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3 hours ago, Buff76ers said:
what happens if he and Rosen are gone at 12? Now what? Then the bills would definitely be hurting. This way, they assured themselves a future QB.
Mason Rudolph would have been better than Allen by September and likely his whole career.
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22 minutes ago, Inigo Montoya said:
People are so upset about the Josh Allen pick like they know with certainty that he will fail, as if they have a time machine and have already seen his entire career play out. This board is bordering on hysterics.
Kurt Warner didn’t even get drafted and he’s in the Hall. Ryan Leaf #2 overall and was an epic fail. Tom Brady, sixth rounder, GOAT. Sam Bradford, #1 pick, highest paid player in NFL history, no rings, and at the end of the day a professional journeyman QB.
But we're all supposed to believe that Allen is going to fail and there is no doubt about it. The pick is a disaster. He has no chance to be successful. Zero. Fit Josh Rosen for his gold jacket right now. Josh Allen will be selling life insurance in Tonawanda in five years.
I’d appreciate if one of you people here who can see the future so clearly on this NFL fan message board would send me a private message, I’ve got some money to invest and I want to retire early.
Of course, it makes you wonder why they even come to this message board or bothered watching the draft. With their Nostrodamus like abilities they already knew we were going to pick Josh Allen tonight....
These types of posts are the most unnecessary and useless of all posts on messages anywhere. You're telling us to wait and see, it could be better than it appears on it's face. Enlightening.Sure it could be, but it probably won't. I'm not interested in waiting 3 years to talk about whether or not this was a bad move. If it turns out to be a great pick 5 years from now, that's irrelevant. It was a bad move TODAY. They shouldn't be given a pass if they get lucky and the kid doesn't suck. He sucked in college, badly. history suggests he'll suck in the pros. The Bills had countless chances over the last 2 drafts to grab far more accomplished prospects, and instead they sell the farm for a kid from a farm, that still belongs on a farm. Allen at 12 would have been bad enough, Allen + two high second round picks is inexcusable.
It was true in 2008 and a decade later it's still true: http://www.espn.com/nfl/news/story?id=3350135
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2 hours ago, apuszczalowski said:
It's funny how fans and media know that accuracy is something that can never improve (therefore a qb who had poor accuracy in college will never succeed in the NFL) yet Allen was still considered In the top tier of the draft this year and at times discussed as the #1 overall pick by the professional front office personal of real NFL teams...
What evidence do you have to suggest it IS possible? History is against you. Even the greats like Brees, Manning, Rodgers, Roethlisberger and Brady had career accuracy numbers within a couple points of their college careers. I really don't think you appreciate how bad 56% really is.
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We had a top 10 line last year...
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I think Peterman has as much a shot of becoming Brees as Allen does of becoming Newton. The more interesting question I think is: if he becomes as good as Cam Newton is that good enough?
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2 minutes ago, Bob in STL said:
I prefer to wait until the play a few years but I say A for now.
1. They got aggressive and moved up to take Allen. Like him or not the Bills think he is a franchise qb and they went out and got him. Had they stayed at 12 Arizona would had got him and Rosen would have fallen to Miami. If that happened this place would have exploded. To get Allen and keep 22 was excellent.
2. Edwards is much more of a sure thing. He will start from day 1.
You seriously think Arizona would have taken Allen? I don't see them being so desperate to trade up to get their last choice. Rosen was the pick all along. Makes it that much more nauseating.
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4 minutes ago, Misterbluesky said:
Everybody in WNY is ugly?
Not the ones who were imported.
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1 minute ago, bobobonators said:
College:
Allen 5066yds 44td 21int
Wentz 5115yds 45td 14int
Wentz was also in school four years at ND State.
That's a plus to wentz, not Allen.
1 minute ago, 707BillsFan said:We have a QB, let's attempt to support him. I'm all in!
And his name is AJ McCarron. Using your brain doesn't hurt as much as you might think.
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13 minutes ago, Magox said:
For those of you who believe that Beane primarily chose Allen because he is used to playing in the snow and bad weather, you are a bunch of idiots. They aren't going to put this much thought process because he has experience and the tools to play in this sort of weather. They chose him because they thought he was the best QB overall that was available for them. They clearly had Allen as either their #2 or #3 guy, they targeted him. They chose him above Rosen. Whether he turns out to be better or not is a whole another question but the fact is they thought he was the best guy for them. The weather is just a bunch of histrionics you little turds are using to justify your anger.
I think the "why" is the important part here. There are a lot of guys with huge arms pulling the night shift. What else can he do at an elite level?
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42 minutes ago, Ayjent said:
You're not seeing the parallels - they got rid of their decent, but not long-term starting QB (Fitz/Taylor) and then felt desperate to get their unproven, project QB. In both instances the decision could have been more measured and prudent without overreaching or giving up a lot of draft capital on a QB that is far from a sure thing, and has one of the biggest red flags that QBs can have - accuracy issues (both EJ and Allen were rated very low in that respect).
If you want to argue about differences, you could make the case that Manuel had already hit his ceiling in college - he was who he was by the time his senior year came around. Allen seems to have a little more room to grow playing with more talent around him (but maybe not in front of him - the OL isn't looking too good right now). I hope that I am humbled and wrong - I want the guy to succeed now that he is a Bill, but I'm pretty confident that the Bills didn't get the best QB available to them in the past two drafts and that is how you've got to assess this draft - they moved back last year and gave up opportunities to move up this year - will Allen be better than Watson, Mahomes, Rosen and Jackson - that should be how this should be judged.
i'm just really happy the Browns spurned the Bills for the 4th pick. The price must have been insane and it was definitely the same player. I would have had to go to the hospital. -
Kinda funny to think they needed to pass on Watson last year so they could get ammo to trade up for Josh Allen. I guess it's just a different level beyond my comprehension.
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D+ We traded 5 top 56 picks for a QB that has no skills outside of a big arm and a 19 year old LB prospect. Beane is a guy that loves measurables it seems, and there's a graveyard of NFL GM's that fell in love with Jeff George, JaMarcus Russel, and Brian Bosworth's of years past. The linebacker had a good year, and probably stands a reasonable shot to be decent. Allen on the other hand, it doesn't even feel fair to call him a bust candidate. He's a 4th round talent that became a darling.
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2 minutes ago, Shotgunner said:
It's easier to give someone like Allen alot longer than EJ. EJ had no elite skills. Being that Allen is a height/weight/arm strength prototype, he will naturally get more time imo.
Besides the mentions of Rosen's general douchebaggery, injuries were likely a big factor in why McBeane went with Allen. Even draft grade comparisons put his comp as Bradford.
Manuel had prototypical size too. He's a huge dude.
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It was an awful lot to give up.
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I have a feeling we'll know who he is in 6 games. That's about how long Manuel got. However, my hope is that McCarron makes Cinci look like fools and Allen never plays a snap.
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I hope McCarron keeps Allen on the bench for his entire career as a bill and we trade his sorry Rob Johnson ass to the Jaguars for multiple 1rsts.
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He might be the greatest QB to don a pair of shorts since JaMarcus Russel.
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12 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:
Winners are getting better every single day, or at least attempting to. Everything they do they think made them better. It permiates in everything they do.
Winners never suggest that their last win or winning season for that matter, gives them an opportunity to ease off.
It won't always work, but I guarantee they expect to earn the right to compete for the championship next year. And I wouldn’t want it any other way.
As someone with a lot of skill-based hobbies, sometimes you have to temporarily become worse so that you can become better over the long haul. This is what golfers do when they create a new swing at 35 or Phillip Rivers decides to change his throwing motion. The same thing happens organizationally. Trying to go for it all when you aren't prepared usually sets you back a long ways. Regardless, this has gotten way off topic.
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8 hours ago, PolishDave said:
The first part was a joke due to your poor English. Don't get so mad bro.
You're saying that. I never said it. That's homo talk. The staffs are mostly dudes. Get your mind out of the gutter. You think these managers just want to drop their pants and throw ass glances at the rest of their staff? Weird man. Just weird. Not that there is anything wrong with that.
Just because a rookie has never won a Superbowl doesn't mean there won't be a first time and it doesn't mean you give up trying and go into the season with the assumption that you can't win it all. How incredibly lame.
If winning isn't the goal and winning a Superbowl every year isn't the goal, why even play the game.
Why even watch the games?
I get it. As a Bills fan you are used to losing and have been beaten to submission over the years where you just want to throw the towel in earlier and earlier every year. This year for you, you're throwing in the towel even before the draft. Yikes.
The Bills were good before and can be again. There is no reason why they can't be this year. Beane, McDermott and his entire coaching staff know this. The existing players on the team know this. And I bet, as of right now, they intend to win every single game this year - one at a time. If Beane or McDermott possessed the attitude you are assuming they do, I doubt they ever would have risen as high as they already have in their careers. They would have been weeded out of the NFL by now.
I feel sorry for your defeatist outlook this early in the year. Pet a dog today. It's national puppy day. You'll feel better.
Looks like my assumption was correct. You incorrectly parsed the most simple and straightforward of messages, and added a little bit of non-sequiter homophobia for added flair. Well done.
0/10. Try again.
3 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:Thats not my point. If these guys are deciding what to do or not do based on the likelihood they will be fired, they just need to be fired.
Winners don’t worry about how to avoid losing- They are busy looking forward determining how to keep building and get better.
If they get it wrong and suffer a consequence, so be it.
McDermott isn’t some wuss cowering in the corner trying to prolong his tenure... and if he was I’d want him out immediately
You understand that in order to see your vision through to completion you have to have time though, right?
He had to right the ship to prove to the players, staff, and management what they're capable of. He also had to assess what he had.
Now they'll look at replacing the beams and braces.
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43 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:
raver are you ?
Nope, hate electronic music. I've just had life experiences. "YOLO" and all that.
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On 3/20/2018 at 5:55 PM, The Red King said:
After reading a post on Polian that mentioned Edwards, I figured I could put up a non-draft related one as a change of pace.
Trent Edwards started hot out of the gate, giving us hope for the first time in awhile. And then we played the Cards, and Trent was blasted into next week. The purpose of my post is to see if anyone holds my theory, that Trent never fully recovered from the concussion. That, had he never been concussed, he might well have been a star QB.
I know, I know, I can feel your skeptisism. I shared it. But then I saw it. One specific game against Miami made me question. Edwards took a shot, and something seemed to click. He was sharper, more decisive. He led them to an impressive, efficient TD drive. A later hit and he was back to captain checkdown. But what really drove it home was far later that game. 3rd and long, and yet again he checked down and took off...even though it was obvious he wouldn't make it. He was run out of bounds 2-3 yards shy. Or...was about to be. He ran to the sideline and then just pulled up and stopped, not past the sideline but just before it. Even the defender seemed confused. He eased up, and just as he was about to make contact, Edwards finally stepped out.
Once I saw that, I knew something was still wrong with Edwards. I went from being frustrated with him, to pitying him. And wondering, was the Edwards we saw him at his best, or were we watching a quarterback that never recovered from an early concussion? What do you all think?
If I remember correctly it was Actually 4th down with the game on the line. Going into the Cards game he led the NFL in nearly every category and looked like he was a lock for the Pro-Bowl and the drought was over. It was a really sad day. I was in Seattle and the run had brought 200-250 people into the Bills Backers bar to cheer for the Bills. The next week there were 10 of us.
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On 3/20/2018 at 9:30 PM, H2o said:
I got money on Spice or Molly and the league will surely have their say in it. He may just be ****ing crazy and not like Robert Woods crazy. Who knows at this point, but you have to be prepared.
Have you ever taken Molly? This was the opposite of what it does. Molly is out of your system in days and spice doesn't even register. No one will ever know.
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1 hour ago, Ol Dirty B said:
I don't, it is a guess. It's a deal that appears to benefit all sides. I'm not trying to make it look like anything. I don't really care what you or whoever thinks I know or don't know.
I do know that the majority of cases end in a form of a plea deal because it is least expensive to all parties involved and easier on prosecutors and defense attorneys, especially overloaded public defendents. Some people oppose this, others just see it as how the legal system can function. If everyone went to trial it'd be a disaster.
But again whatever, why would I make this my thing to die on. I'm not claiming inside sources, or to be an expert, I do know a bit and this is my opinion.
I also think he should have been charged, and someone of a lesser economic status wouldn't have been so fortunate.
Anyone who wants to come off like I'm claiming something can !@#$ off. It's an opinion.
But... why do you sound like a lawyer?
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3 hours ago, PolishDave said:
Who are you agreeing with? You were the first person to post. Do you have split personalities? Are you agreeing with yourself?
If their goal for the upcoming season isn't to win the Superbowl, then fire them now and hire someone who is going to try to win the Superbowl.
I don't buy into the mindset of "waiting till your team is better" to try to win a Superbowl. Total nonsense and total B.S. You play to win every game regardless of what players you have on the team.
The mindset you are portraying here is that of a person who thinks losing is acceptable. It's only acceptable when you have exhausted every resource and left every ounce of effort on the field. If that wasn't good enough, so be it. It certainly is not acceptable heading into a season before you have even played a game.
Finding a QB this year isn't good enough. Not finding a QB is unacceptable and will get them fired in a couple years.
I take it reading comprehension is not your strong suit? I'm agreeing with their hypothetical assessment that they've bought some time. If you honestly think that every manager is trying to shoot the moon with every staff they have at all times, I'd love to know what else is in that head. They'll say they're trying to win a championship, but that's cliche nonsense. A rookie QB has never done it, and this team has a lot that needs to improve to compete with the modern NFL where every championship team is built like the yankees of old. Losing is acceptable when winning isn't the goal.
2 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:....I'd bet he is currently working with 2018 AND 2019 windows.........some of my speculative opinions are that he created more latitude by widening the gap between picks, 12 and 22, versus 21 and 22.....back to back leaves him 15 minutes on the clock to deal...for now, he stays put at 12 and 22, as things unfold (doubt he intends to move up).....he has Plans A and 1-A for QB's on his radar at 12...if one or both are available, he choses...if not, he may go OL/DL or DL/OL (maybe LB?) depending on preference and looks to 22 for his QB Plan B, perhaps the Rudolph guy........if his guy(s) are gone at 12 and his Board has no one else valued at 12, he may trade it for a late 1st and a 2nd, but still takes Rudolph (some advocate Jackson)...... he could still go OL/DL or DL/OL with the 1sts, gamble that Rudolph is there in the 2nd (IF that is his eventual guy) OR look QB later in the 2nd+ for Falk, Lauletta, White, etc....his 2019 window is probably looking at potential draftees as well as UFA's in a year when he'll have $85+ mil in FA dollars to spend...other than Star contract, he hasn't done much long term with FA dollars which could be a bigger year for REASONABLE signings......just don't see him as a major investor of draft capital in ONE player and he certainly has not been a major investor in FA capital in ONE player (Star possible exception)....probably a DEAD WRONG read, but I don't see McBeane/McD/McDaboll in the same discussion as "Ditka whole draft for Ricky", "Boy Danny Snyder's King's Ransom for RG II 5/8" or "Vikes Boatload For Herschel"......but what the hell do I know?...........
I tend to agree with this, though I think if Rudolph is there at #22 he has to take him. I'd rather they do that then sell the farm for their 3rd choice, or Allen at any pick. I think we're looking at the beginning of a 2-3 year plan, which is a world in which Hughes, McCoy, Williams, Incognito, and maybe Benjamin are no longer here.
interesting... tyrod taylor college completion percentage 56.65
in The Stadium Wall Archives
Posted · Edited by BullBuchanan
Not really. Tyrod has the lowest YAC in the league over his career. He robbed peter to pay paul.