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Yeah... don't know who in the world could have seen Allen as the guy getting the most hype.

You actually know who the top 5 members in rep points are? Maybe more importantly... you actually care who the top 5 are? ---------->>>

This was the first video I think I watched right after we drafted him... I posted a thread the day after round one with it in there talking about how much the reason I like Allen now is really the kid and the story rather than anything he put on tape in college. That thread got merged with the Round 1 Josh Allen pick stuff... no biggie. That video is awesome... really makes him seem like the perfect fit for WNY. But in terms of football related stuff, it was my first realization as to how late a bloomer he was... thus coming to understand part of why he went so under the radar in terms of College scholarships. I think it was a different interview, but dude was like 6'0 and 180 lbs as a Junior in HS, 6'2 and 185 lbs as a senior, and according to the interview below (which has a ton of other interesting stuff in it) 6'4 and 200 lbs when he got to Wyoming. Interview also talks about him being a multi-faceted 3 sport athlete who was able to throw a 92 MPH fastball as a Senior in HS.

Well this is news to me, if true. I probably would have braced myself for this pick much earlier if I knew he said that. Vigorously, considering he might have been able to get either one if he just stayed at 12, or waited til one was picked and then traded up to 10 for the other. See... I really wish I knew this... we're people talking about it here?

Well, they also both have reported personality problems, but I know you don't really seem to believe a team would take a prospect like Rosen or Mayfield off their boards for that reason. I'll tell ya this, after listening to all of Rosen's interviews immediately after getting drafted (not just the TV one but also the radio broadcasts), he was off my board... of course it was conveniently after the fact

Or, better yet, if you don't need to read hundreds of words, why supply an answer at all?

Well... if Rosen was truly off Beane's board, it certainly seems that his persistence in trading up to #7 and trying to trade up to #6 and #5 was obviously in order to get Allen, but also not to be stuck with the possibility of Rosen or Rudolph even lower. Good God, imagine if we ended up stuck with Rudolph at 22.... Oy!

I didn't even know about Mayfield's concusssions. Interesting. Maybe with injury issues he saw in Carolina with Cam and briefly in Buffalo with Taylor have really taken guys with injury histories off his board for good reason. Had to look up "TLDR" again... Is there a reason you posted in this thread if you didn't bother reading? Just have to keep crankin those posts out, huh? Yes, I realize reading a lot would take away from all that quality posting you do. Same amount of time on this board as me and nearly 10,000 more posts... you're doing such a splendid job

Well... I think they preferred Darnold, but yeah, I think Allen was #2. But in a draft where 4 QBs went in the top 10 and were considered by many to be legitimate top 10 prospects, it's interesting that Beane, who was on record time and time again saying how much he valued his draft picks, still chose to give up those valuable assets to get one of them when 2 of them were still on the board and he could have given up less... or possibly none at all.

Welp... I'm sorry... I'm not in here all moments of the day. Actually, I haven't had the chance to be in here talking Bills football as much as I used to for months now. I followed protocol. I literally scrolled down to the bottom and looked at the thread titles of the first 3 pages and didn't see the topic. If it's been talked about for many days now, that thread wasn't in the first 3 pages after I read the MMQB and thought about posting it.

Where did Beane say something about Rudolph at 22?

Okay I vaguely remember Gunner's post. I was mainly thinking about this as I read Peter King's MMQB today and saw the Bills were trying to trade up with the Colts. If Rosen was legitimately off Buffalo's board, then I think the persistence of trading up while Arizona was reportedly also trying to do that for the same QB is pretty telling... I also think Arizona's changing narrative of now suddenly claiming they liked Rosen more than Allen is entertaining. https://www.revengeofthebirds.com/2018/5/8/17329316/the-arizona-cardinals-were-never-in-on-josh-allen-because-of-the-price

Searched through the first 3 pages... didn't see a thread this would be merged with. So sorry for the trouble.

Brandon Beane actually recounts all of this in terms of the trades and attempted trades almost two weeks ago now to trade up from 12 to get a QB. It's in an article by the Buffalo News, but is, unfortunately, behind a paywall. But even before that article, reports were wide-ranging now that the Bills had a deal in place to trade up to #5 with the Broncos. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/heres-the-draft-day-trade-the-bills-and-broncos-had-in-place-before-bradley-chubb-fell/ And we all know they eventually traded up to #7 with the Bucs (a deal that apparently nearly didn't happen after Beane made an offer and the Bucs GM passed, but then he called Beane back just as they were getting on the clock), but Peter King reports this week in his MMQB that Buffalo legitimately was trying to trade with the Colts, too. http://amp.si.com/nfl/2018/05/07/peter-king-sports-illustrated-nbc-mmqb?__twitter_impression=true • The Bills moved from 12 to seven in the first round to get Josh Allen, and they tried to move from 12 to 6. The Colts, at six, did a great job disguising their intentions, because the league thought GM Chris Ballard wanted Roquan Smith there. But the Colts’ research showed their quarterbacks being hit more than any other quarterbacks in football since 2012. So sure-fire guard starter Quenton Nelson had been locked in for a while at six, and Ballard got the last prospective early interior-line starter on their board at 37, Auburn guard Braden Smith. Interesting that in his pre-draft press conference Ballard said the offensive and defensive lines are how they’ll build this team, and in the first two rounds, he took two guards and two defensive ends. Maybe those useless press conferences are worth something after all. Anyway, when the Bills called Ballard, he didn’t have much interest, because he wanted Nelson so bad as a shield for beaten Andrew Luck. So, Beane was, by his own account, ready to move up to #5 for sure and even had that deal in place before the draft, pending whether the Broncos guy (Chubb) was available or not. Clearly Beane was also trying to get higher, but wasn't willing to give up any future picks, which I'm guessing is what Dorsey at #4 and Gettleman at #2 was asking for. Based on some of his cryptic responses in that Buffalo News article in response to the question of where Allen was on his board, I think it's pretty clear that Darnold was #1 and Allen was #2. But my question is: how much of a drop from Allen to Rosen was there? Of course, this is just an educated guess, but I'd say if it went #1- Darnold and #2- Allen... do you think Rosen was even ranked #3 on the Bills board or do you think he was completely off the Bills board, whether for durability or personality concerns? Whether Rosen was completely off Buffalo's board or not, I don't know. But if Allen and Rosen were ranked even closely together, I don't think the mad scramble to get to #5, then #6, then #7 would have happened... and Benjamin Allbright also reported early this week that Arizona had been trying to get to #5 for Allen. https://twitter.com/AllbrightNFL/status/992792690600407040 There was no deal in place pre draft between Denver and Arizona. Arizona had called to inquire, but Denver had a deal in place with Buffalo (as we reported prior to the draft). Denver backed out of that deal to select Bradley Chubb. Both Buffalo and AZ were after Josh Allen at 5 So, knowing the price we paid and would have also been willing to pay going up to #5 and the picks we could have saved if the difference between Allen and Rosen were negligible, do you think our trade up to draft Allen is more a sign of how much Buffalo likes Allen or how much Buffalo didn't like Rosen?

Part of the reason Peterman got absolutely rocked is that he doesn't have an NFL arm and had serious trouble actually making NFL throws even from a clean pocket. Allen has an NFL arm... and then some. And Allen isn't just a statue in the pocket either. I think comparing Allen to Peterman is off base. As for Edwards... call his career simply shook by a single hit from Adrian Wilson. PS... why has the last page or so turned into a Tyrod Taylor discussion? Is he a Buffalo Bill anymore? Who cares that Cleveland's Head Coach is choosing to bench his high 1st round QB for a vet QB... it doesn't mean that's the right move for the Buffalo Bills.

Considering that all of this is based on his college tape over the last 2 years and, supposedly, Allen and Palmer have fixed a lot of these issues, I expect Allen to start earlier than midseason... likely week #1... PS: This is Joe B's most thoughtful/thorough work I think I've ever read. I hope this is indicative of a massive chip on his shoulder so he can continue to autocorrect all these "pre-draft flaws" that he claims and we hope have been corrected. One thing's for sure... with his buddy/offseason QB Summit competitor Darnold now in the same division and in a significantly larger media market, that chip on his shoulder can be nourished healthily for the next decade PLUS with almost inevitably more national attention going to the guy in NYC.

This is such a friggin comprehensive and thorough article, I don't think it should have been merged, but whatever. It's gotta be the most thoughtful thing I ever read from Joe B. I actually went back a couple times to see if he actually wrote it. Considering that all of this is based on his college tape over the last 2 years and, supposedly, Allen and Palmer have fixed a lot of these issues, I expect Allen to start earlier than midseason... likely week #1.

I won't be upset if McCarron starts, I just think his likelihood of starting depends more on Allen losing the job than on McCarron winning it. If the difference between McCarron and Allen is negligible, with McCarron being even slightly ahead, I think Allen will start for the sake of that invaluable on-field learning. If Allen continues the reported trajectory he's been on since his last game at Wyoming with his improvements on mechanics and footwork--which have been considered his biggest weakness--then I think Allen will be a lot further along than all those folks saying he needed to sit a full year were saying and would become the favorite to win the starting job. I rescind my argument that Allen should start week 1 if this apparent repair of his mechanics and footwork doesn't stick... but he and Palmer and others seem to believe he's fixed them or is in the process of fixing them with continued reps for muscle memory's sake.

Yeah... he might... I don't think by much if at all, but he might.

Do you suspect he has much of a chance showing he's much better than Allen, if at all?

That's a game I'm considering being back in WNY for... That'd be awesome ...way more awesome than the Thad Lewis introduction to the NFL in 2013... although that game actually went to OT.

Oh please... I think McCarron is probably smart enough to realize whatever time he gets under center during the regular season is borrowed time. Seriously... it's a new NFL.. rookie QBs just generally don't sit unless they're extremely raw... and Allen isn't raw in the way Mahomes was, who never really NFL experience playing in an Air Raid offense in College. What exactly about him is raw?

I thought about starting a thread predicting Allen would and maybe even should start immediately, but I think I'd jinx him In truth, though, despite the fact that he's currently 3rd on the depth chart, I kinda think Beane wants/expects him to win this job out the gate. I can't get the article anymore, but in that Buffalo News article about the draft process, I thought this comment was telling: "I think what's come with social media and all the draft coverage is that all the stats get plastered out there,” he said. “I said it on the radio show the other day ...one of the guys said something about Josh Allen being raw. I went into a thing like, raw came from a national pundit. They labeled these guys as different things. Some of them I agreed with, some of them I did not.” That sure sounds like Beane doesn't believe Allen is raw. Dude is 6'5, 240 lbs, all the arm strength in the world, has more experience in a pro style offense than the other top QBs, is very smart, and quick to process things. The biggest question, I think, will be how much of the improvements on his mechanics and footwork from his work with Palmer has truly stuck. He has the size and athleticism where I don't think he's going to get shell shocked after getting killed in his rookie year. If he earns the job, let him start right away. Does signing AJ McCarron as like the last real viable fringe starting QB on the 3rd day of Free Agency really make people think McBeane's plan A all along has been to have a vet QB start this year??? Do you think AJ McCarron is a shoe-in or even a favorite to beat an uber talented rookie who's likely really going to WOW his coaches over the Summer with at least his physical ability, if not also his mental processing (based on reports of how he is at the whiteboard)??? If your answers to both of those questions are "No," which I think they are, then Allen's probably the favorite to win this job right out the gate.

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Boy... you're being really sensitive. What's upsetting you?