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I disagree. This isnt a binary choice. It’s certainly possible, in fact likely, that Hegseth is both a liar AND incompetent.

Pretty damning article, with quotes from former Air Force secretary and Bush advisor. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/former-air-force-secretary-bradley-would-be-court-martialed-under-normal-circumstances/ar-AA1Rz50C?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=692f437604624609bda5fd717be7003d&ei=75 Since Wolfgang doesnt know how to click on links, I have some key quotes below: "Several other former U.S. government and military leaders have also dubbed the “double tap” attack a violation of the country’s law of war manual. " “Adm. Bradley was reported to have given an excuse, if you will, for the second engagement. That doesn’t hold water. These people were wounded. They were in the water. They were not a threat to anybody. Again, that’s a textbook example of a war crime,” Kendall said Monday. “You can‘t kill survivors who can no longer fight,” John Yoo, who served as an adviser in former President George W. Bush’s administration, said during a Monday appearance on CNN. “So, the admiral should not have obeyed the order that Secretary Hegseth gave. And even the soldiers who carried out the admiral‘s orders should not have obeyed.” "Leavitt alleged the strikes were justified after narcotrafficking groups were deemed foreign terrorist organizations, allowing for “lethal targeting in accordance with the laws of war.” Her comments contradict the U.S.’s war manual, which states “orders to fire upon the shipwrecked would be clearly illegal.”

The thought that Geneva convention only applies to combatant in uniform is wrong. And remember it’s the Trump administration that has characterized the boats kills as war actions.

Huh. So Wolfgang doesnt believe that the Geneva convention provides guidance on the humane prosecution of war.

Ive told you this three times. I’ve linked the relevant docs several times. You can also google “Is it a violation of Geneva convention to kill survivors of a naval attack”? But I’m pretty sure you’ll find a reason not to.

The guidance that it’s a violation of the Geneva convention to kill survivors of strikes in the water. It’s in the link I posted.

“The strike conducted on September 2nd was conducted in self-defense to protect Americans and vital United States interests. The strike was conducted in international waters and in accordance with the law of armed conflict,” Leavitt replied. Let me get this straight. You dont think the Geneva convention applies to armed conflict? Really?

“President Trump and Secretary Hegseth have made it clear that presidentially designated narcoterrorist groups are subject to lethal targeting in accordance with the laws of war. With respect to the strikes in question on Sept. 2, Secretary Hegseth authorized Adm. Bradley to conduct these kinetic strikes,” Leavitt said. Geneva convention on killing helpless unarmed combatants. https://www.justsecurity.org/125948/illegal-orders-shipwrecked-boat-strike-survivors/ These clowns cant even keep their lies straight.

Sherp. This is a quote from the White house. “The strike conducted on September 2nd was conducted in self-defense to protect Americans and vital United States interests. The strike was conducted in international waters and in accordance with the law of armed conflict,” Leavitt replied.

Don’t lecture me on the devastation caused by illegal drugs. I know two young men who have recently died of drug overdoses. One was my cousin’s only son. I’m all for harsh penalties, including life sentences, for drug smugglers. I also believe in the rule of law. There is no evidence whatsoever that Trump and Hegseth are following US or international law. They aren’t “strong”. They’re lawbreakers. Trump has conned the Supreme Court into saying that he isn’t subject to US laws. But Hegseth and others? They still are subject to US and international law. Even if Trump preemptively pardons Hegseth (100% chance he will), those pardons mean nothing internationally.

One more time. Read the links I posted. To be clear. I do not support drug smugglers, in any way shape or form. I support the legal process, and think they should all be punished to the fullest extent of applicable laws (US or international). Even if they're buddies with other criminals. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/nov/28/trump-pardon-honduras-hernandez-drugs I do not support killing foreign nationals in international waters, who pose no clear or immediate threat to US interests.

I agree. They are not combatants in the usual sense. If there is no real “war” on narcoterrorists, then DOD is illegally killing foreign nationals in international waters. DOD has shown no evidence any of these boats were even headed to the US. in fact at least one was clearly headed to Trinidad. US has no standing or authority for these extrajudicial killings in international waters. US is not, and should not be, the world’s policeman. Read the above links. Trump admin has been caught in their convoluted web of lies and half truths.

Problem here is that Trump and his administration are chronic liars. They've gotten trapped in their own lies. The pretext for the boat strikes given by the War Secretary and the Dept of War is that the US is engaged in a war on narcoterrorism . Thus they can shoot whatever vessels they deem to be enemy ships. Thus making the operators of said ships enemy combatants. Of course, this isnt simply my opinion. Here's of few from Republican and Independent senators. I'm sure that you can find quotes from Tucker and random bloggers who say "nothing to see here, move along". Read here: https://www.newsweek.com/republicans-demand-probe-pete-hegseth-boat-strikes-11133242 https://www.cnn.com/2025/12/01/us/video/sen-angus-king-if-the-facts-are-as-have-been-alleged-thats-a-stone-cold-war-crime https://thehill.com/policy/defense/5627952-defense-secretary-orders-drug-boat-attack/ https://www.justsecurity.org/125948/illegal-orders-shipwrecked-boat-strike-survivors/

Great Game Bills! Time to take josh out.

Had Coleman at +2000 for first TD….

Im guessing Geneva Convention wasn’t taught at Trump University. https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/ihl-treaties/gcii-1949/article-12/commentary/2017 Fool.

Seems like you and your droogs don’t understand the concept of innocent until proven guilty.

No one touched 6. is he just getting a breather for defens

How is that not a foul?

I seriously have no clue what that word salad acid babble means. I think that youre trying to refute what I said. Im arguing that the Trump administration has some of the most corrupt and incompetent appointees in US history. Hegseth is exhibit #1. Bondi, Patel, Hegseth, Kennedy, Bhattacharya, CDC head, pro-wrestling woman are 7 of the very worst presidential appointees in US history. Go Bills!

Serious question. You think its A-OK for Hegseth to serve as judge, prosecutor, and executor of foreign nationals in international waters? In normal times, DOD, DOJ, or CIA law experts could weigh in. But the Trump administration has fired all of them, so i guess there is no legal oversight. Trump cant get prosecuted because the Supreme Court has ruled the president is above the law. I guess we'll find out if an international court can prosecute Hegseth and the drone operators.

Huh. Looks like Billsfan is editing his (their?) posts to make them appear even more nonsensical. Didnt think that was possible.

Gotta disagree here. I’ve been a Bills fan since the late 60s. This is the highest variance Bills team I can remember. They’re 7-4, and all but one loss came down to the final play. I wouldn’t be surprised if they went 6-0 over the last 6 games, as they did in 2021. I would only be mildly surprised if they went 0-6. This is a really unpredictable team

Huh. Dude says learning of a massacre makes him sad. You then mock him. You’re sort of a dick, aren’t you?

Obviously, I was referring to true patriots. You know, the ones involved in founding this country. Who believed that no man was above the law. That all men were created equal. That type of patriot. Not the T shirt "patriots" who follow Trump and Tucker like lemmings.