Matt_In_NH

Here is what Welker did, almost all of it with Brady, you tried and put him in as Mannings receiver and it was not a mistake. If that does not show how one side you are I dont know what would. Here are his NFL records. NFL records[edit]Most seasons with 100+ receptions: 5[30] Most seasons with 105+ receptions: 5 Most seasons with 110+ receptions: 5 Most seasons with 115+ receptions: 3 Most seasons with 120+ receptions: 2 (tied with Cris Carter) Most consecutive seasons with 110 receptions: 3 Most games with 10+ receptions: 18 (tied with Andre Johnson) Most games with 11+ receptions: 12 (tied with Marvin Harrison) Most games with 12+ receptions: 9 Most games with 13+ receptions: 5 Most games with 15+ receptions: 2 (tied with Jason Witten and Brandon Marshall) Most games with 10+ receptions in a season: 7 (tied with Andre Johnson) Fastest receiver to have 500 catches with one team (New England Patriots) (70 games) Longest touchdown reception: 99 (2011 vs Miami Dolphins) (tied with 12 others) Most receptions of any undrafted free agent in NFL history: 903 Most career punt returns without a touchdown: 264 Most career punt return yards without a touchdown: 2,584

HAHA...exactly

The fact you list Welker as a WR Manning had is kind of ridiculous, He was not even on the Broncos when they won the SB and you would never even have mentioned him if not for what he did with Brady. I think you are valuing "HOF" receivers to be a lot more important than they actually are. I see that all the time on these forums where it seems like the only position people want good players at is WR and if you dont have that you dont have a chance, not true. The Pats show you that. Jerry Rice is the exception, he was remarkable. While Harrison and Wayne are HOF worthy, that is a product of Manning, I bet they dont make the HOF if they played somewhere else, like say Buffalo. The Pats have a different offensive philosophy that does not favor having one or two great WR's. In all of Brady's Super Bowls he had talent to throw to. Again, just to restate, I think Brady has to be favored over Manning in this debate, I just think it is closer than you obviously feel.

Mannngs record in cold weather is really bad. However, warm weather teams/dome teams generally do poorly in the cold, if you want to take that to mean Manning could not play in the cold, I guess you can but I dont agree. It more a product of the team/ the climate they live and practice in than "he cant play in the cold" IMO. Manning played pretty well at Tennessee in college which gets cold at the end of the year. Pretty much every time Manning "played in the cold" he was on the road which is generally a disadvantage than playing at home. Look at the stats of Brady Vs Manning, overall, 11-6 in favor of Brady but 10 of the 17 games were played in Foxboro so the win/loss percentage is pretty much in line with location of the game. Manning was 3-1 vs Brady in AFC Championship games, 3-0 in his home field so I think that shows he also has an advantage playing at home.

You are helping to prove my point, a dome/warm weather team is at a distinct disadvantage in a cold weather market. Do you disagree with that?

I disagree with a lot of your conclusions. The weather Brady plays in is an advantage not a disadvantage. Brady has had plenty of talent at WR/TE/RB over the years. He is a different QB than Manning altogether and relies on TE's and slot WR's over traditional wideouts. Who had the GOAT HC? Brady

I definitely give Brady and the Pats a lot of credit. Its even worse when you realize its 10 or 11 AFC Championship games in 15 years. Where Brady truly stands alone is win loss record, regular season and playoffs, he is a complete outlier from anyone else in history. Totally ridiculous. But that is giving all credit to the QB which is one part of a big team. Who would you rather have as your coach, Belicheck or Caldwell, Fox, Kubiak, Dungy. All told, he had 5 coaches in his career I believe, Brady has had the benefit of the greatest coach of all time his whole career.

I get what you are saying and there is truth to it but winning in the playoffs is a hard thing. You have to give him credit for his total body of work. Those 9 times were years his team made the playoffs, plus all the others where he advanced. His team made it to 4 SB's with 4 different coaches. In all cases that is the only SB for the head coach. Brady has Belicheck If you look at Bradys post season stats as compared with regular season since 2005 you see a pretty big drop off just like Manning if you look at TD's/INT's, rating. Both QB's are 2-2 in the SB since 2005. I say since 2005 because the teams Brady was on in 2001-2004 were very different, Brady's role on those teams was very different. Manning played Brady 4 times in the AFC Championship game and won three. People don't seem to know that stat, instead there is this perception that the Patriots owned Brady in the playoffs which is not true. Since 2005 they have played pretty even but Peyton was 3-0 in the playoffs. Having said all that, I would say Brady is better than Manning. I just think there are arguments in Mannings favor and its not as lopsided as a lot assume.

Im comparing to the 90 not 70's or 80's. Sports science is always progressing but they had nutritionists and were very big strong and fast. There have been much larger changes in rules than there have been changes in nutrition. Other positions are not experiencing the same longer careers.

The amount of big hits QBs take today is way less than in the past. No matter how much faster, stronger and bigger defenders are now, they cant and dont take the shots on QBs that used to be allowed. The great QB's are making it to 40+ years and still playing at a high level, that never used to happen cause they would be disabled.

It is hard to compare the different generations but I agree that rule changes have made it possible for QB's to 1) almost never lose time to injury and 2) Play into their low 40's. QB's can stand in the pocket and throw the ball knowing defenders will go out of their way to NOT hit them after the release. Bruce used to take 2 steps and crush Marino play after play. Those hits took a physiological toll that only happens today if you are getting to the QB before the release. A couple facts about Peyton: He faced Brady 3 times in the AFC championship game and won all three. Also, he went to 4 super bowls with 4 different coaches who were coaching in their only super bowl of their careers. Compare that to Brady who is with arguable the greatest head coach of all time. Having said all that, I think it is sitll reasonable to argue Brady is the best ever, but it is not indisputable by any means.

Wood could play quite a few more years. Not sure why we are quick to show him the door.

Gilbert sucks

There is gonna be a big opportunity for a little known WR to have a lot of playing time in Buffalo at WR, hopefully someone steps up big.

And Jamie Collins

Waste of time.....actually even worse because you would not address WR enough to account for when he gets banned for life 2 months after you get him.

I am thinking it will be a WR

I was assuming those three would not be returning since the season ended. I am fine with Gilmore leaving, he is good when he wants to be but he does not always want to be. Robert Woods is a big loss. Aaron Williams wont be playing any more football, at least that is what I think.

They get a second round pick for 18 million bucks on this years cap. Plus whatever upside Osweiler has.

Was he welcome before he went to prison?

He absolutely had the type of passion and desire you want all your players to have.

I am just saying the the Bills could not assume they have Aaron Williams at safety next year. He could try and come back to get the money to end up on IR, He could end up on IR again. You are better off moving on, knowing you have a need to address that assume you have him and then have to deal with no safety for most of the season. The draft is supposedly very deep at safety. They need multiple....and moving on from Aaron does not change that.

Already was, we could not assume Aaron Wiliams would be play and stay healthy, it was already a need. This is the right move.

Tough dead cap hit but its the right move.

IF all is equal then yeah, throw lots of money at him and most of the time the player will take the extra money. Not saying that is a good idea but in general money talks.