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23 minutes ago, WideRightRevenge said:
Hey Chemical .. reading your threads .. you like DK ... more power to you .. but my "Lazy Analysis" .. appears to be supported by a few others.
Oh you got your opinion from someone else? Even lazier!
ive seen that article. He glosses over the 2018 per-game production by saying he only had this many yards then got hurt.
A lot of opinions on this thread are nuanced and informed on both sides. Don’t come in here with a two word dismissal of a player that has already been disputed back and forth many times over then try to say it’s not lazy by posting a link to bleacher report with no additional insight.
7 minutes ago, WideRightRevenge said:It's a beauty pageant in the 1st round .. many different opinions .. mine .. I just prefer other options than DK (and really drafting a WR at 9 vs. DL or OL) and have flashbacks to other WR's who set combine records.
Wide receivers
- John Ross, Washington, 2017: Ross is football’s fastest runner since laser timing, with a 4.22. He somehow did it while hurting himself.
- Chris Conley, Georgia, 2015: A bigger WR at 6’2, 213, Conley dropped a 4.35-second 40 and then tied the all-positions vert record (1.5 inches ahead of the next WR) and would’ve done the same in the broad, if not for UConn DB Byron Jones entering orbit. He’d been considered a late-rounder until this, then went to the Chiefs in the third.
- Darrius Heyward-Bey, Maryland, 2009: At 6’2, 210 pounds, he’s the biggest player to ever officially crack 4.3.
None of these players were considered first round picks before the combine. Metcalf was considered the top WR before last season and was on pace for elite production THEN he ran a 4.33 (somehow that’s a negative for some people)
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2 hours ago, OldTimer1960 said:
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What production in college was that based on?
1 hour ago, OldTimer1960 said:I don’t disagree. I also was pleasantly surprised at Allen’s performance last year, but by no means believe that he is now a guaranteed success. I am optimistic, but not confident.
Youre just flat out wrong about his lack of production. Look at his game stats from last year before the injury.
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19 minutes ago, TOboy said:
Still scares me. As I've said before, scared we pass on him and he becomes the next Megatron or Julio. Terrified we pick him, as despite his many outstanding traits, there are plenty of question marks. Limited route tree, poor agility, injury history, limited production.
Injury history is the only one of those that kind of scares me. However since I’m not a doctor I’ll leave that to them.
Route tree was a product of his strengths and the ole miss play calling. When you have a guy that’s 6’4” and can run a 4.33 40 why wouldn’t you have him run a go, post, corner every play? Especially when you have AJ Brown able to run the other routes.
Production is a result of the injuries. Go look at his numbers in the individual games he played in last year.
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4 hours ago, WideRightRevenge said:
Thursday Wish List
1) Ed Oliver drops to 9
2) Bills trade back if he's gone
3) Praying we don't take DK ... combine warrior . .runs one route ... pass
4) If don't trade back .. live with Jonah Williams
Dk was considered the top WR by many before the combine AND before the season. Combine warrior label is lazy analysis.
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4 minutes ago, mrags said:
Well. I think we need a poll of names that drop. Just like we did the trade down scenario. Because many people will have different opinions of different players.
I for one, don’t want anything to do with Metcalf. Unless the other top tier WRs are gone and he’s there with our 2nd round pick. Other than that, I’m not taking him there.
I for one would take him first overall so I guess we neutralize each other lol
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41 minutes ago, Virgil said:
I just don’t think he’s BPA or a need anymore.
We definitely need WR still.
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I hope we don't draft a linebacker at all. This is a weak linebacker class and we have 2 young solid starters. Only need 2 on the field most of the time. Add depth through vet free agent pickups after the draft.
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6 minutes ago, thurst44 said:
Sounds even more plausible knowing what we know now about all the 2016 FB posts running around.
https://www.gq.com/story/donald-trump-shady-scheme-to-buy-nfl-buffalo-bills
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39 minutes ago, T master said:
I can only imagine if the Bills would have been bought by any one other than the Pegula's that the Bills mafia would have been so pissed because of what the team could have been mixed up in weather if Bon Jovi had gotten the team & tried to move it north of the border .
Or if the Donald would have gotten the team & then now with all the other crap those opposed to him being in the position he is in would have dragged the team into another dimension of political BS to try to accomplish what ever it is they are after !!
I'm just so glad the Pegula's were the ones that got the winning bid they were the perfect owners for the team & the region !! All other options would have been of nightmarish proportions !!
Sorry didn't see the other post on this subject !!!!!
A report came out a few months ago that Trump paid someone to spread the rumor that Bon Jovi was planning to move the team. Even went as far to plant news stories about bars in Buffalo banning Bon Jovi music
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5 minutes ago, Jay_Fixit said:
Corey Davis and Mike Williams had more production in their final college seasons than Metcalf had in his Ole Miss career.
5 minutes ago, Jay_Fixit said:Corey Davis and Mike Williams had more production in their final college seasons than Metcalf had in his Ole Miss career.
Zay Jones had a lot of production in college. Hows that working out?
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21 minutes ago, Cornette's Commentary said:
Fine. Have it your way. Have fun watching Metcalf and Allen sit on the sidelines, as they watch the run defense get torched week in and week out.
You have fun watching any DT we add at this point sitting on the sidelines for about 40% of defensive snaps.
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37 minutes ago, Cornette's Commentary said:
The most explosive WR with a run defense that ranks toward the bottom of the league. BRILLIANT!
Where did the passing game rank genius?
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Love the DK pick but why would anyone want Zay Jones?
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4 minutes ago, JaCrispy said:
DK Metcalf does absolutely nothing for me...weak route runner, weak hands, serious injury history...if I were the Bills I would take him off my board completely...I sincerely hope they stay as far away from this guy as possible...of course, I could be wrong- but that’s just how I feel.
Google DK Metcalf scouting report. First thing I see from each person at the draft network:
”Route Running –Shows very good footwork at the line of scrimmage to defeat press coverage and create false steps. Does well to bend back across the face of leveraged defenders on vertical stems. Explosive through breaks and create separation. -Crabbs
Routes - Wins routes early with dynamic hand and footwork in his release. Knows how to work his route stem to manipulate the corner, establish leverage and sell his breaks. Hasn't be tasked with running an overly expansive route tree but the traits are present to be an outstanding route-runner and separator in the NFL. Rare acceleration for his size and springs explosively out of his breaks. Understands where zone coverage is soft and adjusts. Alters his tempo effectively.
-Marino
Route-Running - Let's talk about what is his fault: Metcalf needs to show better attention to detail in his patterns at times, breaking his routes off more exactly, showing a better awareness of the sideline and being more efficient with his footwork. Outside of his control however, is an Ole Miss offense that asked him to predominantly run hitches, curls, comebacks and nine routes, operating only on a vertical plane that made things very simple for defensive backs who had done their tape study. How Metcalf managed his production is a testament to his other-worldly talent in a scheme that didn't make things easy on him.
-Ledyard
Route Running – Metcalf aligned almost exclusively on the outside of the offensive formation to the left-hand side. Playing out there in the SEC, he faced plenty of press or bump coverages. However, Metcalf had a ton of success with his press coverage releases. With footwork that can be a blur for his size, he would re-set the line of scrimmage and discard the jam with violent hands. Metcalf takes full advantage of his strength and length combination while facing press. With an arsenal of hand swipes and proper anticipation, he dominates the contact window. Extremely physical route runner at the top of his stems when he has to be, clearing space with violence. Consistently worked downhill towards the quarterback when necessary.
Metcalf showed acceleration after beating press coverage or on vertical cuts. Mostly operating on the vertical plane, he understands how to threaten side to side before continuing down the field. Makes a conscious effort to stack defensive backs right after his route breaks.
Metcalf has technique issues that limit his speed on curl and comeback breaks. He’ll rarely take the least amount of steps necessarily, needing to pause at the top of his route for a moment. Metcalf was rarely asked to run in-breaking routes in the Rebels offense, but there are enough examples on his film to suggest moderate success in that area moving forward.-Kelly
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10 minutes ago, section122 said:
With the 64th pick the New Orleans saints select Elgton Jenkins, center, mississippi st.
With the retirement of Max Unger C is a team need. Yes they did sign Nick Easton but he is returning from injury and has positional flexibility. Protecting Brees and keeping Kamara clean are priority #1 with this pick.
Also considered dt here as Sean Payton says that is the biggest team need but what does he know...
@JimKellyTryouts you are back on the clock
Jenkins went 51 to dolphins
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12 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:
I don't agree. With this at all.
First, McCoy is every bit as much an impact player as any of the five you named.
Second, it's a whole new game thus year with the offensive line. No one knows how much better the line will be, but it could be a lot better. If it is, everything on offense changes.
If the line is significantly better and if Allen improves, the skill players WILL suffice. Brown and Beasley are solid players and will get the Bills through the season just fine. If the line isn't better or if Allen doesn't improve adding a star receiver won't help.
The Bills can either offense or defense in the draft. And if they go offense, it might be a lineman.
I can understand the stance that the defensive players available when we pick will be much better prospects, therefore we need to go defense despite being ranked #2 and offense #31. (Even if I might disagree)
I can’t understand how anyone can watch last year’s team and think we should go defense all things being equal.
A star receiver will help regardless of any other factors.
An offensive tackle will also help and would play 100 percent of offensive snaps when healthy compared to a DT playing 60%
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15 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:
Huh? I’m not protecting Beane, it’s literally been said by Beane, Drew, etc that Bills and Beane pulled out of the trade by choice. Not sure what version you have, but this has been already disclosed multiple times now.
Why would Beane pull out of the deal? Because he needs that 15 million cap space this year for who? Why even begin negotiations if you’re not willing to pay Brown?
I’m very concerned if that contract he signed with the raiders was the reason Beane backed out, as you’re saying.
Also, Beane said we have “moved on” that could mean Antonio refused to consider coming to Buffalo so we moved on. Pegula said Antionio didn’t want to come here.
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28 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:
Im not sure how anyone can say our offensive talent can “suffice”. It was one of the least talented groups of either side of the ball in the entire NFL last year. Yes, Beane did a great job adding value players all over the offense and it will certainly be better.
But someone show me one impact player at a skill position on the offense...just show me one. Our defense has at least 5 impact players in White, Hyde, Hughes, Poyer, and Edmunds. And Milano played like one pre injury too.
Dont get me wrong, I’m all for building a stout defense and fine taking a defensive player at 9. But at the end of the day, our offense has no proven impact player at any skill position. We got a couple deep ball threats and a good 3rd down guy in Cole.
Our entire future hinges on Allen’s development. Nothing matters more. Offensive weapons take time to develop. Take the weapons NOW so they can start growing and developing together with Josh. Any glaring defensive holes can also be drafted next year too and they are not dependent on rapport with another player to develop like a WR or TE is.
People treat this like it’s our last draft ever. We can upgrade more next offseason when we have a bunch of cap room and the draft again. But we do not have any potential impact offensive players yet around Allen and nothing matters more than him taking big steps forward.
Get Josh a major weapon.
If we want to truly contend for a Super Bowl in 2020, we need to add the offensive weapon NOW to get a year together with Josh going into that season.
Exactly. Beane and Steelers agreed on trade compensation and Beane pulled out when he found out what AB wanted money wise after talking to Drew.
Great post until the bolded. Not only has everyone said otherwise including Terry Pegula, but you really think Beane is dumb enough to expect to trade for Brown and not give him a new contract? Not to mention the fact that the contract he got from the raiders would be absolutely fine for us. It’s basically 2years guaranteed when we have more than enough cap space. I don’t know why posters on here need to it to be otherwise, but AB not wanting to come to Buffalo at least doesn’t make Beane look like an idiot.
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Phew Texans took a safety and corner but neither are the one(s) we were looking at.
Biggest needs for the eagles are probably interior online/dline depth and linebacker. However, no one left in this draft are a clear upgrade to start at those positions imo. Also, depth can be added with our two 4th rounders.
So we will he attempting to upgrade the safety spot across from Malcom Jenkins by moving who I think is best player available from CB to Safety.
With the 57th pick the Eagles select Joejuan Williams CB, Vanderbilt
He will be moved to safety and provide corner depth if the secondary is decimated by injuries again. Taylor Rapp was an option here but decided to go with the 6’4” prospect who supposedly improved his 40 time from 4.6 at the combine to 4.55 at his pro day. Before the combine was considered by some to be a late 1st early 2nd pick.
@BuffaloHokie13 is on the clock
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1 hour ago, LABILLBACKER said:
After the Sammy Watkins pick I'm totally sceptical about ever picking a wr that early again. Most experts have Metcalf rated well after 9. This is a deep draft with several good wr prospects from late 1st thru the 4th. DK reminds me too much of David Boston. Go DL or Hock.....
What about Dareus over AJ Green?
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20 minutes ago, the skycap said:
I really think they really want Metcalf. I'm afraid of the Jets and Detroit. I'm thinking Detroit may want to move up and get that defensive player for Matt Patricia with the Jets and the Jets taking Metcalf at 8. By the way, can somebody explain to me what is the meaning of draft value?
Draft value only makes sense when you're talking about salaries imo. Barkley wasn't a bad value in terms of talent, but he was instantly the 5th highest paid running back, therefore bad value.
People are using the term in this thread in an attempt to say no to WR at 9. I dont see any reason why Metcalf would be bad value at 9. Taking a TE on the other hand...
https://www.watchfantom.com/the-three-highest-and-lowest-paid-offensive-nfl-positions/
not sure where WR falls but it's probably close behind RT
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6 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:
I hate the hyper focus on sack numbers. Last year, if Shaq had 6 more sacks, he would be at 10 total sacks. Everyone would agree that if he had 10 sacks he would be worth the money. But really, is less than .5 sacks per game really that big a deal? Does that really make a game changer? I don't think so.
I also hate how sacks are counted. If hypothetically a guy had 8 half sacks that’s 8 good plays, but it shows up as 4 sacks. It should be separate numbers for example 5 sacks and 3 half sacks
Also, what about having him gain 10 lbs and putting him inside? Heard Sal Capaccio say today on WGR that Ed Oliver’s playing weight will be around 270-275 so why not try Shaq there?
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Wouldn’t an extension be cheaper? If the 5th year option is declined is he eligible? Still only 24 years old.
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4 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:
@RyanC883 with the next 2 picks!
Nice jumping the Steelers to get the player you want.
Exactly. The two Devin MLBs were gone so DB is biggest need remaining, especially considering all the injuries in the secondary last season.
Byron Murphy might be a better scheme fit but Greedy's prototypical size/speed/talent is too much to pass up.
Eagles can address oline and dline depth later on.
Who’s the ONE guy that you want in this draft?
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Diane Keaton Metcalf