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Here is the conundrum of this situation at this point: Pretty much the entire nation shut down in March in order to "flatten the curve" and get this virus under control in a sense that we as a country could open and operate reasonably again. By the end of March, we had 189,000 cases and 3,900 deaths. In less than 4 months since we shut everything down to get this all under control so we could do things like resume schools in the Fall, we have seen roughly 3.8 million more cases and 141,000 more deaths. So what's changed now that the argument is obviously "open everything up!"? Sure hasn't gotten better. And it irritates me when anyone points to other countries who have opened schools and are fine. Yeah, but you left out the other half of that equation. Those other countries got the virus under control. Denmark, Germany, Finland, Norway, Israel who all opened schools have a COMBINED total of just over 300,000 infections and 10,800 deaths. (Yes, I realize those countries combined have a population of about 1/3rd of the US population, but even accounting for that and adjusting... it's pretty staggering) And Israel actually saw their death rate go up significantly when they opened schools back up. And some of these countries STILL have students doing the hybrid model of split in class and distance learning. I was actually ready to go back into the classroom back in March. I would do it now. My household is low risk. Which is actually why our Presidential leadership pisses me off even more. There was a path for this to happen. Instead we got an idiot President worried about poll numbers in an election year while bizarrely doing everything he can to make everything worse. Nothing has gotten better... in fact everything in our country has gotten exponentially worse since schools shut down and kids were kept home to keep them, their family members and their teachers safe. It didn't necessarily have to be a choice between losing lives or setting our kids back socially ad educationally, but you can thank our terrible President for forcing that choice upon our country and forgive the educators and their Unions supporting them for worrying about lives. I absolutely believe that distance learning is no substitute for in person learning. And I therefore also believe our students will end up being hurt and set back. What too many of you are missing is that we shut down schools last March FOR A REASON. And that reason is only exponentially worse now than it was in March. Thank your POTUS.

You're right, it's not definitive and they acknowledge several limitations, but you're conveniently (and probably tactically) twisting the indications of the findings of this study with what you say here.

Wow. You seem like a pretty bitter and ignorant human being who knows very little about anything, particularly the teaching profession.

Are you drunk again?

Honestly. If you watched this insane interview, do you really think this take is inaccurate, setting aside the source?

Voted delayed... Wanted to vote that the season would start on time, but I've always been overly optimistic... changing my strategy

I'm getting so friggin excited to be able to finally talk real football again!!! Less than 2 months til opening day?!?! Is this real????

Aloha! I'm on O'ahu, the gathering place. You're an architect? Is that what you mean? What school did you design? Define "shoes." No one's showing up barefoot to school, but most people wear slippers (you'd know them as flip flops) year round. My first year of teaching I showed up to school for the first couple months in pants, nice shoes, and a long sleeved shirt with a tie. I soon realized I was way overdressed for the islands. Now I sometimes wear an Aloha shirt, khaki shorts and brown leather slippers to work and I'm plenty dressed up. It's definitely a different world from where I grew up. Am I supposed to be "the guy" in this little rant?

You sound bitter. Or drunk. Or both, more likely. I live in Hawai'i, not North Carolina. Students are back August 4th. Put down the bottle.

"More" And no. Back to school for me. I say school not work because I've been working this whole time anyway. It's what teachers do on their vacations, believe it or not.

Wait, what is "the system?" High School systems all across your county? Your state? The country? The world? Just trying to figure this out because you've directly proclaimed you're the guy we all need to turn to in this discussion. Want to make sure I don't step on the toes of the Sultan of High School education.

All the states not fully going back are now doing it for political reasons?

I don't even know if I have a will or a health care proxy. I know I have life insurance in multiple forms that sets my wife up with plenty of money for the rest of their lives. But me not having those things would have jack squat to do with my credentials or ability to teach Expository writing and literature to Juniors and Seniors in High School.

I had to look up what the hell TDSer is. Trump Derangement Syndrome. Sure sounds like something a Russian bot like @Deranged Rhino probably came up with that while working for Cambridge Analitica with Brittany Kaiser during the campaign leading up to the 2016 election. You guys need to lay off Twitter and Facebook so much. You're being targeted. And I'm only half joking.... Maybe a quarter...

Then I finally feel like a real member of this forum since this is all I see over here from you. Minus the political affiliation, of course

Except I didn't and you're dumb

Wait, what is a "normal discussion" to you? Is that when everyone agrees? To me, that's far from a normal discussion. @Chef Jim brought up what I thought were somegood and bad ideas and I asked him follow up questions. He answered a few with what I believe aren't reasonable or feasible answers. I stated so. In your world apparently everyone agrees. At least you've made sure to diversify the type of people you've surrounded yourself with opinion wise.

No. You misunderstand. I read every single one of your ideas. Most of them I asked you questions rather than outright dismissing them. Heck I think you had some good ideas actually. I just followed up with questions like, for one, how do you pay for it? Believe me, I'm okay and will be doing my part in the classroom and through distance learning to help my students. As someone who clearly cares immensely about children without having any of his own and without being in a profession that even interacts with them, I think you should get involved a bit more. Bring your good ideas to your local school board, for starters.

But not so busy you've been able to follow along up until now in this 15 page thread and insert several of your own whining diatribes.

It's tax day and tax time is just another reminder of how terrible Donald Trump has been as a President. The guy screwed over people who itemize at tax time by getting rid of things like the Personal Exemption--a boon to middle class tax filers--in favor of a tax plan where the wealthy reap the greatest rewards. Tax benefits of home ownership have gone the way of the dodo. I have NEVER owed taxes when claiming 0 until Donald Trump came along.

Again, source? You said virtually everyone has that view of the Lincoln Project. Yeah their mission is to get rid of Trump. I know. And with good reason. But you implied that everyone on the right views them as a charade with further implications that everyone on the right disagrees with them. Source? I provided you a source with people who probably agree with them.

Soooooo... do you have a source for this or is this purely anecdotal? Are you really saying everyone you know on the right sees them this way? How does everyone you know feel about these people?