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Ummm, Al Wyatt, Jamie Nails, and I believe Justin Armor?

Beane's decision to draft Allen is understandable despite him being a high-risk, high-reward prospect. His moves during last season along with solid production from this off-season's signings and beyond should only solidify his position as GM in spite of Allen failing to develop into that franchise QB. That's the point being brought out. The direction that the franchise is moving in won't be determined by Allen's failure to pan out. What the Bills have in place is far greater than Allen.

I was hopeful that Levi Brown would amount to something in the NFL given his numbers at Troy, in fact, my confession in the 'Confession time' thread would probably center around him. But I read somewhere that he was never even given the opportunity in preseason with Chan Gailey as coach, but instead got swamped behind Trent Edwards, Fitzpatrick, and maybe Brian Brohm (?) on the depth chart. So where would he have ever gotten the chance to show promise? Nathan Peterman being granted numerous opportunities is something of a myth. You say it like he was given the starting job without justification four seasons straight. He earned the 2nd string QB role as a rookie and the coaches turned to him when they had to, only turning to him one time with the intent to supplant Taylor as the starter.

That's why I made a point to say players who are consistently a detriment to the their team. The guys in the front office are so likable and I think McDermott is well respected by the locker room; both are firm but both also seem down to earth. That's why Zay Jones has the opportunity to redeem himself after his crazy hotel incident and John Miller the chance to win back his spot despite being a 'Whaley guy'. Don't know if I'm missing anyone but pretty sure you're talking Owa Odighizuwa, Jeremy Kerley and Trent Murphy and the PED suspensions. From what I saw none of them are repeat offenders...so here's to their second chance. As far as Allen not lighting up the MWC... Levi Brown was named Offensive Player of the Year and Player of the Year for the Sun Belt Conference, threw for 4,000 and went 8-0 in his conference. He didn't work out swell. Numbers don't always translate to success at the next level...but your talent level usually does.

Who do you think he missed on?

John Kryk: (Beane) said that Colin Kaepernick would be a distraction John Kryk on his conversation with Bills GM Brandon Beane: "I asked Brandon Beane: 'What's a Buffalo Bills Player?' That's when he went into that they research every person that they draft and they don't want anybody who's gonna be a distraction, and that's when he said that Colin Kaepernick would be a distraction." I think distraction players and underperformers are the types of players they'd prefer to keep distance from. So I think they have a legitimate vision of the culture they're trying to put in place that they stand on. I don't think you necessarily have to be a saint, but if a player continually displays character detrimental to the team and what they're attempting to institute, I think that's when a player will find himself on the short end of the stick. Likely the one of the deciding factors in choosing Josh Allen over Josh Rosen as I stated at the beginning of the thread.

I didn't say if Beane failed to produce by missing on every draft prospect, free agent signing, and trade deal that he should be retained...I was speaking squarely on the Josh Allen pick not working out as planned. Furthermore, an 18-year playoff drought ended year one on the job, says he's already produced. I'm assuming you're likening the business figure in your analogy to Beane and what you believe all his wheeling and dealing will amount to when all is said and done, when you ask why such a figure should be given more opportunity to screw things up? I could only answer that honestly if I felt Beane actually screwed things up, which I don't. I could make perfect sense out of each trade that took place involving Sammy Watkins, Reggie Ragland, Marcel Dareus, Tyrod Taylor, and Cordy Glenn, with Ronald Darby being the only move that puzzled me at the time. I don't consider those moves as stripping the Bills' of its assets; they were moves that were beneficial to the franchise either immediately and/or down the road. The Bills acquired actual assets in the form of draft picks, but as I stated, I don't think a 1st and two 2nd's was a steep price to pay to move into the top 10 for their QB. If my statement about the Bills being pretty set overall is an ignorant one, then you might want to consider yours about the offense being a 'joke' as being equally ignorant, considering that you don't know what type of offensive mind Brian Daboll is, or what the new additions at WR will bring to the party. The O-line has two serviceable guys in Ducasse and Mills returning, along with Dion Dawkins; Ryan Groy was beloved by most in here when he was Eric Wood's backup, and John Miller who was solid as a rookie, is gearing up to return to the starting lineup. Don't forget about Wyatt Teller, who most draft experts, along with the guys at PFF spoke of and rated very highly, will also be at the coaching staff's disposal. Who's to say that the O-line will definitely take a step backwards? Josh Allen's detractors may not have believed Allen to be a good enough prospect that merited a move from the 12th spot to go get, but if he ends up being the best of the bunch, then Beane's maneuvering to go snatch him will obviously be justified. I was as skeptical as anyone after the pick, largely because of his completion percentage in college, but the positive reports he's received early on concerning his accuracy should serve as some encouragement that perhaps Beane knew something that others didn't or chose to overlook.

Were any of the players you guys were enamored with, minus Harrison Phillips, still available from picks 53 to 96? Courtland Sutton (40th) Harold Landry (41st) Connor Williams (50th) Anthony Miller (51st) None of mine were. This is why I don't stress over what was given up to move up in the 1st rd; in my opinion Brandon Beane didn't break the bank. The Bills surrendered Sammy Watkins, Cordy Glenn, the 12th overall pick, 53rd, and the 56th for the chance to grab Josh Allen 7th overall. Far worse on paper than in actuality when you consider that Sammy Watkins was somewhat overrated, prone to injury, probably being paid a lot more than his actual football value and had his potential replacement drafted in the form of Zay Jones; Cordy Glenn was beginning to enter into the same territory as Watkins, despite being the more valuable of the two and the Bills also had his replacement on deck with Dion Dawkins. Both replacements lessening the sting of both departures. Beane is all about getting great value, players who perform, he's all about getting more bang for the buck. So it's easier to understand why he would have taken Josh Allen over Josh Rosen despite the glaring areas of concern that stuck out, such as his accuracy, decision-making, and underwhelming stats versus small-school competition. Selecting Josh Rosen, an oft-injured college player, with what some might describe as personality flaws, would have gone against what seems to be Beane's philosophy for building a winner. Josh Allen: durable, tough, athletic, smart, locker room guy, enthusiastic, coachable, powerful arm. He was easily the safer investment between himself and Josh Rosen. Which leads me to disagree with this notion, that Brandon Beane would be run out of town, should Josh Allen fail to materialize into what he, Sean McDermott, and Brian Daboll envision him becoming. The Bills' roster is pretty set all around with a few areas that could use upgrades here and there and the Bills loss no future picks in acquiring Josh Allen; the present looks pretty good with things primed to only get better. Plenty good would still be intact to see the Bills through and pressing forward should Allen fail to launch, so I have full faith that the Bills organization, the Pegulas---knowing a good thing when they see it---would simply move on from Allen versus cutting ties with Brandon Beane and breaking up the solid working relationship he's displayed with Sean McDermott---as some suggest would be the rightful outcome. So here's to Allen panning out, but if he doesn't, it'll be good knowing the right guys are in place to right the ship. -------------------------------------------------------------- Bills 2018 Free Agent Signings: from ESPN.com Trent Murphy, DE Grade: B. The Bills are upgrading their pass rush but it will come at a cost, as Murphy becomes one of the team's highest-paid players. Kyle Williams, DT Grade: A. As long as Williams can maintain his level of play at age 35, this is a solid re-signing that will maintain some continuity of leadership in the locker room from last season's playoff team. Star Lotulelei, DT Grade: B. Without knowing the details of Lotulelei's five-year deal, it is hard to say whether the contract was worth it, but Lotulelei fills a position of desperate need for Buffalo. Vontae Davis, CB Grade: B-plus. Davis is four years older than E.J. Gaines, who he is projected to replace in Buffalo's secondary, but comes at a more reasonable price tag. Chris Ivory, RB Grade: C. Between Ivory's age (he turns 30 this month), his cost ($5.5 million base value over two years) and his production in Jacksonville, there are reasons to be skeptical about this signing for Buffalo. Jeremy Kerley - WR Marshall Newhouse - RT Russell Bodine - C Julian Stanford - OLB Tenny Palepoi - DT Phillip Gaines - CB Terrence Fede - DE Rafael Bush - S ---------------------------------------- Bills 2018 NFL Draft Josh Allen - QB (1st rd) Tremaine Edmunds - MLB (1st rd) Harrison Phillips - DT (3rd rd) Taron Johnson - DB (4th rd) Siran Neal - DB (5th rd) Wyatt Teller - OG (5th rd) Ray-Ray McCloud - WR (6th rd) Austin Proehl - WR (7th rd)

5.99 per month doesn't sound bad.

You say McCarron winning the starting job vs. being the one who gets traded would the best case scenario... What's the reasoning behind it?

Don't be surprised if Mike Love ends up on the 53 man roster or practice squad. He looks like the edge setter that Lawson is, with the potential to grow into more. Love could have been brought in with potentially moving Lawson in mind. Never know.

If that is transferred to live game action, then I don't think there's much holding him back from being able to lead the offense. Knowing that you can get the ball where you want it to go with more ease, I imagine would cause your confidence as a passer to soar and allow you to focus on those other important things that go towards making a QB, a good QB. Peterman doesn't have poor pocket awareness from what I can tell, he moves well in the pocket to avoid the pass rush, keeping his eyes downfield and scrambling to pick up yards when necessary or when opportunity presents itself. Combine this all with better accuracy and a stronger throw, I think you've got a quality, starting QB.

By Ryan Talbot talbotrj@yahoo.com, Contributing writer Nathan Peterman was one of the Buffalo Bills' biggest surprises of the spring. The quarterback added muscle to his frame following his rookie season and seemed to be throwing the football with more velocity during OTAs and minicamp. ------------------------------------------------------------ from Rochester Democrat and Chronicle The former Pitt standout is smart and looked very good in mini-camp where he showed improved arm strength and accuracy.

Grade: B O-line will be much better than people expect.

That would be some sweet redemption! Didn't even realize that game was on the schedule.

You can say the amount of fans were irrelevant only because of the outcome, if I'm a coach trying to ease a rookie QB into actual game action so that he isn't overwhelmed by a hostile, screaming crowd, then I'm doing it in the stadium filled with just 25,000. The snow game was played at home.

As much as I'm on Peterman's side, I think too much is made out of him playing against the Chargers defense. I honestly didn't even know they had a sack-happy defense until after the game. Perhaps because they didn't have much of a buzz having relocated to a new stadium. Peterman just didn't have a good showing in his first start, but I'm not sure the game takes the turn it did if the first pick off of DiMarco's fingertips doesn't happen. The game started with a simple completion and then another up the field to Benjamin; it seemed as though Peterman was playing within himself and the offense up to the interception. After that, I think Peterman began pressing trying to redeem himself with the impact play. Before the season started last season, I stated that Peterman would probably end up second on the depth chart at QB despite the other more experienced QBs brought in because he looked very comfortable playing under center, in a pro-style offense at Pitt and for putting up solid numbers during his time there. So I feel like it was more McDermott having genuine faith in Peterman being able to handle the responsibility of leading the offense, than simply trying to see if they needed to draft a QB once the season ended. I think that is why people are so dumbfounded as to why Peterman finds himself in the position he's in, being granted the opportunity to win the starting role. McDermott still has genuine faith in Peterman...though some think it blind faith. I actually thought the Chargers game was the perfect game to have Peterman make his first start, they weren't a team on fire up to that point, but more than that he would be making his first start in front of only 25,000 people versus the usual 70,000 plus serving as the Chargers 12th man.

Oh I missed it, great then.

Care to explain?

You probably haven't gotten a response to your question because it's clear that you will disregard whatever is said that is in favor of Peterman. You and others are anti-Peterman. While those who support Peterman are still able to be Pro-McCarron and Allen.

I'm just not a big fan of players who have to 'get the message' before they commit to turning the corner.

I will say this, if Peterman's 49% regular season comp. percentage were attached to each post of yours for accuracy, it would be a fair indicator of your validity as a poster. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aKduBp70kJg Keep working on your half truths...only a percent away.

That's not me reaching. I didn't use words like "superb" or "magnificent" when describing Peterman's preseason performance, I simply pointed out why so many came away impressed with Peterman. He showed poise and that he could move the offense...that doesn't necessarily show when you present a 54% completion percentage as proof.

He did show good accuracy, not with every pass, but he did show accuracy that I feel can be built on. There's a difference between having good accuracy, posting 54% and 49% comp. percentages for various reasons and being an errant, erratic passer. Peterman's not an errant or erratic passer. He wasn't in college and in the pros you can really only point to one out of five games that he appeared in, if you wanted to make the argument that he is. He was praised for being accurate when throwing from a clean pocket, it's when he's been under duress early on that his numbers tended to dip, but with more acclimation to the pro game, I would expect more comfort operating within the pocket and better production.

But Tom Brady... I won't even go there. How about Marc Bulger in the 6th? A pick was actually used on Peterman, what about those who weren't even drafted that went on to have solid careers? Kurt Warner, Tony Romo,... Peterman has his shot.