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Holy crap what a great example of Confirmation bias! Thanks for your incredibly fallacious argument. And yes, I have tenure. My job is secure (though still awaiting news on a potential paycut), thank you. I'm very fortunate.

I read it before I posted that. I thought it was a pretty accurate summary of the summary. Which parts are inaccurate? Which parts are fantasy? Into trouble as the President continues to use everything in his power (except his Pardon power, yet...) to pull them out... see recent developments for Flynn and Stone. Yes. And probably conspiracy.

Trump's tweets don't matter as much as the media makes it out, but no, that's not why your comments are so hilariously ironic. Nearly 128,000 Americans have died in 4 1/2 months because of a Pandemic the President wasn't merely ill-prepared for, but was (and in many ways still is) in blatant denial of. Our economy is deeper in the toilet than it needed to be and likely will be for a long time largely because of delayed action and constant mixed messaging by our idiot leader. And in a time when the vast majority of Americans are out in the streets protesting racial injustice by the thousands in every single state in the Republic, he speaks like George Wallace, fights to keep statues of traitors of the Republic, and sends out military force to clear out peaceful protesters just so he can walk across the street to hold a Bible upside down for a 3 minute photo op. There is nowhere to go but up from Donald Trump. You're in that Brave New World right now, only our leader is an Idiot compared to Mustapha Mond, the ruler of the World State in Huxley's book.

This is absolutely the most hilariously ironic statement I've ever read. Have you even read that book? Are you paying attention to this moment in history? We're in that dystopian world RIGHT NOW. Keep taking your Soma, though. Clearly it's keeping you docile.

And yet he will be your next President. And he will be a noticeable improvement over our current President.

Yeah. Because Donald Trump never mixes up words Biden has foot-in-mouth disease. Everyone knows that. Donald Trump is just sick in his brain.

Why are you being obstinate?

You're just being silly. The implications of the question were obvious. No. It hasn't. And it won't. For so many reasons, not the least of which is because Trump's a moron full of hot air and (to coin a phrase) low IQ.

Well for one he hasn't overlooked the deaths of 125,000+ Americans and counting or utterly screwed up his handling of this Pandemic from the beginning. Every time you think he's gotta realize his ineptitude, he makes things worse. What a moron Stop acting dumb. You know that poll is a hypothetical "who do you trust more" question. Unfortunately, Biden is going to have A LOT to clean up once he takes over next January.

So is the "executive summary" not actually a summary of the findings? That's where those points are found. Which ones are incorrect? I told you I didn't read the Mueller report and I didn't. But I read the Executive summary, which is where those points were presented. Are you saying it's not actually a summary? Donald Trump is the most powerful man on Earth, 'nuff said. And however terrifying that thought is more and more for the majority of Americans, it's unfortunately been true since the beginning of the Mueller investigation and will be true for another roughly 7 months. Well the case is closed if you mean the actual investigations. So yeah, he got away with it. That gif meant look up a few posts, idiot. Okay, let's just do the same with Donald Trump. Love the idea of him actually being there in person in front of a jury. Spectacular idea.

We have a 14 day quarantine we've been implementing in Hawai'i since this started. Pretty easy because the only way in is by air... at least once the cruise ships were quickly turned away. Mainland quarantines would be impossible since you can easily drive across state lines. People will break these rules more than they will follow them.

What's considertion?

They didn't find anything? Seems a wild mischaracterization. Haven't read the report, but the summary of major findings in the Mueller report seems to tell a different story: 1. Trump was receptive to a Campaign national security adviser’s (George Papadopoulos) pursuit of a back channel to Putin. 2. Kremlin operatives provided the Campaign a preview of the Russian plan to distribute stolen emails. 3. The Trump Campaign chairman and deputy chairman (Paul Manafort and Rick Gates) knowingly shared internal polling data and information on battleground states with a Russian spy; and the Campaign chairman worked with the Russian spy on a pro-Russia “peace” plan for Ukraine. 4. The Trump Campaign chairman periodically shared internal polling data with the Russian spy with the expectation it would be shared with Putin-linked oligarch, Oleg Deripaska. 5. Trump Campaign chairman Manafort expected Trump’s winning the presidency would mean Deripaska would want to use Manafort to advance Deripaska’s interests in the United States and elsewhere. 6. Trump Tower meeting: (1) On receiving an email offering derogatory information on Clinton coming from a Russian government official, Donald Trump Jr. “appears to have accepted that offer;” (2) members of the Campaign discussed the Trump Tower meeting beforehand; (3) Donald Trump Jr. told the Russians during the meeting that Trump could revisit the issue of the Magnitsky Act if elected. 7. A Trump Campaign official told the Special Counsel he “felt obliged to object” to a GOP Platform change on Ukraine because it contradicted Trump’s wishes; however, the investigation did not establish that Gordon was directed by Trump. 8. Russian military hackers may have followed Trump’s July 27, 2016 public statement “Russia if you’re listening …” within hours by targeting Clinton’s personal office for the first time. 9. Trump requested campaign affiliates to get Clinton’s emails, which resulted in an individual apparently acting in coordination with the Campaign claiming to have successfully contacted Russian hackers. 10. The Trump Campaign—and Trump personally—appeared to have advanced knowledge of future WikiLeaks releases. 11. The Trump Campaign coordinated campaign-related public communications based on future WikiLeaks releases. 12. Michael Cohen, on behalf of the Trump Organization, brokered a secret deal for a Trump Tower Moscow project directly involving Putin’s inner circle, at least until June 2016. 13. During the presidential transition, Jared Kushner and Eric Prince engaged in secret back channel communications with Russian agents. (1) Kushner suggested to the Russian Ambassador that they use a secure communication line from within the Russian Embassy to speak with Russian Generals; and (2) Prince and Kushner’s friend Rick Gerson conducted secret back channel meetings with a Putin agent to develop a plan for U.S.-Russian relations. 14. During the presidential transition, in coordination with other members of the Transition Team, Michael Flynn spoke with the Russian Ambassador to prevent a tit for tat Russian response to the Obama administration’s imposition of sanctions for election interference; the Russians agreed not to retaliate saying they wanted a good relationship with the incoming administration.

And all of you here think he's guilty, right? Thank you for proving that point for me. Except that there's a lot more evidence (circumstantial or more material) that Trump colluded with Russia. The evidence against Biden is more flimsy and circumstantial.

So you probably noticed that right after I said "yes" about collusion, I also gave a shakier, more tentative "yes" to conspiracy. To me what matters is not the semantics of whether he committed a crime or not--and again, I said I believe he probably did--but that he was fairly actively looking for a foreign government to help him get elected. Even if he didn't actually dive in and get his hair wet, pretty clearly he dipped his feet in to gauge the temperature of the water. First of all, talking about an act done by the President of the United States is very different from talking about some Joe Schmoe on the street. Do you think OJ murdered his wife? He was acquitted. Most believe he's a murderer, though, based on overwhelming evidence. Yet he wasn't convicted, for any number of reasons. That doesn't mean he didn't do it. Same here for Donald Trump. Kinda difficult to dig that proof up when the most powerful man in the world stymies all your efforts in any way he can.

Look I don't think Obamacare is perfect. That was openly admitted nearly from the conception of the bill. But it's done so much good for the poor and low income people that your complaint is nitpicky. Fix it. Make it better. Make it stronger for everyone. But it's conception of helping bring MORE people under insurance, especially poor and low income workers, is a good thing, not a bad thing. This is like the tax argument I was reading earlier. "Well I'm a high income worker and I paid more in taxes last year..." And what? What do these Individual cases prove? They're but a minuscule speck of a dot in everything else. Saying something like "I know flying isn't safe because my aunt died in a plane crash" is just silly when you probably get in an automobile--which kills waaAAaaayyy more people in the world than plane crashes every year--multiple times a day. For one, it's just one more example of him lying. Not to mention: As for the exercise... I bet he rides a golf cart.

I don't understand where the posting of an article makes me wrong. Can you explain that? Can you post something that proves Russia didn't influence the election? Not something that says there was "insufficient evidence," but instead something that proves it. You claim that proof exists, just provide it and this will be one of the things I admit was wrong about. So just pull out the parts of the Mueller report, OIG report, FBI disclosures and trials that directly stated there's proof Russia had no influence on the election. I didn't read the Mueller report and never will. Maybe Mueller found no evidence of criminal conspiracy, but that could be because Mueller himself was impeded in his investigation by members of the Trump campaign who lied, encrypted and deleted communications, individuals providing false or incomplete info, and Trump dangling pardons in the face of people of interest like Manafort in an effort to interfere with the investigation. Those were claims by Mueller, not me. As for collusion, Mueller's Summary of major findings at least provides several examples of what would surely be considered collusion. And that combined with an impeded investigation shouldn't lead anyone to the conclusion that Trump was proven innocent. Mueller never said that. What is wrong about it? I just explained it to you. Ummm... no they didn't Yes. Needs to be undeniably or almost undeniably proven. It hasn't been here. And yes, I believe there was collusion. It's clearly there. I'm not as sure about conspiracy, but sure, I'd say I believe that happened, too. Prove it. I know Russia hacked the Republicans, too. But the information wasn't released in any kind of damaging way as it was for Clinton. Provide me the evidence that the Russians were equal opportunity destroyers of both Clinton and Trump. That's news to me. Wow this I do NOT agree with. Doesn't really seem so so far. Here ya go. You're right. I was dead wrong on this one. I absolutely did not think Trump would be impeached. I really didn't think the House would end up going through with it because of political risk. I was dead wrong about that one and will eat crow on it. This was probably from me reading so much of you my head got twisted all around. This post was wrong, too. Trump certainly wasn't exonerated. He does hold the power of the Presidency, though. I think losing the election in November is just the first of his worries to come. Bill Barr himself admits Trump was warned Russia was trying to meddle. Don't see how this is incorrect. No. No. No. So much wrong with this. No. Trump WAS told the elections were meddling and were trying to meddle, plain and simple. You're right. And that's why I just admitted those parts where I was proven wrong. Keep the rest of that proof coming and you'll get even more of that validation you seem to need. For now I think you should step outside and get some Sun, though. Just some friendly advice. We both surf a lot, you just do waaAAaaayyy too much of this:

More like: But enjoy your day

I'll look. I saw one sentence meaningless responses but not much more

No. I saw your posts and will read them. And like I said, I will admit I was wrong where I've been proven wrong. Some of us don't live in this forum. Don't expect an immediate response to anything and then assume I'm avoiding you just because I don't respond to you within 2 seconds of your post the way a Russian bot and/or you would. It's Summer in Hawai'i. I have better things to do.

Thank you for posting it. I don't read through these threads. I skim and hop around. If I'm not quoted or tagged, I likely don't read it. I'll come back to it later when I have time. Mother Ocean beckons me.

@Buffalo_Gal I'm in that thread. Pages past our conversation. There's a side conversation about taxes. There's no rebuttal to my rebuttal so far. Is it in the last 6 pages or did you make that up?