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Something of note here....TWO Bills O-lineman were claimed on waivers. I don't what that says about the Bills line...maybe it's better than anyone thinks...maybe they can't evaluate line talent and cut some guys they shouldn't have? ....I don't know....just saying for a team that had O line problems in the preseason, having TWO of your cut O lineman get claimed is a mystery.
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11 minutes ago, Ittakestime said:
Beane is a disaster of a GM. Been that way since he got here
The good news is that having Peterman, McCarron and Allen at QB right now, means you don't have big money tied up with them so you can absorb some dead money without too much pain. The bad news is, if your GM keeps doing things like this trade, or way overpaying for Star Loltelui, then it won't matter. ....it's still the NFL...and in the NFL the QB is king. if Josh Allen works out, this will be but a minor footnote....but at this point you really really need Allen to work out....he's literally going to be what keeps this regime here and working or fired within the next two years and starting ALL OVER AGAIN.
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I have no idea if they would do it or not, but Green Bay has TWO first round picks next year (they got one from the Saints when New Orleans moved way up to take that pass rusher from San Antonio)
If you are Green Bay, you aren't going to be picking up high in the next draft, and the Saints aren't either. Those are a couple of mid to late round 1 next year. I'd think they'd be strongly considering that....becasue Green Bay is ALWAYS Aaron Rodgers plus one player away.
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On 8/18/2018 at 6:54 PM, aristocrat said:
14 tds 13 picks. 5 fumbles lost. He’s gonna be a turnover machine
If you are going to take box score stats and project those out to how a guy will do in the pros......errr......uh......nevermind.
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2 minutes ago, H2o said:
"Just based off what I saw last year, I think Allen is more talented than Mahomes. I would take him over Patrick Mahomes. I think he's got better feet, quicker feet, he's more natural," Jeremiah said during the latest Move The Sticks Podcast. "He's under center, so in some of those things, he's ahead of Mahomes, but they have the same strengths and the same weaknesses."
Jeremiah wasn't necessarily as big a fan of Mahomes as were the Kansas City Chiefs, who traded up to make the former Texas Tech star the draft's No. 10 pick. In fact, Mahomes wasn't on Jeremiah's final pre-draft list of thetop 50 prospects. Analyst Bucky Brooks sees Allen as less of a developmental project than Mahomes, as well.
"To me, Allen would probably be able to get on the field sooner than Mahomes," Brooks said. "If both guys had to play right now, I think you could probably win more games with Allen, because I think Mahomes is going to have more turnovers." ~ Daniel Jeremiah (from 2017)
For what it's worth Allen is likely going into year one as the starter. You can say it's because he isn't behind a competent vet like Alex Smith and in Buffalo it's a different situation. In many respects you would be right. It also could be that with Allen's skillset and mental capacity he is just more Pro-ready. I'm not saying either are HOF bound and I'm not saying either are destined to be busts of a different nature. Me personally, I wasn't sold on Mahomes as a prospect and regardless of whom his head coach may be I'm still not. One 69 yard pass to one of the fastest men in the NFL during a preseason game doesn't do it for me. Is it encouraging if you're a Chiefs fan? I'm sure it is after dealing with a QB who was typically scared to throw the ball more than 25 yards. It is encouraging for Bills fans the way Josh Allen has handled himself and the strides he has made since his season ended at Wyoming last year. There is a lot involved in this and it can be extremely detailed. Too much to post. We'll let time and the play on the field speak for itself. Truthfully when I started this thread I did so to laugh at all of the Mahomes nut jugglers who would come out of the woodworks in defense of their man-crush. It hasn't let me down, but I can't stop thinking "Only if Jeffismagic was still here."
Either way, carry on gentleman. It is quite entertaining. 
Hurry up and get here regular season!
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30 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:
Or they didn't want to pay him 17m and have him beat out the guy they traded two #1s for.
....Exactly....They didn't want to pay 17 M to a guy to sit on the bench who was going to lose his job to Pat Mahomes. The guy on the bench would be the 2017 "Passer Rating Leader" and a pro bowler. .....That is why we are excited...we beleive we have someone good enough to beat out the NFL passer rating leader, etc. It was exciting drafting him...but everyone is excited when they draft a new QB...if he sucked Smith wouldn't have been traded. Not quite the same as being exicted after 2 pre season games (and yes, the fans in KC were every bit as giddy after 2 Mahomes preseason games as Bills fans are for Allen)
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1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said:
ALLEN GETS THE NOD TO START BILLS' THIRD PRESEASON GAME (1:30)
Chris Mortensen explains that AJ McCarron's injury is not as serious as originally thought, and Josh Allen will be the Bills' starter in Week 3 of the preseason.
.....I count myself as one of those critics....and I will gladly back down if Allen continues to shine when he's playing in a real football game.....you all have every right and every reason to be encouraged....He has looked like a good QB prospect should look so far. I'm just not buying that a guy with his on field history has suddenly been cured of all his ailments after some workouts iwth Jordan Palmer, a training camp, and 2 preseason games....The same coach who had Carson Wentz, should have been able to identify these and fix them...and didn't or couldn't...but now he's suddenly fixed?.....IF that IS the case...then myself and a TON of others will have been completely wrong..PLUS, it would be a major major defeat of the analytics crowd who all say Allen should be a monumental bust.
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21 minutes ago, syhuang said:
Pick any big time QB then from the first round that was supposed to be somebody. Cade McNown...Jim Druckenmiller.....Joey Harrington....pick one or all....I'll go find preseason game summarys for all of them if you want....you are missing my point. Mahomes is playing vanilla defenses, who aren't discguising coverages etc..they aren't gameplanning for him...like every game 1 and 2 of preseason ever. Mahomes has looked pretty good so far....and he should. I still don't think he'll make it (I am just a nobody on a message board with an opinion) ....I'd temper my expectations until I'd seen him against some NFL defesnes who are gameplanning, playing all their starters etc. That's it...I am not saying Mahomes is Leaf or Russel or Jeff George or Jim Kelly, Aaron Rodgers etc....
This would be a great example of IRONY except that instead of fans all speculating etc....the Chiefs front office and staff drafted the guy....then having seen him for a whole year in their system, practices, preseason and 3 quarters of a no implication regular season game.....they made the statement that they have a known quantity when they traded away Alex Smith who still had a year at 17 million left on his contract. The enthusiasm for Mahomes at this point is based on something other than preseason games. The staff told everyone very loudly that know they have something when they moved on from Smith voluntarily.
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3 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:
Dude you've posted all kinds of Leaf stuff lmao
Leaf had the talent to be great, but he was mentally wired wrong. So NO its not comparable. Allen has shown zero signs of being a mental ticking time bomb. Leaf didn't fall apart because the preseason is a false positive barometer to evaluate a QB, he fell apart because he was a self endulged, entitled, lil b*tch who mentally couldn't handle even an interview let alone the pressures of being a starting QB.
Its just utterly lazy to throw names like Leaf and JaMarcus around with regards to Josh. Not only is it lazy, its just flat our total nonsense.
Pick any big time QB then from the first round that was supposed to be somebody. Cade McNown...Jim Druckenmiller.....Joey Harrington....pick one or all....I'll go find preseason game summarys for all of them if you want....you are missing my point. Allen is playing vanilla defenses, who aren't discguising coverages etc..they aren't gameplanning for him...like every game 1 and 2 of preseason ever. Allen has looked pretty good so far....and he should. I still don't think he'll make it (I am just a nobody on a message board with an opinion) ....I'd temper my expectations until I'd seen him against some NFL defesnes who are gameplanning, playing all their starters etc. That's it...I am not saying Allen is Leaf or Russel or Jeff George or Jim Kelly, Aaron Rodgers etc....
1 minute ago, Lfod said:You know it's bad timing. Josh Allen is about to start his first preseason game. The bills fans are hyped. I Don't blame people for being skeptics. It's not a good time to make that argument.
You are probalby right.....I shouldn't be raining on the parade at this time.....seriously...I'd be super STOKED if I were a Bills fan having had no real QB since Kelly and this guy looks good so far.....again....I am not rooting for Allen to fail....I want him to succeed....I'd like the Bills to be a good NFL contender again.
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10 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:
@Zerovotlz you should be concerned about your own QB. Bucky Brooks review and grade for preseason week 2:
Kansas City Chiefs: Patrick Mahomes, QB. The second-year gunslinger is a "wow" playmaker, but he's still a work in progress when it comes to efficiency. Despite a pretty impressive stat line (completed 8 of 12 passes for 138 yards with a touchdown and an interception), Mahomes got away with a few questionable throws that should have been picked off by sticky-handed defenders. Now, he did fire off a 69-yard touchdown throw to Tyreek Hill that was absolutely ridiculous, but the splash play isn't enough to ignore some of the rough patches in his game. Grade: B-
This is a good assesment....Mahomes looked pretty good. One throw was AWFUL. and it was picked. The other near pick, was iffy....the WR (Watkins) should have kept moving....but you could call it either way I guess.....Mahomes had thrown a TD pass the prior play that was called back for a very tacky RT lined up off the line of scrimmage call...but that happens. Mahomes will have some moments that make you bang your head on a wall. We expect that for every one of those, he'll make some plays that make the difference in a game most of the time.....and maybe an occasiona Patomic Bomb.
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Just now, Zebrastripes said:
How am I crapping on this thread? Please let me know.
I think he meant me.
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1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said:
For the last time, people need to drop the Ryan Leaf and JaMarcus Russell non sense...those guys were mental cases, not ever remotely comparable.
I'm not comparing him to those guys, or any other guys....just saying that preseason games are not very good indicators of regular season play for QB.
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If I were a Bills fan, I would also be encouraged by what he has shown so far....because it was what is supposed to be good....the scouting report so far has been right...he looks great in practice...and he's looked pretty good in preseason. He is supposed to shine in these situations.
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1 minute ago, Zebrastripes said:
Then you must enjoy talking out of your backside or you truly don't know what you're talking about.
All I am saying is the scouting report says Allen has physical gifts, and that he struggles under pressure and doesn't make good reads. So far the situations he has been in, favor him being able to showcase his known good qualities...his arm, body, etc....and have not been situations that would do much to test his percieved weaknesses...making reads...working under pressure.
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Just now, 26CornerBlitz said:
Leaf had none of the mental makeup nor work ethic of Josh Allen that differentiates the two. This makes your comparison of 1998 Leaf to the 2018 Allen rather flimsy. Each prospect is should be judged individually for what they are can be. Lazy comparison on your part.
I'm certainly not trying to say Allen = Leaf. My point is that the optimism is based on PRESEASON games. Lot's of awful NFL players have looked good in preseason games when really you are just running a scrimmage on TV......and lots of really good players, have looked bad, shaky, etc.
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There weren’t any apparent opening-night jitters for Ryan Leaf.
The touted rookie quarterback from Washington State came out poised and led two scoring drives – capping one with an impressive 3-yard TD pass to Bryan Still – and the San Diego Chargers beat San Francisco 27-21 in their exhibition opener last night.
Leaf made a few mistakes, like throwing into double coverage at the goal line – Still actually drew a pass-interference call on that one – and not getting off a play in time during the two-minute drill.
Otherwise, Leaf had a better night than Steve Young.
The 22-year-old Leaf, taken with the second pick in the April draft and named the starter for the season on Wednesday, was 14 for 20 for 116 yards.
Here’s another account of his first night:
Ryan Leaf didn’t look at all like a rattled rookie in his NFL debut. Sure, the touted San Diego Chargers quarterback made some mistakes and still has a ways to go in adjusting to the faster pace of the pro game. But was he nervous? Nope. It’s not in his playbook.
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“He throws so accurately,” coach Kevin Gilbride said. “Even though he was late a few times, he put it in position where the only one who could catch it was us. That was the most encouraging thing…. I don’t want to in any way, shape or form make it seem like he’s where he needs to be. Still, he’s able to make plays and that’s what it comes down to. I thought he did that very, very well.” As he has numerous times this summer, Gilbride called Leaf “special.” Running back Terrell Fletcher called Leaf “a fearless player. That’s a big attribute.”
Leaf said the radio receiver in his helmet, which coaches use to call in plays, didn’t work the first two series. He partially winged it, with help from his teammates and quarterback coach June Jones, who told him to have three or four plays down pat to use. “I think he surprised a lot of people with how composed he was,” guard Raleigh McKenzie said. “We went three-and-out the first series, then he got real poised. He knew what to do in there.”
Leaf’s first pre-season start was much better than the man selected one spot before him in the 1998 draft:Watching Peyton Manning and Jon Kitna, it was hard to tell who was the No. 1 pick in this year’s NFL draft. All Archie Manning’stutoring and that extra year at Tennessee couldn’t get Peyton Manning and the Indianapolis Colts past the Seattle Seahawks and Kitna in his pro debut.
After his first pass, a 48-yard touchdown strike to Marvin Harrison on his first series, Manning looked like an ordinary NFL rookie. There was a fumble that teammate Tony Mandarich recovered and an interception to end a series. In Manning’s other four series, it was three-and-out.
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“He’ll learn from his mistakes and he’ll play better,” Colts coach Jim Mora said.Manning admitted: “I need to play a little better. We didn’t move the ball very well.”
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Against Seattle, Manning was 8-for-15 for 113 yards with a touchdown and an interception. He looked confused at times. The NFL isn’t the Southeastern Conference. His father, Archie, a former NFL quarterback, told him that and now he’s finding that out for himself.
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He was intercepted by cornerback Fred Thomas in the second quarter before being replaced by Kelly Holcomb. On the first play of the second quarter, Manning fumbled without being hit, but the ball was recovered by Mandarich.“That was a rare, freak play,” Manning said of the fumble. “The ball just slipped out of my hand.”
But that was just one game. Manning and Leaf met head-to-head in the regular season dress rehearsal known as week three of the preseason:
Round 1 went to Ryan Leaf and the San Diego Chargers. The rematch with the Indianapolis Colts and Peyton Manning will be in October, when it counts.
The meeting last night between Leaf, the second pick in the National Football League draft, and Manning, the No. 1 pick, was only the second time in N.F.L. history quarterbacks picked 1-2 in the draft had faced each other as rookies.
Leaf was 15 for 24 for 172 yards, set up one touchdown and ran for a score as the Chargers broke a 3-3 tie at half and beat the Colts 33-3. It was only an exhibition game, but after a shaky first half, Leaf looked sharp in leading the Chargers.
Manning, playing into the third quarter for the first time in the preseason, was 11 for 21 for 123 yards but twice had passes intercepted.
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1 minute ago, Zebrastripes said:
I take it you must be skeptical of Mahomes as well then.
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On 8/19/2018 at 10:40 AM, 26CornerBlitz said:
Allen Fighting Off Narratives With Strong Start to Preseason - The Draft Network
The Buffalo Bills decision to trade into the top-10 to select quarterback Josh Allen was met with doubt from many, including myself. Given his erratic ball placement in college, combined with sloppy footwork and highly questionable decision making, there was ample cause for concern. Yet, the Bills’ brass was comfortable with his shortcomings and banked on his exceptional physical traits to serve as a strong foundation to grow into an NFL franchise quarterback.So far, so good for the perceived “raw” Allen. Yes, it’s only been two preseason games, but there is a lot to like about what Allen has put on tape to this point, especially considering the concerns surrounding Allen entering the league.After a solid debut last week against Carolina working with the third-string offense, Allen was given the chance to play with the two’s on Friday night against Cleveland. Completing 9-of-14 passes for 60 yards and one touchdown with no interceptions, Allen earned a passer rating of 104.6. He added 18 yards rushing on three carries.There was a lot to like about Allen’s performance against the Browns.Allen is making head coach Sean McDermott’s decision on who to name the Bills’ starter a difficult one, and Allen’s opportunity to be the guy may come sooner than we all expected a few months ago.All well and good...but here read this.
There weren’t any apparent opening-night jitters for Ryan Leaf.
The touted rookie quarterback from Washington State came out poised and led two scoring drives – capping one with an impressive 3-yard TD pass to Bryan Still – and the San Diego Chargers beat San Francisco 27-21 in their exhibition opener last night.
Leaf made a few mistakes, like throwing into double coverage at the goal line – Still actually drew a pass-interference call on that one – and not getting off a play in time during the two-minute drill.
Otherwise, Leaf had a better night than Steve Young.
The 22-year-old Leaf, taken with the second pick in the April draft and named the starter for the season on Wednesday, was 14 for 20 for 116 yards.
Here’s another account of his first night:
Ryan Leaf didn’t look at all like a rattled rookie in his NFL debut. Sure, the touted San Diego Chargers quarterback made some mistakes and still has a ways to go in adjusting to the faster pace of the pro game. But was he nervous? Nope. It’s not in his playbook.
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“He throws so accurately,” coach Kevin Gilbride said. “Even though he was late a few times, he put it in position where the only one who could catch it was us. That was the most encouraging thing…. I don’t want to in any way, shape or form make it seem like he’s where he needs to be. Still, he’s able to make plays and that’s what it comes down to. I thought he did that very, very well.” As he has numerous times this summer, Gilbride called Leaf “special.” Running back Terrell Fletcher called Leaf “a fearless player. That’s a big attribute.”
Leaf said the radio receiver in his helmet, which coaches use to call in plays, didn’t work the first two series. He partially winged it, with help from his teammates and quarterback coach June Jones, who told him to have three or four plays down pat to use. “I think he surprised a lot of people with how composed he was,” guard Raleigh McKenzie said. “We went three-and-out the first series, then he got real poised. He knew what to do in there.”
Leaf’s first pre-season start was much better than the man selected one spot before him in the 1998 draft:Watching Peyton Manning and Jon Kitna, it was hard to tell who was the No. 1 pick in this year’s NFL draft. All Archie Manning’stutoring and that extra year at Tennessee couldn’t get Peyton Manning and the Indianapolis Colts past the Seattle Seahawks and Kitna in his pro debut.
After his first pass, a 48-yard touchdown strike to Marvin Harrison on his first series, Manning looked like an ordinary NFL rookie. There was a fumble that teammate Tony Mandarich recovered and an interception to end a series. In Manning’s other four series, it was three-and-out.
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“He’ll learn from his mistakes and he’ll play better,” Colts coach Jim Mora said.Manning admitted: “I need to play a little better. We didn’t move the ball very well.”
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Against Seattle, Manning was 8-for-15 for 113 yards with a touchdown and an interception. He looked confused at times. The NFL isn’t the Southeastern Conference. His father, Archie, a former NFL quarterback, told him that and now he’s finding that out for himself.
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He was intercepted by cornerback Fred Thomas in the second quarter before being replaced by Kelly Holcomb. On the first play of the second quarter, Manning fumbled without being hit, but the ball was recovered by Mandarich.“That was a rare, freak play,” Manning said of the fumble. “The ball just slipped out of my hand.”
But that was just one game. Manning and Leaf met head-to-head in the regular season dress rehearsal known as week three of the preseason:
Round 1 went to Ryan Leaf and the San Diego Chargers. The rematch with the Indianapolis Colts and Peyton Manning will be in October, when it counts.
The meeting last night between Leaf, the second pick in the National Football League draft, and Manning, the No. 1 pick, was only the second time in N.F.L. history quarterbacks picked 1-2 in the draft had faced each other as rookies.
Leaf was 15 for 24 for 172 yards, set up one touchdown and ran for a score as the Chargers broke a 3-3 tie at half and beat the Colts 33-3. It was only an exhibition game, but after a shaky first half, Leaf looked sharp in leading the Chargers.
Manning, playing into the third quarter for the first time in the preseason, was 11 for 21 for 123 yards but twice had passes intercepted.
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Been fun watching the Josh Allen experience you have going on.
I've been on record from the beginning saying the kid wouldn't succeed. I haven't changed my mind about that.
Of all the QB situations where there is a high rookie pick, Buffalo is the one where the kid you drafted was pretty much the best QB on the roster the second his name was called at the draft. Besides being on record about Allen, I am also quoted throughout this place saying McCarron and Peterson are known commodities of below average nobodies.
I still hope Allen succeeds. I can't help but think that every fan base is too critical or too optimistic about pre season football. I think this applies to Allen as well. No one is game planning against him. He is known to have a hard time with making reads. He is known to struggle under pressure.
The kid has a great arm...everyone knew it from the beginning. He can really sling that ball...and there will be some times when that arm overcomes a bad read etc...
I will remain skeptical of Allen until I have seen him perform against a D that is actually playing their scheme with their starters, gameplanning and all that.
Ryan Leaf had some incredible pre seasons....articles were written about how the Colts had screwed up the pick...all based on a few preseason games. Be Wary.
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If I were the Bills, I would offer my 1 and other stuff to try and get Mack. He is not averse to cold weather, he likes Buffalo, and he is a proven great player, AND you have the cap room for it. IF you can get him, you do it. That said, the Packers are in win now mode, and they are the only team as of right now with 2 1st round picks in the 2019 draft. They may be inclined to offer up both of those for Mack...(I'd do it)
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I have Arizona in a surprise. The Rams are obviously loaded with talent..but they are about to have a locker room full of guys that didn't get paid after having been there a while and guys who just walked through the door and got paid. I have them finishing second due to internal turmoil.
Arizona still has enough talent to compete and EITHER with a healthy Bradford or Rosen, has a QB to compete. The other part of this equation is that I think the other 2 teams in the diviosn, Seattle and San Fran, are not good. I do not think Jimmy G is a franchise type QB....reminds me quite a bit of Matt Cassel. Seattle has a lame duck coach with a further declining D, and a horrible O-line.
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Let me preface this by saying...it is CAMP....we don't know what they are working on, what drill they are doing, what skill they might be working on....we don't know if the coach said the ball MUST go here on this drill or if the D knows the play or not....CONTEXT is very important on these things....and even then...we are talking about CAMP. Preaseaon games when the bullets are not scripted by coaches on your own team and you are matching up and doing some things....is a little better indicator...anyhow....from Chiefs camp today...
One of the picks came after Mahomes drew a defender offsides and had a free play. The defender had a free shot at him, so Mahomes (knowing he had a free play) forced the throw rather than taking a sack, knowing it was win/win. That's not a bad play by the QB at all.
Another pick came on the goal line with Mahomes rolling right. He had a very, very easy path to the goal line (I mean he literally could have walked in) but, as he explained after, since the QB can't be tackled he figured he would just try to throw it in regardless. He stated after practice that he would run that in during a game. So this isn't a play that would literally ever happen in a real game.
The third pick was a mistaken communication that Mahomes said was his fault for calling the wrong play. That's on him.1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:30??? Where have you calculated that number from? And actually plenty of his touchdowns were long throws. He is the only Quarterback Will Fuller has played with in the NFL so far to make him look half decent and for exactly that reason.
Yes...Gunner Bill...I agree with that...especially about Fuller....I just can't get my head around Watson yet....he played really great in the New England and Seattle games..but had alot of good garbage stats as well.......I guess I just can't make up my mind on him yet. I would like to have seen a full season of him since he seemed to be super good at times then not so much at others...(maybe I am just over complicating that he was a rookie and inconsistancy is to be expected?) .....I tend to think that most of the time, after that much of a sample, I can make a decent evaluation .....Watson vexes me.....can't wait for the season to start....So many teams with new generation of QB's ....
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Just now, Aussie Joe said:
1 fumble lost..
He also scored 2 Rushing TD's which I didn't include originally so if we are counting fumbles then we should counting Rushing TDs as well so lets say 47 TD's total.
Every good QB ( and a few bad ones) stats would be padded with "garbage time" TD's and yards over the course of a season..
I would suggest if Mahomes or Allen produce a similar result over the course of this year we would be splooging...
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.....I am really looking forward to seeing Allen in the preseason....just so difficult to get any kind of good read on a guy in camp/practice etc....
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38 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:
Looks like he had 8 ints and 1 fumble in 7 games so is that 20 Turnovers a season?
Also he was on pace for 43 TD's..
Id take that for a rookie season...
He had 3 fumbles...but yeah...on pace for 43 TD.....really interesting to see how that plays out......he had 5 TD throwing VS KC last year....but basically 1 (or maybe 2) of those happend when it was still a game....3 for sure were just garbage time stat padding type of scores...in their game against the Titans..already leading 30-14 in the 4th Q...he threw 3 more TD....They all count..but I'm not sure the stat sheet tells the whole story. (as it often doesn't for many players, situations and games.)
77% were wrong believing our HC wouldn't be fooled by the mirage of preseason, but the Allen Era begins week 2!
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