form an opinion? Do you think he deserved more chances? He was WAY better in his opportunity than Peterman. Why was it okay to write off Tuel but not Peterman? What about Levi Brown? Gibran Hamdan? Brian Brohm?

     

    I liked Jeff Tuel and thought that he was a decent  QB  but the powers that be  decided that he was  not, Brown ,Hamdan, and Brohm, not so much. There is the possibility that the " Braintrust"  was wrong in their dismissal of Tuel or they were spot on. That said, The Braintrust has continued to support Peterman , there are many factors in his favor as Beane said. Methinks that you are grasping at straws trying to  justify your position. 

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    Prediction: Nathan Peterman Bills Starting QB Wk. 1 vs. Ravens

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    3 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

    Fair but 29 preseason pass attempts is a small sample size for a guy with 30 regular season starts. 

    Hope that he plays great...what else would we want?

     

    HOPING that he will be great and THINKING that he will aren’t the same. I think that he stinks. I hope that he goes to the HOF and wins Super Bowls as the Bills QB.

     

    So you think he stinks , that is your right but you are going against  some football people  that i would surmise know a hell of a lot more about football than you , The coaches of the Bills for instance.

    Prediction: Nathan Peterman Bills Starting QB Wk. 1 vs. Ravens

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    I guess I knew when I reminded the Tyrod " troops " of a n explanation for Peterman's ineptness  that they came on as they usually do. I am not a Tyrod hater , I only got frustrated with him after three years without progressing. I am not a Peterman " lover "either  but i get sick of the continual bashing that went on and still goes on with the same old drivel. Peterman will probably start in the season opener and will continue as our  QB until Allen is ready. That  said , what are the Peterman Bashers and Hater going to do if McDermott starts him in Baltimore, .?

    Prediction: Nathan Peterman Bills Starting QB Wk. 1 vs. Ravens

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    1 hour ago, SouthNYfan said:

     

    Yeah he prob would have hit 8 ints.

    There is a bunch of chatter that some of the oline purpose of let pass rush through on purpose as a protest of the Tyrod benching.

    Honestly no way to prove it without a direct admission, but some of those "blocks" looked pretty suspect.

    Anyway, Nate had a all time bad game.

    I think I'm not going to write him off on such a small sample size, just like I'm not willing to anoint deshaun Watson all time great after a few games.

     

    I just saw this article:

     

    https://articles.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/index.ssf/2018/06/buffalo_bills_qb_nathan_peterman_is_terrible_at_football_says_adam_schein.amp

     

     

    My fave part:

     

    "I could not believe my eyes this weekend when I saw a report that Nathan Peterman--yeah, Nathan Peterman--who threw five interceptions in the first half of his first NFL start (was) still in the mix to win the Bills' starting quarterback job. Wait, what? I mean, first of all, Mike Rodak, who had this story, is a superb reporter. I have a better chance to start in Week 1 for the Buffalo Bills than Nathan Peterman. It's not going to happen. Mainly because Nathan Peterman is terrible at football."

     

    I mean he called Rodak a "superb reporter"

    I think we can agree that invalidates the rest of his opinions ??

    1 hour ago, SouthNYfan said:

     

    locks" lookedHonestly no way to prove it without a direct admission, but some of those "b pretty suspect.

    Anyway, Nate had a all time bad game.

    I think I'm not going to write him off on such a small sample size, just like I'm not willing to anoint deshaun Watson all time great after a few games.

     

    I just saw this article:

     

    https://articles.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/index.ssf/2018/06/buffalo_bills_qb_nathan_peterman_is_terrible_at_football_says_adam_schein.amp

     

     

    My fave part:

     

    "I could not believe my eyes this weekend when I saw a report that Nathan Peterman--yeah, Nathan Peterman--who threw five interceptions in the first half of his first NFL start (was) still in the mix to win the Bills' starting quarterback job. Wait, what? I mean, first of all, Mike Rodak, who had this story, is a superb reporter. I have a better chance to start in Week 1 for the Buffalo Bills than Nathan Peterman. It's not going to happen. Mainly because Nathan Peterman is terrible at football."

     

    I mean he called Rodak a "superb reporter"

    I think we can agree that invalidates the rest of his opinions ??

     

    There was reporting after the  game that Joey  Bosa  said  " They didn't bock me " more than once  , which he found amazing. IIt also was reported that it had to do with Tyrod's demotion.. It was not a "popular " thing to the Tryod fans who quickly glommed onto the 5 interception fiasco and didn't want to hear any justification for Peterman as that would have been counter-productive to their mission to vilify Peterman. 

    Shady on Allen in Sporting News

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    15 minutes ago, Ennjay said:

    I worry about the progress of the O line.  If these guys can't pass block, there's no reason for Allen to be the QB who gets sacrificed.  Look at what happened to David Carr.

     

     

    look what happened to Peterman in the Chargers game  when the O'line was OLE' ING  the rushers.

     

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    Prediction: Nathan Peterman Bills Starting QB Wk. 1 vs. Ravens

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    3 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

     

    He looked okay against 3rd and 4th stringers many who didn't make final rosters against vanilla defenses that we see in the preseason.  When he got in real games we saw exactly who he was as I stated before he played against the Chargers. My assessment was confirmed regardless of what you claim. 

     

    No mention of the the OL taking a few plays off, interesting

    Prediction: Nathan Peterman Bills Starting QB Wk. 1 vs. Ravens

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    11 minutes ago, Lfod said:

    That and always admit that I was an advocate to see it happen. Wanting something to happen and getting your way makes you feel like a bigger part. So in a strange way I own it like I made the choice.

     

    It would feel a lot different if the Bills beat the Jaguars. I would have felt really stupid that Tyrod got benched. I would have a different tone then I do now. 

     

    Are you a Bills fan >

    Prediction: Nathan Peterman Bills Starting QB Wk. 1 vs. Ravens

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    I sometimes wonder that " IF " the O'line took a " FEW " plays off , which has been reported , that obviously Peterman suffered for it but McD did not allude to it although it was fairly obvious. It may have something to do with his apologizing  to the team and let sleeping dogs lie. Peterman suffered for it peripherally because of reputation in the public arena and the trolls who wanted TT , no matter that he was going to be gone at the end of the year. Peterman did not suffer with the coach or  GM because they knew what was in play. The linemen  may or may not  have apologized to McD for their transgressions if in fact the "he didn't block me " are true . I would assume that they did in the realm of wanting to be employed.

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