transplantbillsfan

Not uncommon for incumbent presidents who are seeking reelection to get primaries canceled in certain states by their respective parties. Not unique to Biden and certainly not unique to the Democratic party. In fact... that's been the standard for the last 5 incumbent Presidents running for reelection, including Trump. It's common practice and isn't against the law. I don't necessarily like it either, but if you would like a practice like that to actually not be the standard then perhaps you want America to shift to being a true Democracy rather than the Republic it now is. I'd have no problem with that myself... the Country would finally reflect the political beliefs of its vast majority in its political systems.

@B-Man... if Harris ends up being the nominee and she beats Trump, you would agree that in retrospect the entire argument of "disenfranchised democratic voters" would become a complete straw-man argument, right? Biden ran in the primaries unopposed. We are a Republic. Nothing has happened or is set to happen moving forward that goes against the rules and laws set forth by our founders. And if anyone wants the USA to be a true democracy, then you want Democrats as your political leaders because that's what would overwhelmingly be the result if our Country became an actual Democracy.

Nice... tell the first 3 I miss our Bills dialogue. Deranged Rhino is just a loser. Too much ego. Couldn't man up and take the honest L for a bet he lost.

People can easily hold the following beliefs at the same time: 1) Biden was a great President who did a lot of great things in office. 2) Biden should not run for office again because there's no way he's got the faculties or stamina to last another 4 years. I believe both those things and from the time Biden took office and ran back in 2020 he acknowledged the age issue and stated he'd be a "transitional" President. I'm just glad he's finally accepting that title and is passing the torch. By the way... I really haven't popped in here since the mass exodus 4 years ago. I miss some of those posters... particularly @Foxx. I hope this place has been a bit more sane in the last 4 years, but given that politics is the topic, probably not. Glad we all have a common interest in the Bills and common enemy in the Chiefs

Imagine Josh Allen with Andy Reid, Tyreek Hill and Trevis Kelce

Ya know... this is all well and good, but here's the thing you're discounting: by any era, Allen is probably the greatest physical freak as a QB the NFL has ever seen. Elway was a freak for his day, but he was 6'3 and 215 lbs. Allen has almost 2 inches of height and anywhere between 20-30 lbs on him. And while Elway had a cannon for an arm, when you watch highlights of both players I don't see how you come away saying Allen doesn't definitively have the stronger arm. And it's not like the height, weight and arm strength for Allen are because of when he's playing, either.

Not nearly the passers Allen is. They might be the answer if the question is "who's the best running qb ever?" But "dual threat means you better factor in passing, and while Allen might be a small step behind those QBs as a runner, he's leaps and bounds ahead of them as a passer.

Joe Marino explores the question in yesterday's episode: Cliffs notes version: arguably he probably is, but definitely in the next year or 2. Some other good Josh Allen nuggets in the 2nd half of the episode

Heck it's not as drastic but do the same for Mahomes. In 3 playoff games Mahomes has played against Buffalo he is 79/115 (68.7%) for 1112 yards (370.6 YPG) with 9 TDs and ZERO turnovers Throw Burrow's numbers in there from 2022 and it's pretty obvious why we've lost in the playoffs 4 straight years.

Awesome! How did you calculate QBR? I think it's a proprietary formula for ESPN and I don't think it's as simple as averaging the games, much like Passer Rating.

To elaborate for those like @GunnerBill who think he has less than a 5% chance of making any impact whatsoever on this team:

Shaw.... better than 2017???? C'mon. The answer to that question is an obvious and emphatic YES!!!! The Bills had, at best, an average roster in the NFL in 2017. What I'm glad I found within the last year are good, broader NFL podcasts with actual pundits who watch the film rather than "shock jocks" like Cowherd, Nick Wright, Stephen A, Skip Bayless, etc. In listening to these (and that would include Mina Kimes, Nate Tice, Robert Mayes, Brett Kollman, EJ Snyder and all the guests they have on their shows), you discover that these broader NFL experts have a lot of the same natural questions we do about the Bills because of the roster turnover and switch to Joe Brady, but they pretty universally agree that while Buffalo may take a step back from the "true contender" category, they're still a playoff team and the favorites to win the AFC East. (By the way, what's even more universal among them is that Josh Allen is the 2nd best QB in the NFL and is in a tier of his own) I think that assessment is pretty fair. Even the most optimistic among us at the very least are merely projecting how our WRs and Safeties especially will be. But what those varying experts also agree on and have talked about at various times is how bad Buffalo's roster was in Josh Allen’s rookie year. Yes, I realize that's 2018, not 2017... but there was a lot of carryover. I don't think 2017's roster is remotely comparable with 2024's roster, even discounting the QBs.

I think it's Allen and at this point I don't think it's close. Allen is bigger, stronger and more durable. His arm is stronger. He's INCREDIBLY competitive That's the ball of clay Andy Reid would have had to work with if he ended up in KC rather than Mahomes. I think everyone primarily argues Mahomes is so generational because of how clutch he is... except they're pretty dead even in terms of 4thQC and GWDs. And Allen has been absolutely lights out in the playoffs. When you consider rushing (and can we please stop discounting rushing??? Mobility has become essential to modern quarterbacking) he's been better than Mahomes in the postseason. KC just has much better infrastructure around Mahomes. That's primarily why Patrick Mahomes is a better QB than Allen.

They already started?

Chase Claypool

How can it NOT be WRs???? Anything to do with WRs, but WRs, obviously

Not gonna lie... as I read through the responses I wonder if most posters are really considering what Josh Allen has overwhelmingly preferred in his pass catchers thus far in his career.

As I said on page 2 in this thread, I completely agree with you on your Coleman take. My only issue is that Moulds and Coleman aren't the WR types Allen has thrived with so far in his career.

Never watched him. What were his strengths?

I did. Scroll up

I really want to be clear about something: I love Moulds! I just think a lot of people are looking at former Bills WRs and aren't really considering the Allen aspect of this equation. Thus far in his career, Allen is more of a "see WR open pass the ball" QB than an anticipation thrower. It's worked very well for him to this point because his GM has surrounded him primarily with WRs who could separate due to speed or route running: Smoke, Bease, Diggs, Sanders. Even Davis was a separator in the way he could stack CBs vertically and how he operated in the scramble drill. Moulds was not a separator. He was tough as nails, had great hands, ball tracking ability and great open field vision. But separation wasn't one of his strengths. Go watch all the highlights of his time in Buffalo if you don't believe me. That's the main reason I didn't go with him. Now... the good news for everyone who chose Moulds is that in a lot of ways I think Coleman is very similar to what Moulds was, so we may get to see this in action. And I'm very excited about Coleman. Other than @HappyDays if you go back early in the draft process I think you'll find I was a very early defender of him as a stong prospect. However, we are going to need to see either Allen throwing with a lot more anticipation/trusting his WR more or we're going to have to see Coleman really excel in his routes and gain more separation. I have confidence one or both could happen. But for what I've watched in my 35 years of fandom I don't think there's a #1 WR who has separated from defenders in the way Stevie has.

Gonna be honest... totally forgot about TO. I think I'd probably go TO in his prime over Stevie if I'm strictly thinking about skillset. Really hard for me to look past his diva attitude and the relationships he had with his QBs in SF and PHI though.

I just don't think Moulds is the type of WR Allen loves throwing to. Love Moulds though.

There's a pretty good argument against our WR corps being better if you strictly look at the production we lost in Diggs and Davis. However, I agree with you. I actually don't think there's any argument against our WR corps as a whole being better and deeper. It's just going to be a question of what we get from our top end guys.

Obviously in their prime. I mean the easy answer would seem to be to just go with Reed or Lofton since they're HOFers. Never saw any WRs before those 2 so don't know about guys like Jerry Butler. I would want to consider skillsets and how they fit with what Allen likes in his WRs. I don't really think Moulds would have been the ideal fit. Peerless Price was a flash in the pan but for the very brief stint he was at his peak he might have been that ideal deep threat with size and speed we've been looking for. I would go with Stevie Johnson. His unique ability to separate and get open is similar to what Beasley was in his prime and I think Stevie would have been even better and more versatile in that role with the ability to go inside or outside.