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i get the due diligence... but how do you come to the conclusion buffalo inquires about 1st pick = not trading up? its not math... but if it was the math wouldnt work

With this, I can as the kids say - " Get down with the sickness"?

But here's the thing... and why until now I haven't bothered to engage in a who is better than who debate. Believe it or not, and it's the craziest thing - everyone has a rookie qb they like and one they don't. We don't get to say we only think a trade up is a good idea only if they get xxx or don't get guy zzz. The answer you are so salty about not getting is the beginning of a rabbit hole that is pointless to going down bc no matter how good of an armchair gm you think you are - it's a moot point. We don't get to vote on who the rookie should be. People much smarter than us make that decision and this is the 1st gm/coach combo i can confidently say that about.To base an entire opinion off of one game, to be frank, isn't a POV I choose to engage a conversation with. Kelly choked pretty hard in a superbowl or 3. Do we base our opinion of his on that? Sure his performance that game might tell part of the picture. But yikes, there is sssooo much more to it and what a shame it would be. Its just as much about potential as preformance at this point. Besides, it seems as though the brownies like Darnold anyway. That should solve the issue from your end. But yet we go round, and round..

And doc you aren't wrong.... I've maintained I'm for a trade up at all costs if there is a guy they love. They have shown nothing but competence. They have earned the right imo to take their shot. If they are wrong, it could be their jobs. Personally I feel better about these 2 making a decision of that magnitude than any of the other bozos that have come through. If they don't love a guy and just feel like they have to take a guy to take a guy... well that's where problems arise. I think we don't see eye to eye that Foles is the answer. You have him on a pedestal but I haven't heard what you think in regards to him being in the right situation and why if he is the guy, hasn't any one paid a 1 and 4 for their answer? He is there for the taking for any team that wants him. I maintain that Foles and AJ might be very close. I'd then get it if you wanted them to ride him and see how he shakes out. It's the Foles over everyone else part I don't understand.

Lol, if you are doing homework before some of the nonsense you bestow upon it's worse than I thought. Your question didn't warrant an answer. You LITTERALLY said you dont care if i respond, but clearly you do as you took the time out of your day to make me aware. You on the other hand, let my cliche response go right over your head and ya doubled down by getting uppity about it. The response you received was appropriate. Good day sir

Haha, ive tried. Those foles guys are a persistant bunch with hearts of gold who never give up or crumble under pressure. They'd prob say the same about Foles himself

Bananas to cucumbers to pears then Me Too! I feel like that 19 2 needs to be a 1 though. And if so, so be it lol

A lot changes in a year, as we know. They became an elite team last year. It's a copy cat league and it sure seems like the Bills are taking steps to follow in their footsteps. Pointing this out does little besides make an argument against the point you are trying to make. Foles wasn't the one who set em up last year. He simply knocked em down. Not nothing, but not a building block either. In fact, the Eagles have the exact same predicament we are debating. Talented young rookie, or stick w their backup. They know who buttered their bread last year...

Another dent in the table. I will however give credit where credit is due. This is at least one of the more creative ways in acquiring Foles

Bad years on bad teams... I don't think we know where the Bills will shake out next year but their roster is closer to the Chiefs than Eagles. I respect you like the guy, but hope and pray you don't expect the Bills to turn into the Eagles if he were to come here... No, but there in lies the disconnect. One more time, a blue chipper could be the next Kelly for this team. Foles ceiling has essentially been established. If the rookie turns into 'the guy' 5 Foles couldn't equal him. I'd venture to guess many Foles guys liked Taylor. You essentially have that in AJ now. Safe. Ever wonder how the list of qbs on the dummy jersey in Cleveland got so long? Among other things, giving too many Nick Foles type guys the reigns. IF this FO LOVES a guy, I feel they've earned the right to go get him should they choose. Lord knows we've tried every other way to get a guy. Mid to low 1st, mid rd, late rd, other teams back ups, other teams cast offs, free agents who haven't gotten a chance.. but never going up and getting THEIR top rated guy in a qb strong year. At least you can't really be proven wrong, bc at the end of the day it's pretty safe to say the Foles ship has sailed.

Just give it more time. Too soon

Apples to oranges to pears

Look, I appreciate the back and forth and I honestly don't mean to come across as rude or condesending in this case. I feel it's important I make that clear. BUT, if this were such a good idea, or sure fire way to get a franchise guy -again- why aren't qb needy teams begging the Eagles to take their picks? A 1st and a 4th is a pittance for a game breaker franchise maker hall of famer. Now, you didn't say that but before you point that out.. That's what we need. It's why people want to get to 2. It's why teams aren't lining up to meet the Eagles asking price. I didn't directly answer each of your questions 1 by 1, but I still answered them and rather matter of factly so. Foles had the best roster in the NFL, 2 up and coming potential qb gurus, solid coaching, a simple plan and didn't mess it up. When most qbs have a flash in the pan season it's because the circumstances are what that person needed to be successful. Prior to that, Foles had 1 such year and then when taken away from it - he faltered. The goods ones don't. Sure they can be assisted by it, but they are good year in and year out. Oc to Oc. Staff to staff. Before the nfcc and super bowl he was simply asked to and preformed as a game manager. He played like his hair was on fire those last 2 games and again, it was fun to watch. I know I'm not smarter than all the other GMs. So, it's very telling when no one is jumping at the chance to hitch their wagon to a guy for a small price for a fqb. Maybe he could provide some stability in a tyrod sense. Not how he plays the game per se, but the roll that the qb plays in the offense. McCarron could also provide that. We already have that. Foles isn't the answer any more than AJ is potentially. And are you really going to make me list 1 yr wonder flash in the pans who teams tried molding into a fqb and it fell apart? I hope not... but if u do #1 on that list? None other than Nick Foles himself... Is foles?

Excellent! Hopefully it's as engaging as a 2nd viewing of Inception. Now you know the ending, you'll start to notice the intricacies of how the post was crafted and to the astute observer - how I left hints of my point before I actually came out and said it. Enjoy!!!

Im actually starting to have a forehead dent in my table. As for if the table or these posts are doing more damage to my head... That's up for debate

Thats what youve taken away from the last 2 days of posts on here? Are you sure you posted this in the right forum?

I'd venture to guess it's most people's narrative or at least something similar. Then, there's a very small contingent that are STILL holding a candle for Foles. At every turn, and every opportunity, savior Foles is mentioned. If we were talking about a Brees type guy, fine. I get it. But you don't think it's a bit short sighted to put his last 3 games and 1 outlier season above the best of his career. The Bills ARE NOT the Eagles. They might not even be the Chiefs. If this dude was the cats meow, teams would be begging the Eagles to take their picks for Foles the FQB. 1st and 4th is nothing for a guy who will bring a team to greatness. Bbbuuutttt..... crickets. I promise, I don't mean this to be a jerk but you ARENT smarter than every GM in the league. There is a reason the guy has been passed around and almost retired. The Eagles had a GREAT team and he was in a GREAT situation with coaching, roster, game plan etc. He stayed within himself and didnt screw it up. He didnt make the Eagles but was a product of the Eagles.There is actual history of similar situations you can compare it to and each and every time it's essentially fools gold. Luckily, the Bills (and every other qb needy team for that matter) realize they don't want to be said fool...

Helpful to have it all in 1 place. Thanks!

I'm more inclined to burn down the bakery..

Enough of this.. man, I've never seen another teams back up qb so popluar. And it can't be him.. so it's gotta be more simply the conclusion people who are anti trade come to when considering the next best thing. Foles was in an excellent position, on an excellent team, with a stripped/dumbed down playbook. He has shown what he is capable when a team is handed to him and not in near perfect circumstances like Philly. He was fun to watch, but that bottle of lightning doesn't come with him. At least move on to AJs unknown potential and change it up. That's a tad more realistic

This is all kinda assumed imo. Unless it's a doozy, it seems folks who think otherwise just have their posts burried and otherwise ignored. It's become the main waste of space that needs to be sorted through.. the quality takes and discussion seems to naturally rise above

The article in question mentions where vick was drafted a couple times...

What did I just read?!? Man.. man crush o plenty there. Day 1 starter? Wouldnt be suprised if the Bills take him top 5?! Smoke screen bc no one has mentioned him to the bills? So by that lodgic mayfield is right there with him...Uhhhh

You had me until Lamar lol

Very few times have a read something that totally encapsulated my thoughts to a T. This post has managed to do it. Thank you for the excellent take and I'm right there with ya. Couldn't have said it better myself!