transplantbillsfan

Yes I think they will

How much do you think Haack will understand he's getting paid despite not being able to make the team?

Why did we sign Haack????

I mean... he sure fits the athleticism mould McBeane looks for. And 5 sacks in the 8 games he started after all the Washington trades are impressive.

That was easy... thanks for proving my point We all get things wrong. It's the human condition.

Did every one have 2 All-Pro starters knocked out most of the year and another HOF starter who was still clearly hampered by an injury the year before? Actually... 2 All-Pro starters and one Pro-Bowl level starter. Forgot about Tre White, who was back to form to start the season. Monken already had a full offseason to prepare and implement his own offense. These 2 situations aren't the same and you know it. This wreaks of someone just desperately trying to win an argument hoping no one blows down his Straw Men. Again... no. You're comparing apples and oranges, but especially with that Monken comparison you're just painting the orange red and hoping no one takes a bite. Monken was hired as OC 7 months before the 2023 season. Brady became interim OC 2 months into the season. Comparing those 2 and using that as one of your primary arguments is where your house of cards falls apart. I see that you named terms for yourself, but never gave me any... what am I supposed to do? EVERYONE, I WAS 100% WRONG ON TRE WHITE ABSOLUTELY BEING ON THE BILLS ROSTER IN 2024!!! There ya go

It weak. And again you just seem to latch onto singular ideas rather than bigger picture stuff. Was that you I offered the bet to? And you never took it... too bad Every Super Bowl winner gets a lot of luck.

Hmmm... did I say young players getting better was the only reason? You seem to be latching strictly to that. Getting a healthy Von, Jones and Milano back is huge, as well. I'd say adding 3 now healthy players in 2024, 2 of whom were playing at game-wrecking All-Pro levels early last season and the other who was basically playing at that level up to the end of 2022 is a pretty big upgrade from 2023. And everyone needs to spare me the "Von is done" argument. I know right now @GunnerBill is arguing that the chances that Von Miller isn't totally shot is something like 5%. It's a ridiculous argument. Torn ACLs aren't oil changes. Players constantly say they don't feel back to themselves until their 2nd year back. Yes, there are exceptions, but that’s all they are. Just ask Tre White. Also, the Bills traded for Rasul Douglas halfway through the season and now he'll have a full offseason with the team. Same idea basically goes for Ty Johnson who came in late and didn't get the opportunity to play for awhile. Heck the same theory goes for Joe Brady. We all liked what he did when he had to pivot on a dime into the OC role while using someone else's playbook. Now he gets an entire offseason to examine the weapons he has and figure out how to best utilize him. And Brady isn't an unknown commodity as an Offensive Coordinator like Dorsey was... he has experience and he has success. What I sense you're doing right now is just moving the goalposts. It seems before you were arguing that the Bills roster will be worse, but now you're saying that sure, they might be better, but so will everyone else. Is that your argument? If so... and if you're latching to the "young guys developing" or "another year of chemistry with Josh Allen" then I count 4 rookie contract players (3 starters and 1 rotational guy who I think is about to be used as an X-factor) who are almost guaranteed to be better (Shakir, Torrence, Kincaid, & Bernard... and frankly I'd probably put Elam in this bucket) and 3 others who already played at a really high level in 2023, but I also think are very likely to be better (Bernard, Benford & Brown). Are you sure you can find 7 similar rookie contract players on other teams? And again... that wasn't my only cause for improvement.

The Bills are making moves. Ty Johnson back upgrades our RB corps from the beginning of the year considering how late he joined us last year. I think Curtis Samuel brings some serious juice to a meh WR corps along with a lot of creativity. Watched his highlights because I've never really watched him before. In particular I watched the year he was with Joe Brady in Carolina. Truly is Deebo light. Ran multiple times and for multiple TDs out of the backfield. Although I still think/want a WR early in the draft, I think our WR corps has already been upgraded with the subtraction of Gabe, Harty and Sherfield and the addition of Hollins and Samuel. One week into FA... this is pre-draft and with Blackmon currently visiting and a bunch of CAP space cleared, here's very simply the way I'll assess every position. Is it "better" or "worse" overall at this very moment. Better vs worse is NOT only determined by personnel, though. It's also determined by experience & chemistry building (like for Bernard, Cook, Shakir, Kincaid, & Torrence) and health (Josh, Milano & Jones) Feel free to disagree Coaching- BETTER QB- BETTER RB- BETTER (even if we only had 2, which we won't) TE- BETTER WR- BETTER OL- undecided (I honestly lean towards better, but I know I'd be called a homer. Center and LG are question marks, but I also think the right side of the line will be better) DE- BETTER (Already know I'll get pushback here based on Von. I will disagree. I really think Jonathan and Kline would be fine at #4 & #5 DT- WORSE (based on depth) LB- BETTER CB- BETTER SAFETY- WORSE (but honestly... if Blackmon signs and it's Blackmon and Rapp I lean better) PUNTER- same KICKER- BETTER Special Teams- worse So without a draft or a bunch of offseason acquisitions, unless you disagree with those assessments (and I embrace the discourse), I fail to see how this team will be worsenin 2024, barring significant injuries to its most important players.

Watched his highlights because I've never really watched him before. In particular I watched the year he was with Joe Brady in Carolina. Truly is Deebo light. Ran multiple times and for multiple TDs out of the backfield. Although I still think/want a WR early in the draft, I think our WR corps has already been upgraded with the subtraction of Gabe, Harty and Sherfield and the addition of Hollins and Samuel.

That would obviously be for Odunze... maybe Nabers. In 2011 when the Falcons traded up from 27 to 6, they gave up 5 draft picks: 2011 1st, 2nd & 4th round picks and 2012 1st & 4th. I know Beane loves trading up, but I absolutely can't see that happening. The outside outside thing I wonder about is Daboll, Schoein and the Giants sitting there at #6. How much does Daboll like Diggs? Would it be possible to rework Diggs's contract so it would be possible to trade him as part of a package that doesn't consist of an early draft pick next year? I absolutely don't think it happens because I really believe McBeane still think Diggs is a #1 and they're trying to retool this year while still winning, but that’s the only scenario I see where this is a non-zero chance.

I thought it was hilarious! John Cena's best work and the stuff involving William H Macy was Gold!

Guys... just ignore him. What Diggs does isn't any different than what Dion did with his contract. Diggs just likes playing the long game. Diggs is a Bill in 2024 and based on the Dead CAP 2025, too.

Interesting. Is Gabe a relative? Some of the miscommunication plays may have been somewhat on Josh, but objectively the VAST majority of plays involving miscommunication in 2023 were between Josh and Gabe. I can't find the advanced stats and I think Joe Marino finds them through a paid PFF subscription, but Josh's passer rating this year was AWFUL when targeting Gabe. It was in the low 70s if I remember correctly from his podcast. Go ahead... pin all of that on Josh... it'll say a lot about you

Yeah it would be the same pre-McBeane. Not anymore, obviously We all felt that way when we brought Jordan Poyer in as our SS. Look at Sean McDermott's history coaching Safety. You don't have to trust him. I do. Tua is still their QB, right? And??? Samuel plays all over the place.

Nah... it's an issue of utilization. Shakir wasn't utilized much at all in the first half of the season. Then he was. Everyone knows what Gabe is... it's not like we had to discover he was a _________ player. Who was better over the 2nd half of the season. Not even an argument, right? That and the inability to be on the same page with Josh, which I was more disappointed in this season. There are multiple interceptions and missed big plays including TDs from 2023 that were on plays where Josh and Gabe clearly weren't on the same page.

Career reception % when targeted Gabe: 54.5% Shakir: 75.4% And if you want an argument about context regarding recency, here are those same stats just for 2023: Gabe: 55.5% Shakir: 86.7% Gabe's biggest problem from day 1 has been drops. As we saw this past year, it's also a lack of connection with his QB. Happy he's gone.

In this draft a round 2 WR might still be a future #1. I could see guys like Legette, Coleman and Franklin being picked up in the 2nd by Buffalo. Deep draft. Round 1 or 2 and we should all be excited.

Nah, Shakir is already better. And PLEASE don't spew out stats without context in disagreement

Honest question: do you ever listen to national sports media??? Wait, better question: do you pay attention to what the national sports media says about team rosters outside of the stars??? Do it from now on. They make so many mistakes so often that you can tell the wide, vast majority of them don't know much. Too many slip ups on things like play style, strengths and weaknesses of players that you'll almost miss if you aren't paying attention.

Serious contributor doesn't mean they have to start. Buffalo rotates its DL a ton so you're probably going to expect a rookie DE and rookie DT. That's 2. Then it'll be a rookie WR. That's 3. Rookie short yardage RB to round our the trio. That's 4. Maybe a rookie Safety would be 4. So that would be 2 starters and 3 guys who are "depth" but serious contributors. And totally disagree this roster is guaranteed to be worse. With the Samuel signing now our WR corps is already better. And we'll still get one of those early. Wow, Gabe got signed by the Jacksonville Jaguars. You're right... that's a stellar organization with a long history of great decision, making he got signed by. We made a mistake letting him go

Are any of the contract details out?

No

This thread is irritating because it's obviously not accurate

Honestly... I stand by that. I wish we did trade Gabe and just let Sherfield roll in as the #2 because we would have had all the blocking and Sherfield's catch % throughout his career has been much higher than Gabe's. I can't remember if it was a Sherfield interview I was listening to or a podcast but there was some frustration on his part in his lack of use in the offense. He got very few reps throughout the year. But did you notice how our offense started humming after Gabe got hurt against Pittsburgh and Sherfield came in???