Wily Dog
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7 hours ago, JohnC said:
Few people believe that McCarron or Peterman are franchise qbs. That discussion needs to be placed in the garbage can in the front of the house that will soon be picked up by the noisy and stinking garbage truck. That's not what the McCarron vs Peterman discussion is really about. It is about which one of these two earnest game managers will be the starting qb when the season begins until Josh Allen is ready to play as a starter. As a fan the more intriguing issue is how many games will be played before the HC crosses the rubicon and puts in the strapping rookie qb. As far as I am concerned both McCarron and Peterman would be acceptable backups. Which one would be preferred? I don't give a dam!
This qb scenario is the standard highly drafted qb scenario that takes place almost every year. What makes this issue more compelling than usual is that four teams (Cleveland, NY Jets and Arizona) are undergoing the same situation this year.
Kirby, you hear the word Peterman and it triggers a visceral reaction from you. Let it go! Whenever I mention Logan Thomas to Gunner it also triggers a spleen busting reaction from him. Don't worry about what is happening in the distant perimeter. The real issue is all about Josh Allen and where he is at. Everything else about the qb issue is a side issue.
Kirby and Gunner Bill have the the over- riding opinion that they are right. nothing is going to change that. It is primarily EGO. IF Peterman wins the QB " battle " they will be apoplectic. WHY , , as John C. says who cares , it is all about Allen. Ego will not let people who are wrong , admit it . I don't care if I am wrong about Peterman but would like to see him become a successful backup for the Bills , a Reich to Allen. They are intellectually both on the high end and the difference is the God given body that Allen has.
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I believe Peterman will start. He has been the best between AJM and him . no wonder AJM couldn't beat out Dalton at Cincy.
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I am at the persuasion that Peterman is going to be our starter if it isn't Allen. He has shown more than AJM with his quicker release and less confusion and the ability to read the field more than AJM. AJN seems to be a reiteration of Captain Checkdown......
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11 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:
Do you think the only position McDermott is assessing is QB?
There seems to be this universal belief that our OL is going to suck and that belief is one of the main driving forces behind the reasoning as to why we shouldn't start Allen and I find it odd and a little humorous.
I've said many times if our OL is atrocious, Allen shouldn't start. However, I've also said many times I think our OL is going to be a helluva lot better than expected.
McDermott is going to have a level of comfort he needs with every player at every position in order to start him.
Do you think McDermott and Beane were just like, "oh well, we aren't happy with our OL, but we'll just deal with them sucking for the time-being"
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Could it be that McDermott and Beane--reliant on scouting within the team, throughout the NFL, and in college--are actually very happy with the OL roster they've assembled?
Unknown is not always bad...
Actually, more like unknown to fans is probably not unknown to coaches and GMs.
The last two lines of your post are probably the truest words you have ever written on TBD. It goes for every player on the roster .
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Do some of you think that McD & Beane would waste the teams time on a player that showed no promise. ? You are deluding yourselves in a aura of negativity spread by some of the know everything's on TBD. The sycophant followers don't know any better than spew what the know everythings say. Have some balls and express YOUR opinion and realize that they may be wrong , especially when the F.O. of the team is doing exactly what the KE's detest.
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26 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:
I 100% believe that. I have no idea when Allen will be ready though. It could be week 1 and it could be next year. I don’t think Peterman or McCarron have any impact on Allen.
YES !!!
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First , I want to say that I am an Allen supporter ,before the draft , during the draft , and now. I don't think they are going to rush him and I believe that he will see starting after 8- 10 games if at all this year.. Secondly ,I think that Peterman would be a better backup than AJM , because of the football IQ. and AJ,s proclivity to want to be #1. Not that Peterman doesn't want that but Peterman i think would be a better "Reich " to Allen than AJ.
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If Peterman/McCarron goes another week , then it is Peterman until Allen is ready. Allen will probably be held out for 8-10 games this year.
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10 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:
Only Benjamin and Jones are sure to make it. Reilly has a good chance. The rest will most likely not make the 53.
Dupre will BLOCK for Shady . Thats why Mcd likes him
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My roster for WR
Benjamin
Dupre
Jones --Slot
Foster
Proelh -slot
McCloud or Rielly
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A.J. Feeley , from the list forged a nice little career as a backup with the Eagles and Dolphins
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I agree that is not good but my premise and still is that it is not non-existent.
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Kurt Warner is another example of a outlier who formed a pretty good career , HOF , from 1998-2009
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5 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:
For some perspective on the likelihood of Peterman developing, here is a list. Since 2001 these are the QBs drafted in the 5th round or later:
- Mike McMahon
- A.J. Feeley
- Josh Booty
- Josh Heupel
- Randy Fasani
- Kurt Kittner
- Brandon Doman
- Craig Nall
- J.T. O’Sullivan
- Seth Burford
- Jeff Kelly
- Ronald Curry
- Wes Pate
- Brian St. Pierre
- Drew Henson
- Brooks Bollinger
- Kliff Kingsbury
- Gibran Hamdan
- Ken Dorsey
- Craig Krenzel
- Andy Hall
- Josh Harris
- Jim Sorgi
- Jeff Smoker
- John Navarre
- Cody Pickett
- Casey Bramlet
- Matt Mauck
- B.J. Symons
- Bradlee Van Pelt
- Dan Orlovsky
- Adrian McPherson
- Derek Anderson
- Matt Cassel
- Ryan Fitzpatrick
- Ingle Martin
- Omar Jacobs
- Bruce Gradkowski
- D.J. Shockley
- Jeff Rowe
- Troy Smith
- Jordan Palmer
- Tyler Thigpen
- John David Booty
- Dennis Dixon
- Josh Johnson
- Erik Ainge
- Colt Brennan
- Andre Woodson
- Matt Flynn
- Alex Brink
- Rhett Bomar
- Nate Davis
- Tom Brandstater
- Mike Teel
- Keith Null
- Curtis Painter
- John Skelton
- Jonathan Crompton
- Rusty Smith
- Dan LeFevour
- Joe Webb
- Tony Pike
- Levi Brown
- Sean Canfield
- Zac Robinson
- Ricky Stanzi
- T.J. Yates
- Nathan Enderle
- Tyrod Taylor
- Greg McElroy
- Ryan Lindley
- BJ Coleman
- Chandler Harnish
- Brad Sorenson
- Zac Dysert
- BJ Daniels
- Sean Renfree
- Aaron Murray
- AJ McCarron
- Zach Mettenberger
- David Fales
- Keith Wenning
- Taj Boyd
- Garrett Gilbert
- Brett Hundley
- Trevor Siemian
- Kevin Hogan
- Nate Sudfeld
- Jake Ruddock
- Brandon Allen
- Jeff Driskel
- Brandon Doughty
- Nathan Peterman
- Brad Kaaya
- Chad Kelly
- Mike White
- Luke Falk
- Tanner Lee
- Danny Etling
- Alex McGough
- Logan Woodside
The best 3 players on the list are Tyrod, Fitz and McCarron. We always hear “yeah but Tom Brady.” The reality is that is a total outlier.
The only thing this proves is, the earlier you draft Qb's is the odds of success are enhanced. In the 4th round of the draft from the same period there is one, Zac Presscott and a couple of journeymen..BUT and this a once in a few seasons of football there is a player who struggles out of the abyss and becomes a star. You , me or the so called experts don't know who it is or else they would be in the employ of one ofthe teams of the NFL.
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2 hours ago, eball said:
It truly is. McCarron is showing a better grasp of the offense, and Allen is not making huge rookie mistakes while flashing big play ability.
You are Tonto aren'i you ?
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Dupree is in the top 3
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1 hour ago, BillsFan4 said:
I just read an article on the Bills QB competition, and they had the current betting odds for each QB to start.
You could really clean up if Peterman won the starting job.
Hey OP - How confident are you in your prediction...? lol (j/k)
Seriously though, I’m not a gambler but those odds do have me just a bit tempted.
Im just not sure Peterman can pull it off.
I would like to see Peterman prevail just to shut up the continual so called experts , in their delirious rants against Peterman, but seriously , we are three days into T.C and there is a lot of ground to be covered and then there is preseason. I believe that McD will set Allen at least 8 games and go with McCarron/Peterman , whomever prevails That would give the O'line sometime to jell and give the WR's sometime to become acclimated to the system. The front half of the schedule is brutal , so why risk injury or as Arizona did with Carr , ruining a rookie . Exhale !!!
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McD also learned who not to trust on his team and that will come out in the wash, in the next year, when we have salary cap nirvana.
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McD said that "unfortunately the decision didn't work out FOR VARIOUS REASONS ." do some of the posters have a blind spot where Peterman is concerned.?? McD is a class guy who is not going to throw any team member under the bus. Mills , I believe appreciates that fact. among others.
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I think that we are looking at the WR's that are going to make the team now. I don't think Beane is going to clutter the landscape with a short term " veteran receiver ", on the decline , when he has a bunch of receivers on the upside of their careers. I think that of course Benjamin is a lock. From there on Jones , if he shows in TC that his ghosts are behind him .Dupree is a factor in the mix and is liked by McB.. Proehl is a find for the slot. Rielly, Streater,, Holmes and Kerley are going to fight it out for roster positions and special teams will be the deciding factor.
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Sully was a contrarian who sold papers in the era when printed papers were the norm. We have moved on to " instant " news and the younger generation does not want to read a column and have to think. They want just the facts. it isn't just Sully , the world is changing. I honestly believe that Sully was the "anti " for all of the other writers that were going along with whatever the team professed . Lets be honest, how many times are you pissed about something Sully wrote. ? That was what he wanted and thats what his bosses wanted , It sold papers.
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4 hours ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:
Hopefully he throws another three picks against the Ravens so we can firmly put him in his spot as a back up and move on from him.
A real Bills fan ?????
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I'm thinking that Beane will try to make the team better rather than worry about dollars as with the Dareus. situation because Clay has turned into a part time player because of his knees.
Prediction: Nathan Peterman Bills Starting QB Wk. 1 vs. Ravens
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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If he is still here , it is because McD kept him. I know it is your opinion that Peterman is not a QB , but McD may have a different opinion. I If it proves that McD does , i will take the word of the coach over yours because you are in error about the progress of Peterman over the past year.