Rock-A-Bye Beasley
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21 hours ago, Pete said:
Teams have run at will against Buffalo the past 2 years and opposing QBS have been way too comfortable in the pocket. A WR does nothing to fix that.
jones, brown, foster, Beasley, Roberts, duke is 6 WR already, we aren’t keeping 7, who are you cutting when you draft WR?
Zay and/or duke
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2 minutes ago, NewEra said:
Between you and the guy saying that Zach Allen is more of a physical freak than Ed Oliver, because he’s bigger, I’m really in awe.
I’m hanging with my wife on the couch while I read this stuff. I don’t feel like digging up articles and stats to prove my point. My point is well documented.
Then you say this:
“The point is there are players in the 2nd and 3rd round that can provide what Oliver provides. What point is this when there are several WRs
But there are no players like Metcalf, sometimes for years. He's not just a size/speed combo. He was already considered the top WR before this past season and combine. The injury is the only reason he might be available at 9 since he was on pace for a huge year.. Meanwhile Ed Oliver was considered the best DT prior to the season and got stuck playing the zero tech getting double and triple teamed all year. But that doesn’t mean anything to you? Of course, it doesn’t fit your agenda.
But Ed Oliver isn’t a physical freak https://www.google.com/amp/s/theramswire.usatoday.com/2019/03/28/ed-oliver-pro-day-aaron-donald-comparison-nfl-draft/amp/
40-yard dash 3-cone Short shuttle Vertical Broad Bench Donald 4.68s 7.11s 4.39s 32″ 116″ 35 reps Oliver 4.73s 7.15s 4.22s 36″ 120″ 32 reps Just to put Ed Oliver’s 4.19 short-shuttle time into perspective, here’s some other notable results:
4.18 – Antonio Brown
4.19 – DeSean Jackson
4.24 – Saquon Barkley
4.24 – Le’Veon Bell
4.25 – Julio Jones
4.39 – Aaron DonaldEdit: and he fits the draft profile of McBeane of rare size/speed/talent in the first. Oliver doesn’t fit because he isn’t 6’5?
Metcalf is clearly a specimen. None of the WRs in rd 2 bring his freakiness to the table. The same is true for Ed Oliver. Ed hasn’t had neck surgery either. If the neck surgery doesn’t bother you AT ALL, that’s just strange.
Again stop putting words in my mouth. I’m not a doctor. I said if the doctors think it’s an issue then don’t draft him.
Also never said Oliver isn’t a physical freak. I’d just rather have Metcalf and a later round DT than Oliver and a later round WR
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Just now, NewEra said:
My bad again. Oliver is terrible. Zach Allen >>. Ed Oliver. I know, look at the tape. I know, look at the stats. its just so obvious that I’m starting to think hat Allen will be taken in the top 10 and Oliver in the 2nd rd
Never said he's terrible, just comparable to a lot of other players at his position for pass rushing. While I don't think Metcalf is comparable to any of the receivers.
Hopefully this time my point is clear enough so you can stop putting words in my mouth and using sarcasm as a debate tactic. It's not clever or funny and it's not combating any points being made.
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4 minutes ago, NewEra said:
Ok. You just posted a link that said shows that Oliver played the zero the majority of the time and was triple teamed......yet that doesn’t mean anything to you.
I’m done in this thread. I’ll enjoy watching you guys whine and cry about how bad Beane is when we don’t take Metcalf.
Look at the non-zero pass rushing numbers
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2 minutes ago, NewEra said:
You said “the point is” there are 2nd and 3rd prospects that can provide what Oliver provides. First off, who? Zach Allen? Oh yeah. Secondly, if that’s your point, and there are WRs in rd 2 and 3 that can provide what Metcalf provides, what good is your point? It’s not.
You’re comparing Ed Oliver and Zach Allen. I’m comparing DK Metcalf with Brown, Harry, Butler, Deebo, Campbell, Harmon, Arcega-Whiteside, Hall, Ridley, McLaurin off the top of my head. I realIze they all wont be there at 40, but several will be. If you point is, Oliver can be had in the body of Zach Allen and Metcalf can’t, you have no point. Metcalf is a physical freak. So is Oliver.
I said years pass without a player like Metcalf.
Is Oliver that much better than Jeffrey Simmons? Is he better at all? His best skill is run stopping, and his pass rushing is above average. I posted this link earlier in the thread:
This is supposed to help Oliver's case for lack of pass rush production (lack of production is often held against Metcalf, but not Oliver btw),
but all it does for me is point out that there are at least 6-7 DTs that are not only comparable at pass rushing but better.
And I only care about the pass rushing because that's the skill that is most valuable/rare.
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2 minutes ago, NewEra said:
So you’re saying that there aren’t any good WRs in the 2nd rd? LOL. The WRs that are pegged in rd 2 are widely viewed as some of the best bang for your buck in this draft.
Nope did't say that
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6 minutes ago, NewEra said:
Ok my bad. Zach Allen is just as good as Ed Oliver. What ever was I thinking?
The point is there are players in the 2nd and 3rd round that can provide what Oliver provides.
But there are no players like Metcalf, sometimes for years. He's not just a size/speed combo. He was already considered the top WR before this past season and combine. The injury is the only reason he might be available at 9 since he was on pace for a huge year.
Edit: and he fits the draft profile of McBeane of rare size/speed/talent in the first.
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4 minutes ago, NewEra said:
And our defense was gashed up the middle
And our WRs were fine?
Who was scared of Dallas or Baltimore playmakers last year? It was a national storyline that Cowboys needed to get Dak more help and they did. Although I like the signings more help is needed.
Run stopping is an easier fix. You don't need to spend a top 10 pick to stop the run.
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1 minute ago, NewEra said:
Neck surgery + little production + below average hands imo = not worth 9.
Dude looks like a body builder and had NECK SURGERY. I’d rather not use the 9th pick in the draft on a WR that I have a 2nd grade on that had neck surgery.....while there are players that I have ranked MUCH higher still available. He makes zero sense to me @ 9
The good news is the Bills will check on the medical part. If it's a concern he won't be drafted by us. I trust the Bills medical staff much more than your fear of the word neck
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4 minutes ago, Peace Frog said:
"After running the numbers, the good news for Metcalf is that there are a few recent instances of receivers who had poor agility testing and found success in the NFL."
My concern about Oliver:
Because this is supposed to be a video defending his lack of senior year production, but look at the rankings even when adjusted for scheme. He's still well below Jerry Tillery and others when it comes to pass rush from 3tech.
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4 minutes ago, Peace Frog said:
We still need a replacement for Kyle Williams. If you're adamant about acquiring weapons for Josh, then we should trade down and do it.
Thought Harrison Phillips was that guy. Where was Kyle drafted again? Who's our highest paid player next year? Jordan and Harrison Phillips weren't even on the team this time last year. We added 3 DT and lost one to retirement in the last year.
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2 minutes ago, Virgil said:
I agree. That's a lot if you consider Oliver a equal value player 4 spot later.
I think Williams is considered a much better prospect, but I’d rather the Bills stay put in real life.
However, for this mock isn’t simulating a trade the whole point?
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53 minutes ago, Chemical said:
Yes l want Metcalf
@NewEra How can you possibly be confused by this sentence?
1 hour ago, maryland-bills-fan said:NO. The new wave is WR by committee with no #1 guy, but rather two #2+ guys and 2 slot guys.
Yeah that makes sense. Same for dline I want two #2 DTs instead of one really good one.
And also for O line I want two decent tackles and not one elite guy.
Actually come to think of it I'm glad tre white came back down to earth a little last year because I wouldn't want a #1 corner, I prefer two #2 corners and two slot corners.
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4 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:
Pats*** have been doing this for years, to some extent the Saints as well until last 2 years.
Shocking Brady and Brees can pull that off!
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Yes l want Metcalf
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5 minutes ago, Virgil said:
I must have missed it. If you want to pick a team that an owner with multiple teams, you can have the later team
No worries. I’ll take the eagles then if that’s ok. I appreciate it.
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22 minutes ago, Virgil said:
Gave everyone 5 days to sign up. Had to move on
Are you contemplating a trade? You can pick whenever you want
Well I offered to do Titans yesterday then again tonight to take any teams remaining.
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Why are there multiple posters with multiple teams?
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Are there any teams left? If so I’ll take one.
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I’ll take Titans
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3 minutes ago, BillsVet said:
Who said anything about reaching?
Ed Oliver may be a fine player, but from a positional value standpoint he's not worth more as an interior DL than a good WR or TE who poses a match-up issue for opposing defenses. Buffalo's offense doesn't feature one guy who a defensive coordinator is losing sleep over.
You mean you weren’t quaking in your boots before the season opener last year knowing we had to face Brown?!
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I’m usually a BPA guy but when your offense and defense are this far apart in the rankings you take offense. All year people complained about the offense and were told not to worry because we are going to use draft picks and free agency to fix it. Now most on this board are hoping for Oliver.
A defensibe tackle would upset me for a number of reasons.
1) He will be the 2nd or 3rd DT off the board and 5th or 6th d lineman. As opposed to the best player at OT, WR, or TE. If this draft is so deep at DT then there will be a player that can fit into our rotation later in the draft.
2) the aforementioned rotation means a DT will not be on the field every play. With a top 10 pick I want a player that will be on the field every play.
3) we have been through this with Dareus. He was the BPA supposedly. AJ green went one pick later. I know it happens the other way around (Sammy over Mack) but no one really knows who the best player is going to be.
4) we don’t need a Kyle Williams replacement. I keep seeing this on mock drafts as a reason to take a DT at 9. Phillips wasn’t on the team this time last year. His one year deal is just smart cap management. Harrison was pumped up as Kyles eventual replacement. What happened to that? Star is the highest paid player on the team. He cannot be cut for two more years after this one without serious dead cap.
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6 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:
Added Metcalf to the poll, which was just 13.22% without him. I'm curious what he adds to that number.
He's another offensive weapon, though, and that's where I think we go.
And as a guy who just doesn't follow college football, I didn't know the physical freak he really is!
Changed my vote for Metcalf
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TSW Mock Draft 2.0 - Completed!!
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With the 18th pick in the 2019 NFL Draft the Philadelphia Eagles select Andraez "Greedy" Williams, CB, Louisiana State University.