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Well for one, teachers are, on average, older than workers in a grocery store https://datausa.io/profile/naics/grocery-stores https://datausa.io/profile/soc/elementary-middle-school-teachers 5 years is a pretty significant difference. And you're absolutely right. Look at all the precautions they've taken! If teachers were provided the same protections a grocery store clerk gets with clear plastic barriers set up between every single desk in their classroom, hand sanitizer for himself/herself as well as every single student along with disinfectants provided for consistent cleaning, that would be a great start and I bet you'd have a lot less pushback from teachers. So tell me, who pays for that? That wouldn't be cheap. Thanks for the flattery with a side dish of sarcasm. See my response above to @Doc Brown about this. Grocery stores made quick adjustments with everything they implemented in part because they operate for profit, unlike schools. Too many cooks in the kitchen who don't even know how to operate an oven when it comes to schools.

So that's the answer? Push out the old and in with the new? (And again, it's not just "old" teachers who are at risk. I have a coworker with type 1 diabetes who is in her 30s... you sayin she should be forced out, too?) And who replaces all these teachers with these waves of retirements? I know here in Hawai'i there's a teacher shortage and, in turn, a sub shortage. There has been for years... I was hired on the mainland myself. Where are all these teachers-in-waiting ready to take over with this wave of retirements? This is one of the most predictable and fallacious arguments circulating about so easily starting up schools. "Europe did it, we can, too!" Ya know what else Europe has done that we haven't come close to doing? Flattened the curve. This "let's be like Europe" argument with education is a hilarious contradiction to the arguments that boil down to "we're not Europe, we're 'Merica!"I've heard constantly over here for many months of why we can't have a stronger nation-wide response to get the virus under control and the curve flattened Huh? It's going to be trial and error but it's not an option to keep the kids home. What does that even mean? 100% agree They are. How many of those professions center specifically around close physical social interaction for 6 or 7 hours a day where they are in a single room with around 100 people throughout the day and 20-35 people at a given time? Can you name those professions and tell me which ones have fully gone back to work as usual?

And as I have argued multiple times and is displayed poll showing what's motivating a huge plurality of Biden voters out in the Fall, Donald Trump is doing all Biden's campaigning for him, and he's serving the Democratic party well, though it's unfortunate that's because he's serving our country poorly as an awful President. The fact that so many of you here still so ardently support Donald Trump would be just pathetic if it weren't so hilariously bizarre.

See I'm not actually afraid. Other teachers are, though. And I think those teachers are going to want to get the heck out the classroom fully once there are a few cases that pop up in our school.

I teach English, not History. Are you saying you sit in every single classroom across the country with liberal teachers and are aware of how they teach and what they teach?

Weird question. And no that wasn't what I meant. You sound insecure.

I'm 39 and love my job more and more every year. It's a job I knew I wanted to go into from 9th grade and I never wavered. I'm also in great health because eat well, I surf a few times a week on average and I exercise. So I appreciate the heads up on my physical and emotional well-being, but I'm good, thanks. And what the hell are you ranting on about at the end there? Did Donald Trump personally hand you his talking points?

It's the broad sentiment on this board and considering your posting and often heightened animosity towards me, I probably just lumped you in with the rest. I apologize. It's more than that with your proposal though. Weapons and drugs are easy because they're visible and tangible and require no judgment call from anyone. You propose that teachers gauge the intention of the students, not the action. Even I'm not comfortable doing that and I really do feel I have a good barometer for student intention in the classroom. With your proposal: Student accidentally sneezes in direction of another student. No consequence. Student Intentionally sneezes in direction of another student. Student is suspended. But first teacher has to determine intention and then Admin has to hear both student and teacher story (because I don't know what kind of Admin you have but this is the way my school works, even if the Admin nearly always backs the teacher) and then Admin determines action. You don't see the serious problems with that?

Can't read your tone here very well, but our school alone had a small Summer School with some in-class learning and there was a Covid-19 case in that session that was big news in the community. In the news today it said that about 1 in 4 teachers fall under the "at-risk" category. This is going to likely be an extreme slow-walk. What a fear-mongering moron. Less than 4 months til he's voted out No, he's not. He's an idiot.

Why would I know you're a teacher? If you're a teacher, then you know that no matter how attuned a teacher is with his/her classroom and students, everything outside the classroom are obstacles to your proposal. Admin is one. Parents are another. It's not just coming up with good ideas, it's can you implement them without severe liability risk or risks of being sued, which is certainly what Admin will be thinking of.

My bad... should've read through to see if someone brought it up. Seems such an obvious solution.

Thanks for providing me with a fantastic example of the rhetorical fallacy Ad Hominem. Job never stops

I don't disagree with anything you say here at all. I believe this year student development is going to suffer. It's inevitable no matter what we do. It's mitigation at this point. He should especially because he just makes things worse when he talks. No worries. I give a good amount of work and have high expectations, anyways.

Above my pay grade, but I think what my school is going to do is a good start. Block scheduling where you see 3 periods each day for 80 minutes each. However, only 1/4th of your students come to class in person in order to minimize students on a campus of 2,000+ students and keep students physically apart in the classroom. One day a week (our school chose Wednesday as a day JUST teachers are in the classroo) dedicated solely to distance learning with potentially Individual students coming in for one on one conferences or tutorials. This means I only see my students physically in the classroom once every 2 weeks to start. If that's going well, cut to 50% capacity so you see your students once a week. If that goes well, everyone comes back. I am actually generally okay with that proposal because I understand the circumstances. A number of my coworkers have serious issues about being in the classroom at all. I completely understand their stances even if it's not my personal position.

I don't know if you're being disingenuous or if you're just unaware of the wide public sentiment that one of the biggest reasons Trump & Co are pushing so hard for kids to go FULLY back to school IN THE CLASSROOM is for the sake of the economy and childcare most parents can't otherwise afford. I'm a teacher and education is MY #1 priority, but if education were the #1 priority for everyone including this Administration all along, they would have used the MONTHS we've had now to be sure every child has access to a device of some sort along with Internet and would have required teachers across the country to participate in multiple distance learning Professional Development workshops because we're very clearly going to have at least some form of distance learning.

I probably have one of the biggest traditional classrooms on campus and I'm just guessing it's maybe 800 square feet at best. Probably about 30 feet by 25 feet. And oh yes, all rooms are utilized at almost all times on our campus of over 2,000 students. Except that would be the heterogeneous classroom that separates students in an education system pushing for the homogenized classroom and inclusion with Special Ed students mixed in with regular students. I get your point, but I can't see that distinct separation of students in Individual classes actually happening.

Oy. "Intentionally being unsafe." Yeah, good luck with that figuring that out in the first place and then going the extra step to enforce it The lack of respect you guys over here have for education is astounding because much of it stems from sheer ignorance.

Except for the part where I literally say I want to be back in the classroom and am more than willing to do so. Teaching through distance learning is going to take a lot more time and be a lot more difficult than in-class learning. Even partial in-class and partial distance learning in a staggered schedule like my school is planning on doing will be a pain. It's the difference between starting all over as a teacher vs going into my 17th year of continuing to get better at my craft. Getting all classroom teachers across the country to suddenly be proficient online teachers is far from ideal. Trust me, I don't like the prospect of teaching from home, though that's not what my school is doing as of now. I will be in my classroom 5 days a week seeing 1/4th of my students in each class, meaning I will only see my students in person once every 2 weeks. But I could see that changing in the next few weeks. If it does and I'm teaching distance learning alone, you both seem like you're in need of better education, so I can offer you that service pro bono, just because you're fellow Bills fans.

This thread is off the Reservation.

Why don't they just have every helmet with clear plastic face shields throughout the opening of the helmet, which extends beyond the chin?

Want to know where it's just an AWESOME question to ask? Hawai'i. Wife is Thai, Hawaiian, Chinese, Portuguese, Spanish and Indian. Her Mom is an import from Thailand my father in law met and married over there during Vietnam. Her father pulls over much on his Hawaiian genes though HIS Mom looks very Portuguese. I'm just plain ole White. English, Scotch-Irish, Welch, French and Scandinavian. Ancestors go back to the Revolutionary War as I know I'm related to some head of one of the militias in New England who corresponded with George Washington about strategy at that time, but I don't remember his name. My Mom brought it up recently because she said she's been invited multiple times to join DAR, but chose not to.

OP immediately after he created this thread:

Sounds like you've got one right in this thread actually. He's not too bright, but at least he doesn't seem to realize it because he sure is vocal. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#AgeAndSex So you're sure those 100 something 18 or under kids who died from COVID all had serious underlying medical conditions? Source? What if a family has a child with an underlying health condition they don't know about or hasn't been diagnosed? Just "oh well", yah? You seem pretty clueless about the logistics and money involved in all you've just proposed, so I will just brush past this and hope you take some time to do some REAL research into what would be needed based on what you propose. My God you sound like William Wallace in Braveheart. You itching to go into battle? Dude, you aren't just talking about "certain teachers." You're talking about a significant number of teachers where if you want to accommodate them most school districts across the country will still also be retaining them because many would be teachers those districts don't want to lose. And then if you think it's easy to also pay for a bunch of subs in this economic climate, you're crazy. Rather than be so nihilistic and uneducated about the economics of the situation, take a breath and just think...

But not the teachers who teach them or the families they go home to. And putting 30+ kids in a clustered classroom might not hurt them, but you honestly and truly believe that's not a soup bowl spreading a virus from one person to another to eventually pass on to people who might suffer more than just "minor symptoms?" Regardless of your opinion about the protests, what's been happening since them? Have infections gone down? Asking for a friend. Yeah, we just care about destroying the economy, not the kids we teach or the colleagues we work with every day. Not to mention the kids' families. But yeah, you go on believing the caution in starting schools back up is a conspiracy against your boy sitting in the White House. No. The people skeptical are probably the people most directly affected by this choice (teachers and parents of students) or people who actually care about those people. Guessing you fall under the category of neither.