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My bad... should've read through to see if someone brought it up. Seems such an obvious solution.

Thanks for providing me with a fantastic example of the rhetorical fallacy Ad Hominem. Job never stops

I don't disagree with anything you say here at all. I believe this year student development is going to suffer. It's inevitable no matter what we do. It's mitigation at this point. He should especially because he just makes things worse when he talks. No worries. I give a good amount of work and have high expectations, anyways.

Above my pay grade, but I think what my school is going to do is a good start. Block scheduling where you see 3 periods each day for 80 minutes each. However, only 1/4th of your students come to class in person in order to minimize students on a campus of 2,000+ students and keep students physically apart in the classroom. One day a week (our school chose Wednesday as a day JUST teachers are in the classroo) dedicated solely to distance learning with potentially Individual students coming in for one on one conferences or tutorials. This means I only see my students physically in the classroom once every 2 weeks to start. If that's going well, cut to 50% capacity so you see your students once a week. If that goes well, everyone comes back. I am actually generally okay with that proposal because I understand the circumstances. A number of my coworkers have serious issues about being in the classroom at all. I completely understand their stances even if it's not my personal position.

I don't know if you're being disingenuous or if you're just unaware of the wide public sentiment that one of the biggest reasons Trump & Co are pushing so hard for kids to go FULLY back to school IN THE CLASSROOM is for the sake of the economy and childcare most parents can't otherwise afford. I'm a teacher and education is MY #1 priority, but if education were the #1 priority for everyone including this Administration all along, they would have used the MONTHS we've had now to be sure every child has access to a device of some sort along with Internet and would have required teachers across the country to participate in multiple distance learning Professional Development workshops because we're very clearly going to have at least some form of distance learning.

I probably have one of the biggest traditional classrooms on campus and I'm just guessing it's maybe 800 square feet at best. Probably about 30 feet by 25 feet. And oh yes, all rooms are utilized at almost all times on our campus of over 2,000 students. Except that would be the heterogeneous classroom that separates students in an education system pushing for the homogenized classroom and inclusion with Special Ed students mixed in with regular students. I get your point, but I can't see that distinct separation of students in Individual classes actually happening.

Oy. "Intentionally being unsafe." Yeah, good luck with that figuring that out in the first place and then going the extra step to enforce it The lack of respect you guys over here have for education is astounding because much of it stems from sheer ignorance.

Except for the part where I literally say I want to be back in the classroom and am more than willing to do so. Teaching through distance learning is going to take a lot more time and be a lot more difficult than in-class learning. Even partial in-class and partial distance learning in a staggered schedule like my school is planning on doing will be a pain. It's the difference between starting all over as a teacher vs going into my 17th year of continuing to get better at my craft. Getting all classroom teachers across the country to suddenly be proficient online teachers is far from ideal. Trust me, I don't like the prospect of teaching from home, though that's not what my school is doing as of now. I will be in my classroom 5 days a week seeing 1/4th of my students in each class, meaning I will only see my students in person once every 2 weeks. But I could see that changing in the next few weeks. If it does and I'm teaching distance learning alone, you both seem like you're in need of better education, so I can offer you that service pro bono, just because you're fellow Bills fans.

This thread is off the Reservation.

Why don't they just have every helmet with clear plastic face shields throughout the opening of the helmet, which extends beyond the chin?

Want to know where it's just an AWESOME question to ask? Hawai'i. Wife is Thai, Hawaiian, Chinese, Portuguese, Spanish and Indian. Her Mom is an import from Thailand my father in law met and married over there during Vietnam. Her father pulls over much on his Hawaiian genes though HIS Mom looks very Portuguese. I'm just plain ole White. English, Scotch-Irish, Welch, French and Scandinavian. Ancestors go back to the Revolutionary War as I know I'm related to some head of one of the militias in New England who corresponded with George Washington about strategy at that time, but I don't remember his name. My Mom brought it up recently because she said she's been invited multiple times to join DAR, but chose not to.

OP immediately after he created this thread:

Sounds like you've got one right in this thread actually. He's not too bright, but at least he doesn't seem to realize it because he sure is vocal. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#AgeAndSex So you're sure those 100 something 18 or under kids who died from COVID all had serious underlying medical conditions? Source? What if a family has a child with an underlying health condition they don't know about or hasn't been diagnosed? Just "oh well", yah? You seem pretty clueless about the logistics and money involved in all you've just proposed, so I will just brush past this and hope you take some time to do some REAL research into what would be needed based on what you propose. My God you sound like William Wallace in Braveheart. You itching to go into battle? Dude, you aren't just talking about "certain teachers." You're talking about a significant number of teachers where if you want to accommodate them most school districts across the country will still also be retaining them because many would be teachers those districts don't want to lose. And then if you think it's easy to also pay for a bunch of subs in this economic climate, you're crazy. Rather than be so nihilistic and uneducated about the economics of the situation, take a breath and just think...

But not the teachers who teach them or the families they go home to. And putting 30+ kids in a clustered classroom might not hurt them, but you honestly and truly believe that's not a soup bowl spreading a virus from one person to another to eventually pass on to people who might suffer more than just "minor symptoms?" Regardless of your opinion about the protests, what's been happening since them? Have infections gone down? Asking for a friend. Yeah, we just care about destroying the economy, not the kids we teach or the colleagues we work with every day. Not to mention the kids' families. But yeah, you go on believing the caution in starting schools back up is a conspiracy against your boy sitting in the White House. No. The people skeptical are probably the people most directly affected by this choice (teachers and parents of students) or people who actually care about those people. Guessing you fall under the category of neither.

Bolded ends up telling me a lot. And no, opening schools fully as the test subjects for a complete reopening without thought of student, teacher or family health is flat out stupid. Kids that are in school are going to suffer educationally. I view that as inevitable this year. Good distance learning isn't even a close substitute for good in-class learning. Period. However, measuring education or social skills lost by students as somehow more more important than the lives that might be lost--of students, teachers, and/or family members--is just plain cold-hearted. This is not an easy answer, but forcing all schools to go back fully at this moment is the wrong one.

This shouldn't even be a political issue but Trump made it one, unfortunately. He's obviously desperate. And you're obviously one of his blind followers. The reality is that most schools across the country will follow the fluid path of starting the year partially in person and partial distance learning to see how it goes and adjust from there. Frankly, that's almost inevitably the right call.

"Not too many kids per classroom" That's the problem. My school has classes that have had 40 students in a single classroom. I haven't seen that in my room, but 30+ multiple times. So how exactly does a public High School campus with 2,000+ students on campus limit students in classrooms AND not split the student body into staggered learning with a certain % on campus at a time and the rest doing distance learning?

We do?

I never hid being a teacher. In fact I mention it all the time and many have already been critical of me and my profession. And the last statement is silly. We're in the middle of a worldwide pandemic that in the US alone has infected nearly 1.5 million and killed over 135,000 people despite efforts to quarantine, wear masks, and not have large gatherings for months now. Schools would be the canary in a coal mine. And having all schools across the country go fully back into the classroom with 20-30 (and often more) students per classroom would likely wind up having pretty serious consequences. And as I said in the OP and to be very clear: I want and am willing to go back into the classroom. I love and miss my job. I just think the best anyone can clearly hope for is a mixture of in-class teaching and at home distance learning, often depending on school size.

I really can't remotely see that working. First of all, it requires more money. You need money for each position you have "supervising" the class. And who are the supervisors? Substitute teachers? EAs? Security Guards? That adds more money to those positions being taken away from their other jobs. And we haven't even talked about the classroom management nightmare that would be having 20-30 students sitting in a room with their teacher not physically present. It could actually be a safety and liability issue, honestly

What the hell is going on? First Trump claims at his July 3rd Mount Rushmore speech that kids are being "indoctrinated" these days by those damn evil liberals. Now he's pushing about as hard as possible for schools to reopen fully. Not partially. Not 2 days or 3 days a week as his press secretary today questioned. But fully. It's about as transparent as he can possibly be. And yet some will view "opening fully" as the only answer. It's obviously not. I'm a teacher and I actually very much prefer to be in the classroom. I am one of the lucky ones who knew what he wanted to do as a career at a pretty young age--9th grade--and never wavered, which was what helped me earn my undergraduate degree in Secondary English Education and Master's degree in English literature in 5 years. (That's a statement about my dedication to both my Profession and my subject rather than whatever tomfoolery someone will dish out that I just said I was better than you... though I very likely am in Secondary English education and English Literature... can't wait for the grenades on that very true statement. ) Regardless of the fact that I prefer and am very willing to be fully back in the classroom in 3 1/2 weeks (because Hawai'i students are scheduled to go back August 4th), I also very much understand teacher, student and parent concerns otherwise. I have coworkers who are elderly, or obese with heart disease, or with diabetes who have already said they won't go back into the classroom. These are, for the most part, very good teachers who care about their students. But should they be expected to put their lives at risk in a 400 square foot box with 30 other kids who might look healthy but might be asymptomatic carriers of what would be a deadly disease for them? It's understandable why Trump is pushing for a full go at schools. Hell, it's transparent. Our economy can't fully start without teachers being the glorified babysitters we're viewed as. You can't watch your kids while you work, so we better do it, along with giving them a damn good education and making sure they're learning social skills and keeping them safe and making sure they continue to learn things like discipline and time management and... etc. That's fine. I love my job. Believe it or not I really want to get back into the classroom. Distance learning is going to be harder than in-class learning because I, like most teachers, care about my students and really want them to excel, despite the fact that distance learning is ultimately no substitute for the classroom. But it's a choice at this point between safety and education at this point, honestly. Trump wants to throw the economy in as the 3rd choice, but how many kids' lives are actually worth the economy to you? And once students start to get sick, doesn't the inevitable become school closures? No easy answer. And I'll repeat, I want to and am willing to get back into the classroom fully. I just think it's becoming less and less likely. It makes me sad. I also think it's an indication of the direction of our NFL season, unfortunately.

Seniority? Considering the situation, might it not be wise to go in the opposite direction? I wish the NFL would make the decision to play the games with no fans in the stands for all teams at this point. If they'd already done that, I'd feel pretty confident we're having a season. They haven't and I'm now seriously worried this season isn't going to really happen. The latest Athletic article about the NFL proposal with 35% of player salaries going into escrow claims 70-80% of NFL revenue is actually generated from advertising and sponsorships. I was surprised it was that high. If it is, cut ties with the push for fans in the stands. I don't care how "weird" it is. You guys want football? I sure as heck do. Let the NFL get creative about generating more revenue, though I bet DirecTV subscribers go up the NFL will be just fine. As for the players. If you can't get behind playing a competitive game you've likely been playing since a kid (when you played just for fun and often without fans) while making money doing it, even without fans in the stadium, that sounds like a psychological problem. Does the NFL really have that many exhibitionists? Can't they console themselves that millions of fans are watching this on TV? Seriously NFL. Don't screw this up!

Hello. Life must be really weird for you right now. You've been sleeping for the last 7 months, right? Can I just say perfect post from the perfect poster.