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Just now, aceman_16 said:
Umm yeah... So the figurative definition of "dumped. " Getting rid of someone before you have to in order to get something out of it that you could have obtained better if the timing was right.
...ok. I see your point here.
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2 hours ago, Commonsense said:
In other news Les Snead is going to get flamed so hard for jumping at every trade offer and wasting future assets that the Rams will need when paydays come.
The Rams need to sell PSL's and season tickets for their new fancy stadium. They need to WIN NOW to generate maximum interest. They do not care about the hole they dig 3 years from now.
2 hours ago, Doc said:Wait, I thought Sammy drew double coverage every play?
Full disclosure. I am a Chiefs fan....and I am not completely sure that signing Sammy Watkins for 16 mil per was a good use of funds...but having looked over the film from last season in LA......frankly, McVay did a GREAT job of scheming folks open to help out Goff. The more I watch the film. the worse Goff looked. He either can't or hasn't developed enough (probalby can't) throw a good NFL deep pass. If they use Cooks the same way the tried to use Watson, I don't think Cooks is going to look very good there. Shorter routes are what Goff did well last year executing the offense.
28 minutes ago, aceman_16 said:They are NOT grabbing a QB this year. People forget they dumped a "sure thing" in Garapolo for a 2nd. IF they wanted to retool they would have kept him and still made the trades to surround him with future talent.
......They didn't "Dump" Garrapolo. His contract was about to expire. The patriots were not going to franchise tag him. Their options were to let him go and get a 3rd round compensatory pick. trade him for something better than that, or try and sign him long term...wich he was surely not going to do there as he understood his market. I would agree the Pats could have gotten more than a 2 for him, but they weren't going to keep him unless Brady retired.
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.....not too late to jump on the Mahomes bandwagon. He could have been a Bill, but that doesn't mean you can't still be a fan...
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I think strong IQ tests (not the ones you do and share on facebook) are very good at predicting life outcomes and determining all sorts of things...No need to go into all that here....been looking at the Wonderlic....and quite simply, there just isn't a correlation there between a wonderlic score and predicting that a QB will or won't be good. I happen to not like Jackson much as a QB prospect, but that was before I even knew his score, and this score changes nothing about my opinion of him as a prospect. I agree that a QB needs brain power that allows quick read of progression and good understanding of a playbook...but this test I don't think, is a good indicator of a persons brains abilty to process these things....If I were a team....I would probably get alot more out of having a guy sit down and evaluate film and plays....kind of like Grudens QB camp show.
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7 hours ago, HappyDays said:
So Les Snead is betting everything on 2018 and 2019. After that they won't be able to pay anyone. Good luck with that, I guess.
He won't care after that..he has a new stadium that he needs to sell out....LA Loves a winner.
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13 minutes ago, RocCityRoller said:
Funny, I seem to recall Indy has been to the playoffs 3 of 6 years since drafting Luck, making the AFC Championship once with 0 Super Bowl appearances in that span. Each year they had to play in the wild card round, so 0 first round byes, and it's not like they had the Pats, Steelers or Broncos in their division.
In 5 years, not counting the year he was knocked out, he is a whopping 9 games over .500. That equates to 9-7or 10-6 depending on rounding (+1.8 games over 8-8)
And Indy did not have to sell the farm to get him. They had the pick from tankng, and did not have to spend insane draft capital, or trade away NFL contributors to get the pick to do so. This is not 'house money' as another genius posted.
You would think that a team picking the consensus best QB, with its natural draft pick, coming off of multiple playoff appearances in the 5 years before him, in a weak division would do better.
But we at TBD should drink the Kool-aid to trade a 1 this year, give up an additional 1 this year and next, and possibly 2 seconds to get the second or third best QB in the draft.
All of this despite having one of the oldest rosters in the NFL, and coming off of 1 playoff appearance in 18 years. All to select a guy that quit on a sport when he needed surgery, had a 17-13 record, is not a cultural fit at all, has already had multiple shoulder injuries and concussions, and the team will have less draft capital in the first two years to build around him.
Yeah, I'm sure Buffalo betting the house on Rosen will do better than Indy with Luck.
Umm... did you happen to notice those Colts “teams” made the playoffs with Peyton Manning, they lose him, and the “team” finished with the worst record in football. They draft Luck, and they are are a playoff team again. Luck gets hurt and they end up with the third pick in the draft. I am not very smart but I think this is what is referred to as a pattern.
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3 hours ago, ALF said:
One scenario is that the acquisition of Keenum, coupled with a likely early run on the top quarterbacks in the draft could leave the Broncos tempted to grab a blue-chip, non-quarterback prospect and wait until later in the draft to add a quarterback.
https://www.denverpost.com/2018/03/20/broncos-quarterback-options-nfl-draft/
This should have been obvious to everyone the minute Keenum signed his contract....don't need the Denver Post to tell you this....
1 hour ago, RocCityRoller said:You and 26corner keep saying things like this, assuming Rosen is the face of the franchise for 10+ years. How do you know that? You don't. No one does.
I'd rather take 1 pro bowler, 1 borderline pro bowler / solid starter, 1 solid starter, 2 disappointments than a try at a borderline franchise QB, especially in a QB deep draft. Do you want to hope you land Andrew Luck, and have a weak team, or draft a QB with a few questions and build the team?
That is the question.
How has 'can't miss Andrew Luck' done without a team?
and it's not 'house money' this team traded away its starting QB, LT and #1WR (2 firsts) for these picks.
The OP is like the guy gambling on his credit card because, 'Hey its free money if I win'.
Healthy Andrew Luck has done VERY WELL without a team around him..he makes them all better. That's what a franchise QB does.
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2 hours ago, BillsFan692 said:
So let me get this right. You, in your infinite and far reaching wisdom think that 5 or 6 of the top 12 picks will all be QBs??????
When does that ever happen
No. I think the first 3 will all be QB...then the high end NON QB will go....about pick 9 or so, that's where the action is because those teams don't need QB and they will consider more picks in this deep draft more beneficial than drafting someone at 9, 10, 11, etc....So the Bills, Cards....and maybe Chargers will be looking at what's left in the QB market trying to decide if they need to get in front of each other....so for example...Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield go 1-2-3....(in my estmation) ...Josh Allen, Mason Rudolph and Jackson still on the board...You can't tell me the Bills are cool with McCaron, and the Cards are set with Bradford and Glennon....if ONE of the Bills or Cards...or Chargers...maybe even Pittsburg....takes a liking to one of them..9, 10, 11, all ripe for the picking. I do think the Bills go to 9 to fend off the cards for ALLEN...and the Chargers and Cards manuever for Rudolph...around pick 14,15. So...5 in top 15.
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4 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:
Because no matter what we offered we couldn't offer Colts #6. We would have had to swing a deal for four first.
THANK YOU!
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It is amazing to me how BLIND some of you want to be to what is happening here. The COLTS took the Jets offer, not because Buffalo could pay MORE but because the Colts only had to move to 6. There are some players way up there that INDY really likes that won't be there at 12. The Colts get the extra picks in a deep draft, and still get at top 3 NON QB. They didn't WANT the Bills package! .....and the other thing that is funny is that everyone just assumes that the 2nd pick can be had if the Bills just meet the asking price.....there is no asking price to be met.....the Jets certainly called about it. If the Giants were in this for a top 3 NON QB, they would have traded out already....They are taking the QB. ....can't stress this enough....hardest thing to find is a high end, franchise type QB. Your odds of getting one are much higher at the top end of a draft. If you think you can get one, you get him. The Giants have the 2nd pick in a year where there are some guys who many think could be that kind of guy. If you are the Giants, you do not know where you will draft next year, and surely your scouting department has told you that the 2019 QB crop is garbage...even if ONE guy emerges...will you be in position to get him? The most value the Giants can get from that pick is to use it this year while they are in position to get their next QB. They even have the unusual luxury of drafting so high but still having a vet QB in place so the new guy can sit if they are so inclinded. The Bills will either sit at 12 or trade up to 9 or so for Josh Allen, or gamble on waiting for Mason Rudolph...but that is a huge risk because Arizona, Pittsburg, and the LA Chargers are lurking...the Chargers are especially dangerous to move up on someone.
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My 2 cents.
1. Cleveland will take a QB.
2. NY will take a QB. They will do their due dilligence and field calls, but really they will stay where they are. The reality is, the 2019 Draft Class is going to be one of those years where ZERO QB's are drafted in round 1. It's that bad. The QB's coming out next year SUCK. The crop of potential QB free agents next year...SUCKS...compared to the bounty available this crazy offseason. Eli SUCKS....at this point. He wants to retire a Giant. I can see him accepting his mortality a bit better if he gets to finish as the mentor to his chosen successor (and not benched for Geno Smith) The Giants have considered all this. The most value they can muster from the 2nd overall pick....is to use it themselves. ROSEN.
3. The Jets will take a QB. Consider the situation in New York...they have a GM and a HC who are on short leashes. They DO NOT HAVE TIME to wait for Darnold or even worse, Josh Allen to develop. They moved up here to insure themselves Baker Mayfield. He will be ready to go day 1. He has had a billion college reps, he got better each year, he has a high completion pct. He is a big name. He has a Heisman. He is a charachter. He has JETS written all over him. ...and again...can't stress enough, he is ready to go day 1. The staff needs results sooner rather than later.
4. Cleveland will take someone here not named Saquan Barkley. .....That front office just signed Carlos Hyde to good money, he is a Buckeye, and they have Duke Johnson, who has been one of their better players as the 3rd down guy on the roster. The same front office has a long history of not valuing RB high in the draft...and this one is full of RB....they can get a good one later, if they even think they need another one.
5. Denver. No reason to be scared of these guys taking a QB....and not just becasue they signed Keenum....but consider they did sign him..to starter money. The coaching staff has been told publicly they have THIS YEAR to produce results. The Broncos still have a first round QB on the roster that Elway seems to have wiffed on, but he was supposed to be a 2-3 year project coming out. They re-upped their two WR. They are in win now mode with a coaching staff in win now mode...they simply aren't set up to draft their next QB...this staff isn't going to be around for that....they either win with Keenum or they are done and Denver will then go into rebuild mode. They will take the Guard from ND. Day one pro bowl starter at a position they need desperately.
6. Colts. ...Buffalo could have offered them more than the Jets and I bet they did offer more....but as has been mentioned...Colts understand how this is playing out and at worst they will end up with the 3rd Best NON QB picking here. They will stay put.
7 bucs....another great NON QB player they like here. Barkley is my guess.
8. Bears. Spent heavily on offense in FA...take Davenport.
9. 49ers. This is where the action will be on draft night for Arizona, and Buffalo if they want something still on the QB board. I am guessing Josh Allen, Jackson and Mason Rudolph are what is left. Here is where the Bills move because Arizona will be trying to get up here too...and the Bills get Josh Allen.
Miami is not a threat to move up. They quietly restructured Tannehill a couple weeks ago...and parting ways with him will be cap hell the next 2 seasons. They also resigned David Fales...
Watch out for San Diego and Pittsburg moving up to that 9 spot for Allen...and if they don't get that...both are major candidates to move around trying to get Rudolph.
I do not think Jackson will go round 1.
1. Darnold
2. Rosen
3 Mayfield
9. Allen (to Buffalo) Trade with 49ers
14. Rudolph (to San Diego) Trade with Packers.
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I think many of you don't understand the gravity of the Jets trade up to 3. The 2 isn't available. The Giants are keeping it and taking a QB. Eli is just about toast. The 2019 QB draft class is TRASH. There is no way to know where the Giants will pick next year etc. The Giants are NOT one draft pick away from winning anything. The best thing they can do with the pick they have is get the NEXT franchise QB. They are hard to find. You don't pass them when you can get them and you need one. The 2 is not available. 1. Cleveland Darnold. 2. Giants Rosen. 3 Jets Mayfield. Bills trade up to 9 with San Francisco to fend off the Arizona Cardinals and your next franchise QB in Buffalo will in fact be Josh Allen.
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Here is my take on this.
Cleveland will take a QB at 1. They aren't taking Barkley. They signed Hyde to start, they have a good change of pace back, The FO is not inclined to value RB. I am assuming for the moment that QB they will take is Darnold. For this scenario that doesn't matter too much.
The Giants are NOT taking Barkley. Here is why. They know the Browns are going QB. The Giants could trade RIGHT NOW with the Jets, and flop spots. They know the Jets are up there for QB. If the Giants wanted Barkley, they could have HIM and some more Jets draft picks just to flop.....They have surely been called by the Jets, Bills, and whoever else to inquire about the pick. They aren't trading it because they will draft ROSEN. Eli is almost done, the 2019 QB class is room temperature lobster bisque flavored yogurt. They can simply draft the next franchise QB right now....it's the hardest thing to find, there is no promise that at any other time will they have such an easy shot at one....they are taking Rosen....getting the next franchise QB is absolutely the very best thing they could possibly do with this pick.
The Jets move up to 3 because the like at least 3 of the QB, but I believe they have come up here for Mayfield. that GM and Coach DO NOT HAVE TIME to wait on developing Allen. Mayfield took a billion reps in college, he improved every year. He has a high completion pct. He loves the spotlight. He's a charachter. He is everything NY wants in an athlete....they went up for Mayfield. .....and IF the Giants decide to see what they can get for the pick....it would be really really easy to bilk the Jets out of something like the Niners got from the Bears last year....but I don't think the pick is in play....Only way is if the Giants could be sure Rosen would be there at 3.
Once the QB are gone 1-2-3....Allen will still be high on somoenes board...maybe even the Bills (probably) Arizona will be lurking, calling to go up....the Niners, sitting at pick 9 is going to where the action is....that will be the first team who look at the guys on the board at 9 and feel like moving down to 12 or 15 is worthwhile. Bills move up to 9....take the 4th QB of the draft, Josh Allen.
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1. Cleveland. DARNOLD. Seems to be gathering steams as no.1 overall.
2. NY Giants. ROSEN. This is a deep RB draft class. You can get a good one later. They have a short shelf life. The Giants need a successor to Eli, the 2019 draft class at QB is hot garbage. So bad it won't have a 1st round prospect in it. They won't have a better chance than they will with this pick to get a bonafide blue chip QB to pass the torch to.
3. NY Jets. MAYFIELD. The GM and Coach DO NOT HAVE TIME to wait on Allen. They need a guy who plays day 1. That is Mayfield. He had a billion reps in college. He got better every year, he is a name, and he is a charachter. This who they went up for.
4. Cleveland. KOLTON MILLER. AGain, they signed Carlos Hyde and Duke Johnson is on the roster (one of their better players) ...PS. Hyde was a Buckeye..bonus points for the browns fans..the GM comes from a long line of front offices that DO NOT draft RB high. Including when he was the one making the picks with KC. Joe Thomas just Retired. They NEED his replacement, and here he is.
5. Denver. ELLIS. This is another regime with a coaching staff that has THIS YEAR to do something. They signed Keenum to starter money to win now while they think their window is still open. (debatable) ...This isn't the coaching staff to turn a new QB over to when they are fighting to keep their jobs....they need day 1 starters...and their O line is trash..perfect match.
6. Colts. CHUBB. The Colts could consider a trade down, but Chubb is on the board...he is who they will stay at 6 for..no trade down again.
7. Bucs. BARKLEY. The Bucs get a present gifted to them here....the impact playmaker they need in the backfield to go with Winston and Evans.
8. Bears. DAVENPORT. Team needs a premium pass rusher....they spent FA dollars on offense.
9. BILLS. Trade up to 9 with San Francisco. The Niners don't see anything here they MUST have and field calls from Arizona and the Bills about this pick. The Bills give up the 12th, keep the 22nd a 2nd and 3rd to do this. ....and they select.....ALLEN. Knowing Arizona was in on him here, the Bills make the move here and get what they hope is their man. (twobillsdrive.com servers will blow smoke)
The rest doesn't matter.
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Couple of thoughts here.....first of all....watching this board IN GENERAL go from being excited about the FA and Draft eligible QB's, and then trading up to 12 to get more ammo for an attempt at a further move up the board....to watching as this board IN GENERAL, fell real concern about the Jets trading up to 3 (legit concern) ......to analyzing the press conference where the GM is clearly trying to temper expectations....to now, where many (not all) of you are now trying to talk yourself into thinking AJ is about to be the next great QB who just needed a shot, ala Brady. I guess you can always hope.
I very much sympathize with your plight....went through 3 decades of similar bull mess in KC.....by choice. ....always signing some other teams castoff because he had "developed" already with them...he was ready to go now...we had not wasted our time and draft picks developing them, we let the 49ers do that for us
(Montana, Bono, Grbac, Smith) ....anyhow, I used to participate in these very same types of conversations. I used to be the guy who thought you could win with just some guy at QB, and build a strong roster around him....hell KC has been the 1 seed in the AFC doing just this very thing. I used to make a passionate argument that Tyler Thigpen would lead the Chiefs to glory! I lost a 50 dollar bet back in 2012 or so when I was sure Thigpen would be the starting QB the next time the Chiefs won a playoff game. After I lost that bet (what a stupid bet!) I began to re evaluate my thoughts about all this. Keep in mind too, that KC has a LONG history of having some of the NFL's best RB over this same period of time. Okoye, Priest Holmes, Larry Johnson, Jamal Charles and now Kareem Hunt.....and here is a list of the QB who beat us every playoffs. Marino twice, JIM KELLY twice, Manning twice, Luck, Brady, Elway, Harbaugh, Mariotta, Flacco, and Stan Humphries. That list has 6 hall of famers in it, for a total of 9 playoff wins against us. Flacco isn't going to the hall of fame, but he beat us on his way to a super bowl win. .....I watched every one of those games....and in ALL OF THEM, the Chiefs had the better, deeper roster than every damn team we lost to. We were lacking at ONE SPOT. I watched Matt Cassel be propped up by the fans, the media, the staff and front office. Todd Haley basically was fired by Scott Pioli because Haley had seen enough of Matt Cassel and Pioli was never going to admit Cassel was someone we needed to move on from. Anyhow....I know what this is like...to be a fan of a team that for whatever reason is stuck at QB....This is what it looks like...the fans don't want to admit the obvious, they don't want to start a season with no hope...after all what is a new season, with training camp and a 0-0 record if not Hope? As Red told Andy...hope is a dangerous thing.....when you don't have a QB. That's exactly the quote too..it's just hard to hear that last part in the movie.
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The Browns aren't drafting Barkley...not at 1 AND not at 4 if he is there....they signed Carlos Hyde to big deal to start. They have a good change of pace back on the roster. The GM is on record putting RB at the bottom of the list of things you need to win...and he has been in charge of, or been a part of drafts for decades where the philosphy was to wait on RB. If the Browns stay at 4 (and I think they will) it is because they will pick a PREMIUM position player. Chubb, or Fitzpatrick...not RB in a RB rich class that they own a ton of picks in. Same reason why they aren't trading out of 4...they have draft capital and they now intend to cash in. The GIANTS drafting Barkley makes more sense. They don't have a bonofide starter on the roster, and their FO isn't opposed to RB high.....and given that it makes some sense and they have a need I still think they are also going QB. Eli is amost toast, they are in position to get his replacement. 2019 is a bad QB draft class and they have no clue where they would even be selecting. This again, is a deep RB draft..they can wait. QB is scarce and it will be even more scarce after this draft. QB 1-2-3. The Bills must hope that the 4th QB in this draft is someone they like.
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34 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:
I hope this is the case. I do like Rosen, Darnold & Mayfield; the only one I would sell the farm for would be Rosen...
Keeping Whaley through last year's draft may have been a terrible idea in hindsight, as that cost us Watson or Mahomes. This move pushed us into going for the QB this year and I just do not see us trading to take the top guy...
Would you trade the 12th Pick, Tredaveon White and a 3rd for Mahomes or Watson? .....Of course you would.
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1 hour ago, kota said:
Who knows AJ or Nate could be the real deal. I would be fine with going with either one as the starter this year.
AJ looks legit. Go see his highlights.
I got some Matt Cassel "Highlights" you can look at too.....he looks GREAT in his "highlights" ....and he's on the open market! If you just look at his "highlights" you'll wonder how this guy was ever allowed to escape New England!
53 minutes ago, Clyde Smith said:We just acquired a young pissed off, hungry, ready to make a name for himself, ready to shift his career into the next gear type player. I am pretty confident that A.j. Is going to hit the field and show his ass. I’m ok with skipping over Qb’s in the draft and just adding key pieces instead.
A.J. = every midling NFL QB that ever graced the roster of an NFL team that missed or didn't try to draft a franchise QB.
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1 minute ago, Looper said:
I disagree - Keenum is on a 2-year deal and taking Allen/Mayfield would give them enough time to get ready for year 3.
If you are drafting a QB that takes TWO OR THREE years, then you shouldn't be drafting that QB. .....and uh Denver has one of those 2 to 3 years to develop guys on the roster already....do a google search for Paxton Lynch scouting reports and read all about 2-3 years....
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1 hour ago, Zerovotlz said:
Some other things to discern from this. Certainly if the Jets dealt with the Colts, they would have called the Giants. Suggests the Giants have identified their choice at 2...whoever that is. ....and they must not think that player will be around at 6. This suggests QB more than anything. Doesn't rule out Barkley. Just says they like someone at 2.
colts GM on record saying they took other calls...didn't want to exit top 10. That doesn't mean they spoke to bills, but it could mean they spoke to Bills, and/or Arizona, and/or Miami maybe...and others not suspected of wanting to go up.
Further suggests that the Jets have either A). at least 3 QBs they rank the same or B) the one they rank higher is the one they must think will be there. That continues to lead me to think Mayfield is their guy as I do not beleive Cleveland or the Giants are in on him. in the case of the Jets....they must be good with Darnold and rosen being gone before 3.
One other item to consider. Any stupid notion the Brown would take Barkley at 1 should be dead now....The Jets didn't go to 3 to take a NON QB. Cleveland would be making a mistake trying to figure out what will happen at 2 and 3 before taking a QB at 4. They simply have no reason at all to pass the QB they want at 1. They are still going to get a very valuable piece at 4. QB 1. Another way to look at it. in picks 2 and 3, you KNOW at least one of those is a QB. (Jets) the 2nd MIGHT be also. If you want Barkley (I do not think they will take Barkley at 4) at 4, he has a 50/50 chance of being there. There is NOT a 50/50 chance at the QB first on your board being there at 4. Browns QB at 1. Bet the house on it.
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Nothing new to add, and it's been said before....but I laugh when people say...I wouldn't take QB X at 5 but if he fell to 24 I would....or better example...he's not worth taking at 7 but I'd do it at pick 15. ??? If you have identified a franchise QB, then the pick at which you take him means NOTHING....the point is that you take him, or get him. there is no such thing as a franchise QB who isn't worthy of any pick in a draft.
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Some other things to discern from this. Certainly if the Jets dealt with the Colts, they would have called the Giants. Suggests the Giants have identified their choice at 2...whoever that is. ....and they must not think that player will be around at 6. This suggests QB more than anything. Doesn't rule out Barkley. Just says they like someone at 2.
colts GM on record saying they took other calls...didn't want to exit top 10. That doesn't mean they spoke to bills, but it could mean they spoke to Bills, and/or Arizona, and/or Miami maybe...and others not suspected of wanting to go up.
Further suggests that the Jets have either A). at least 3 QBs they rank the same or B) the one they rank higher is the one they must think will be there. That continues to lead me to think Mayfield is their guy as I do not beleive Cleveland or the Giants are in on him. in the case of the Jets....they must be good with Darnold and rosen being gone before 3.
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Lots and lots of folks here with some kneejerk reactions to todays trade are getting some things severely wrong as they try and make sense of what is going on.
1. Cleveland. They are taking a QB. I don't claim to know which one, but it will be a QB. The barkley talk at 1 AND/OR 4 is rediculous. They signed Carlos Hyde to a big deal this past week to be the feature back. They have Duke Johnson, one of the few consistant performers on their roster as the 3rd down guy. Doresy has a LONG LONG history of being with front offices that don't take RB high, or when has made the choices himself, has NOT taken RB high. He drafted Kareem Hunt in round 3 last year....his entire careers work and experience indicate that he is clearly in the "you can find a RB later" school of thought. It's a deep RB draft. They aren't taking Barkley at 1, AND they aren't taking him at 4.
2. NY Giants. Everything has a price...and the Giants can demand a ransom here, you would think...but can they really? Barkley is a more obvious fit here, they have a GM who last year spent a 1st round pick on Christian McCaffery. They have a need at RB...but they have plenty of holes to fill, deep RB draft. Consider the 2019 QB class SUCKS. (at least it seems that way now...granted we are a year out, but it's not good) They were all geared up to move on from Eli at the end of last season. They still understand that Eli is just about done as it is even if they aren't moving on just yet. They are in a great position to take his successor. Again, looking forward a year....when the QB crop is lacking and you don't know where you are drafting, they may recognize the position they are in as the best chance to get their next QB. They may well be prepared to have a 2019 in which there is no Eli, no Beckham, and they are starting over....could get a jump on that with the QB now. Let's examine the trade market for this pick. 1QB off the board at 1. Let's assume that is either Darnold or Allen. The Jet's are at 3, willing to move up to 2 if they must to get Mayfield (speculation on my part, but I believe that is their man.) Cleveland with 4, not moving up. Denver at 5. They aren't moving up. They are staying put. So, no trade partner there. 6. Colts. no reason to move up to six after moving out of 3....they are also staying in place at 6 for a top NON QB. Tampa at 7. Not moving on from Winston (nor should they, he's shown enough to continue as the unquestioned starter) 8. Chicago. They have Trubisky. They aren't in the trade up market, and if they were to move up it isn't for QB. No reason to go to 2. 9. 49ers. Garroppolo. 10. Raiders. Carr. 11. Miami. They are sticking with Tannehill...see below. 12. Buffalo. NEED QB. 13. Redskins. Alex Smith. 14. Packers. Rodgers. 15 Arizona. Signed Bradford..but could use drafted QB. 16. Baltimore. Not trading up for QB this year..have Flacco. The trade market is stay in place or move to 12 and picks with Buffalo. Arizona has no ammo.
3. Jets. They will take a QB here....I am almost sure it's Mayfield. They are in great shape if this is their man...the Giants would be the desination for Rosen if they take one. If the Giants can figure out the Jets target, and it isn't the QB they are after, they could fleece the jets to flop spots.
4. Cleveland....could trade out, but if you read the market for the 2nd pick....it's the same market. Cleveland will spend this pick on a top NON QB prospect.
5. Denver at 5. They aren't moving up. Let's look at this closely...it's another team alot of folks here haven't paid close attention to. They signed Keenum for starter money. They have a coaching staff who has THIS YEAR. The GM has been plauged by poor QB choices. Paxton Lynch is still on the roster. They have re-upped their WR's for the next two seasons. They are in WIN NOW mode while they percieve their window is open. They need more day 1 starter help, not developmental QB help. They are NOT a threat to move up now, nor are they a threat to take a QB where they sit. They are in on a top Non QB prospect at 5. They are staying put.
6. Colts. Chose to trade with Jets for a reason...wanting a top NON QB prospect and can still get that here.
Miami just restructed Tannehill...he's there for 2 more seasons, or they take a giant cap hit to let him go.
The Bills are still in line to get a QB...at 12. The Jets move up has settled the situation at the top....the Problem here is the Bills Board. is the QB that will be left, is he "the man?"
speculating that the draft goes 1.Darnold. 2. Rosen. 3 Mayfield. That leaves ALLEN, JACKSON....and Rudolph. It is ENTIRELY POSSIBLE that Buffalo passes at 12 now even, and waits for 21 to see how it shakes out. I am sure Jackson and Rudolph will have made it that far..and possibly even Allen. That leaves the following possible scenarios.
Best Case: at 2, the Giants keep the pick AND take a NON QB. Jet's go Mayfield...that leave Rosen for the taking, and the Bills with plenty of Ammo and all sorts of trade partners to work with to move up and get him.
More Likely Case: Giants don't show their hand, Jets get itchy about their man, fear someone could move up, Giants know Bills have need for Rosen....takes 2 to have a market....they have a market...Bills sell the farm to move up. 12, 21, other picks. Get Rosen.
Alternate Likely Case: Giants convince Jets someone is about to move to 2 and get their guy. Jet's swap with Giants. Jets take Mayfield anyhow. Giants and Bills talk. Bills still pay ransom to move up to 3 for Rosen.
Better Case: Rosen still on board as draft progresses....closer he gets to 12, less ransom the bills pay to move up....perhaps he lasts to 12. Beane is hero.
Not knowing what the Giants think of Rosen and others, and not being sure who the Jets want keeps things cloudy, but the Bills are not in horrible shape, they haven't missed out...and the Jets moving to 3 clarifies the market and allows time to consider options and plan.
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I have tickets to attend day 1 in person. Chiefs don't have a day 1 pick (as of now at least) but I can't wait to see how this whole thing goes down...should be alot of manuevering day 1 for QB etc....can't wait to see it live.