HoofHearted

To be fair the way we played Sunday made me sick too.

Well lets not talk crazy!

When it rains it pours!

You can disagree all you want, but I'm telling you what happened. Gabe settling where Josh threw it makes no sense based on the coverage they got. It's MAN TO MAN after 8 yards with a corner outside leverage! So why tf would Gabe settle and let the corner play catch-up instead of continuing to run AWAY from the corner on the post. C'mon man it's not that hard. Nothing is ever Allen's fault around here lol. EDIT: Same concept here - Double Post - Coverage is 0 so the throw goes to #2 as the receiver presses his toes and crosses face but watch the throw - low and outside when Allen is trying drive the throw.

You completely misinterpreted what Allen said. Bills ran Double Posts vs Quarters which should be a quarters beater since the Safety will go with the Post by #2 and the corner is then responsible for #1 man to man. They got the exact look they wanted from the defense for the called concept. Gabe should win on the Post every time because the corner is playing outside leverage on #1 in quarters so as soon as you take away the Safety there is no longer help inside. Smith was not over Gabe - Josh said he felt that he WAS in a position to make a play if he threw the post ball over the top to Gabe and so he tried forced it (I believe he used the word “drive”) into the window but threw it behind. Based on the concept and the coverage there should have been no route conversions. Go listen to it again. EDIT: I think you got hung up on “took the over” - the “over” being referenced is the Post being run by, I believe, Morris. Smith isn’t “covering deep” he’s playing the Post by #2

Double Post is a Quarters beater. They had the perfect concept dialed up for the coverage they got. Josh just threw a dud.

Sure, choice routes. Read one defender and the route adjusts based on what they do. There's nothing on the double post that would adjust that route. Choice routes are designed to take advantage of leverages and cushions and put you in the best possible position based on what the defense is doing. Vikings were playing split coverage - Quarters to the boundary and Two to the field. Safety going with the Post by #2 clears the window for the Post by #1 behind it with the corner playing outside leverage. There is nothing that should change Davis from running his Post there.

Yeah, he looks horrible here. I assume you think this is "shotgun draw" as well?

Also with Edmunds... 😄

I'm just picking at the notion that every run out of shotgun is a "shotgun draw" to some around here. We do not run them very often.

We hardly ever run draws. Just fyi.

That's true - the tackle eligible stuff is good down there as well, but not something you can rely on week in and week out.

Yeah, that's pin & pull. We've seen it some thing year. Dorsey seems to like naked bootlegs a lot more in those short yardage situations which allow Allen to have a two way go (throw or pull it down and run). Obviously that doesn't work within the 10 though. I'm all in for QB run game - guarantees you're +1 in the box - should be yards every time.

Power or Pin & Pull? Daboll used to run Q pin & pull a lot down there. Shoot run all of it - Q Power and Q Counter to get some misdirection and mix in some Q pin & pull as well.

That's not what Josh said in the presser. He said it was a double post, safety took the first post, but Josh felt he was in a position where he (the safety) could stop if he threw it over the top to Gabe so he tried to drive it.

Your initial inclination was correct. It was a screen to Knox.

I dunno - I think it's more so a really smart play by Peterson. Lean McKenzie out of bounds - he's now no longer eligible to touch the ball (also heads up by McKenzie to stay out so Josh doesn't throw to him - remarkably stupid to be in that situation in the first place...) - which now allows Peterson to pull himself off coverage and play Josh's eyes. The inexcusable part is that he just stood there and watched Peterson return it. EDIT: It's also still extremely frustrating that we couldn't take advantage of the blown coverage on third down... It doesn't get any easier than that.

I'm not - though I don't think anyone predicted they'd get off to this good of a start. Daboll is a relationship builder and people can say whatever they want about that, but it matters in this game. If you don't like the person you're working for then you have no shot. He's also smart. Smart enough to know what his players do well and what they don't do well and willing to bend and mold what he does schematically to fit their skill sets. He's a players coach through and through - that team is playing hard for him.

50 carries a game isn't what you want either, though I understand your point. Our problem is we have no balance - and when I say balance I mean from a touches standpoint from our skill players. Our offense runs through Josh and Diggs - that's it. If we spread the ball around more it would alleviate a lot of the pressure on those two guys and make us a hell of a lot more efficient as an offense and forces defenses to defend the entire field. We will never be a dominant run offense - we're not built for it - so game plan around that. Use the screen game as an extension of the run game. It seems we're extremely reluctant to do so even though we have two guys who should be really good at it in Diggs and McKenzie with how twitchy they are. One of my favorite Mike Leach quotes about balanced football: "Now, what is balanced is when you have five skill positions ... if all five of them are contributing to the offensive effort in a somewhat equal fashion, then that's balanced, but this notion that, if you hand it to one guy 50 percent of the time and then you throw it to a combination of two guys the other 50 percent, that you're really balanced ... you probably pat yourself on the back and tell yourself that, and people have been doing that for decades. Well, you're delusional."

I know based on the other routes in the concept. Football is not complicated.

It’s not backyard ball. You can’t just make stuff up on the fly. The concept was double post. Gabe ran a post. It’s okay to admit Josh threw a bad ball.

My point was to show you we do have misdirection in our offense since you said you’ve never seen it. Glad I could open your eyes for you my guy!

Bro, he was behind the receiver!!! By definition this is out of phase! 🤣

Come on man… people are that lazy? ”Many people mistakenly called this face guarding, but there is no rule against face guarding in the NFL. The defender doesn't really have to turn and look for the ball as long as he doesn't forcibly contact the receiver.” it’s the first thing that pops up if you Google it… and he was out of phase - this conversation is pointless though.

A missed tackle, but that’s not something that you can adjust in-game like I said. It’s taught over a period of time. I don’t know how to make it any more clear to you that if a DB is out of phase with a receiver they are taught to play through the receivers hands. If you don’t want to agree with me then that’s fine, but that’s literally what they are taught. Also faceguarding is not a thing.