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    If you’re upset about the WR room - BLAME DIGGS

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    1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:

    Ok but if there's nothing at all to it you're spending a decent amount of energy defending the honor of a guy who's worth on the open market a 2025 5th round pick and negative 3 million dollars

    You mean a 2nd round pick?

    Randy Moss was traded for a 4th round pick and and then he had the best season of his HoF career. I could easily see Diggs doing a similar thing under the Texans.

    I'm not about to start thinking that this FO has any idea what they're doing when they made Dawson Knox the 6th Highest paid TE
    when they signed Von Miller to $120M,
    when they gave Deonte Hardy a stupid contract based on no production,
    when they completely mangled the Hines acquisition,
    when they mishandled Wyatt Teller,
    when they were paying guys like Neal and Matakevich big money to play special teams,
    when they previously shipped out a ton of players for very little in return just because they weren't their guys.

    I have no faith in McDermott at all, and only slightly more so in Beane. if they didn't completely luck into Josh Allen turning the lights on in year 3 with the biggest improvement for a QB in NFL history, they're both out of a job years ago. McDermott would be coaching secondary for the Steelers and Beane would be a scout or bizdev guy somewhere.

    If you’re upset about the WR room - BLAME DIGGS

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    3 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

     

     

    He was traded.  We took on 26 million in dead cap.  He was a no show last June.  I defended him believing there were issues with Dorsey/offense.  We fired Dorsey.  
     

    He was still traded.  

     

     

     

     

    Which ones were dealt by their teams and which stayed and won a SB?

     

     

     


     

    He was traded.  We took on a 26 million dollar dead cap hit.  
     


    Would you like more evidence he was a massive problem?  
     

     

    You want to blame the Organization and McD go ahead.  This is now twice Diggs did this.   

    Yes. I would like any evidence because all you're doing here is proving me point. Your entire argument is , "well, it HAD to be something". Could have literally been anything. Maybe he and McDermott had a different favorite flavor of ice cream. You have nothing to substantiate your claim, just like thousands of other Bills fans, yet you've crafted a narrative for yourself that helps you make sense of it all.

    There might be something to it. Maybe he kicked a pregnant lady and her pregnant dog, but you don't know. You'll probably never know. You just find it easier to blame a guy that isn't here anymore than the people still here who will almost certainly continue to underachieve without him.

    Beane: "This team is in transition"

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    6 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

     

     

    Not even close. Reloading is a factual difference in approach, meaning you can still be competitive this year and certainly next. 

     

    Rebuilding means you have no chance the next two years, and an extremely slight chance in year 3, and you have a new GM. If you are a GM trying to sell your owner a rebuild you'd better have a couple of Super Bowl championships under your belt, because you're telling the owner that the roster you built has no realistic chance for a championship anytime soon and so you need to throw it all out and start over. Without championships you're telling the owner that you just weren't a good enough GM.

     

     

    Many rebuilds are silent - maybe they are pitched as "retooling" but that's not what they really are. To me retooling is when a team loses or gains key players and completely shifts their philosophy and how they win. We saw this in Brady's NE, Peyton's Indy, Mahomes' KC - the silent rebuilds are what we saw in Rivers' SD, Rodgers, GB, Rothlisberger's Pit. There were absolutely seasons in Green Bay and Pittsburgh where they had no shot to win a super bowl but they were still gonna go on and win 10-11 meaningless regular season games and ditto for San Diego and Pittsburgh.

    That's exactly where we are right now, imo. We can win 10, 11, 12 games, but we have as close to a 0% shot to win this Super Bowl as you can get. I know, I know - we have Josh Allen. I've seen enough great QBs on massively flawed teams to know that's not nearly enough to get it done. Watching the Bills try to win with their previous and current iterations of the team is a little reminiscent of watching Peyton Manning stack accolades and division championships until they had enough pieces come to together in their second iteration of the team to finally get past New England.

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    Speed: I do the math here

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    2 hours ago, mrags said:

    The argument wasn’t who was better. I could have picked another pic not showing the best WR to be the best was also the slowest. The argument was the fact that 3yards is a hell of a lot when we’re talking about a WR being open. 

    but that argument goes out the window on game days. Dude's don't run straight lines in shorts against air. I'm not saying speed doesn't matter, but 40 time is historically a pretty weak indicator of NFL success.

    If you’re upset about the WR room - BLAME DIGGS

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    3 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

    I mean they convinced Pegula to spend $3M to not have him on the team , I don't need any more proof he was a legitimate problem

    It's nice to see you have a suddenly renewed blind faith in our front office.

    Diggs has become the "emotionally exhausted" of the 2024 season around here.

    If you’re upset about the WR room - BLAME DIGGS

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    5 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

    Lol since when is that the standard

     

    The fact that people still carry water for this guy is a source of sincere amazement

    I think it has to be the standard since people are spouting off about the guy like he told their mothers to ***** themselves. People are carrying water for Allen that he never asked anyone to do. Allen has always said they're brothers, he said he texted Diggs after the trade, he repeatedly said the media was wrong about him and yet people invent these stories like they hated each other. Based on what?

    I'm not saying that there wasn't a problem, but there isn't a person ont his message board that knows for certain that there was and what it was about.

    They blew up at each other one the sideline that one time? You've honestly never seen that happen on a sideline?

    Does this guy "have to go"?
     

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    How about this guy?

     

    First look at Bills 2024 roster

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    9 hours ago, BuffaloRebound said:

    The only question mark would be Von giving us what Floyd did. 

    Zero percent chance of that happening unless you're talking about the part where Floyd had 1 sack across his last 8 combined games. Miller might get to 1 this year.

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    Speed: I do the math here

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    10 hours ago, mrags said:

    Here. This is much easier to show the difference of speed. Almost the exact times we’re talking about from a 4.6 to a 4.3. It’s actually a lot. 3yrds is almost 10ft. That’s a lot when your talking about separation on a CB. 
     

     

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    10 hours ago, KDIGGZ said:

    That's the difference between open and not open

    That's only true if the CB knows exactly where you're going and how you'll get there. Most of the game played between WR and CB is disguising that information.

    Isn't it telling that AB was the most productive of any of those players by a large margin and was also the slowest?

    Beane: "This team is in transition"

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    8 hours ago, HappyDays said:

    This quote from Beane defines the entire draft strategy:

     

    He is giving it to us straight. The Bills are in a rebuild year. So he went for all team captains. Guys that interviewed well. Guys that he believes set a new foundation of leadership in the building. He hunted for short term needs that fit the singular character profile he and McDermott feel comfortable with, at the expense of talent at premium positions. And he is telling the fanbase to temper our expectations without coming right out and saying it.

     

    I'm not gonna grade a draft until we see how all the players turn out, but the overall philosophy shown this weekend is deflating and uninspiring.

    I've been saying this since we cut ties with all of our captains in the offseason and no one wanted to hear it because of who was saying it.

    1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said:

    Transition is way different than rebuilding 

     

    It's closer to reloading... 

    "reloading" is "rebuilding" with a PR spin on it. It doesn't have to mean that you tear everything down to the floorboards, but they most certainly jettisoned most of the the core of the team this year. The rest of the old core will be dumped last year. The only players who might survive will be Dawkins, Allen, Oliver and possibly Milano.

    If you’re upset about the WR room - BLAME DIGGS

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    1 hour ago, Big Blitz said:


     

    I’m pretty sure that’s what they told him in June 2023.  Because it’s clear as day now that Diggs wanted out after the Cincy game.  
     

     

    Anyone still defending him now - I don’t understand it.  And I defended him in June 2023.  I thought if it was about Dorsey he had some merit.  It was understandable to be questioning the hiring of a first time OC. 

     

    But it wasn’t that.  We fired Dorsey mid season.  The offense looked like something was wrong.  I can’t possibly imagine what it was (Diggs).  But we still make a miraculous run to the playoffs despite injuries again on defense.  And he was checked out.  Helped get a guy fired.  Set a clubhouse on fire.  Because he always knew he would continue to demand for a trade and of course the team knew it.  Yet we still played our ***es off to get in.  

    And knowing we had to deal with this clown and still won thru it all, it does make McD’s performance as HC impressive - his team stood up for him and they didn’t quit on him when they could have especially knowing the Diva was checking out.  Looks like they didn’t agree with whatever Diggs beefs were.  
     


     

     

    If folks want to say this will be a wasted year - and believe me I understand - I’ll just argue last year with Diggs on this team was a wasted year.  Raise your hand if you think Beane should have traded him in March 2023 and if you’d have been good with that?

     

    It was a no win situation for us.  We were paralyzed by his antics and whatever freaking falling out he clearly had with Josh.  Who I really want to stop referring to Diggs as his brother.  Just say he was great for us on the field for 2 regular seasons and the first 8 games of 2 other regular seasons.  Thank you for your service.   

     

    I've never seen anyone exaggerate about a player more than Diggs. The guy never said a peep in public that degraded the Bills, and by all accounts he was BFFs with the QB.

    There's absolutely ZERO evidence to suggest he was a cancer in the locker room. We've all been alive long enough to see Michael Irvin, Terrell Owens, Keyshawn Johnson, Chad Johnson, Antonio Brown and tons of other WRs forgotten to time who were all selfish, rude a-holes who threw their teammates and organizations under the bus repeatedly. The most Diggs ever dig was leave cryptic 1 lines on twitter that never made any sense or meant anything just to screw with people. Big deal.

    If he had a beef with anybody within the Bills organization, no one here has any knowledge of it.

    If you’re upset about the WR room - BLAME DIGGS

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    5 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

    For the record, I’m not upset about the WR room.  
     

     

     

    The vision Beane had for this offense in 2024 simplified:

     

    Diggs

    Coleman

    Shakir 

    Samuel 

     

     

    Then add all our draft picks except the Duke DT and you’d have our team.  Pretty dang good.  
     

     

    But this organization was thrown into mini turmoil bc of Stefon Diggs.  Period.  If your take is “Beane has neglected WR and this is what happens” you’re just wrong.  
     

    Diggs was supposed to give us 2024 and 2025.  
     

    He quit (as we know now) at the end of 2022 and throughout 2023.   
     

     


    I refuse to trash Beane over the WR room that was supposed to include Stefon in the plan until he tapped out and quit.   
     

    Quite frankly, I’m sick of the fan base rushing to defend Diggs over the GM that oversaw the construction of this perennial SB contenders roster.  
     

    It’s embarrassing. 
     


    I’ll be rooting for Coleman and Shakir harder than I’ve rooted for 2 Bills WRs.  And if we need more ammo I trust Beane, whose cap is all screwed up this year bc of Stefon, will find more ammo.     
     


    Go Bills!

    Diggs didn't trade himself.

    Live 2024 NFL Draft thread - Rounds 4-7 (Do NOT tip the Bills pick)

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    Just now, TheWeatherMan said:

    Yes…it matters!  You don’t draft non starters in the first 2 rounds.  

    You do when you draft 28th and the talent isn't there. The Safety will be starter this year, just maybe not "day 1". The WR will likely get 60% reps - that's starter level even if he starts the year as "WR3". The RB will likely get 30-40% snaps - that's a significant role. The DT will likley get 40% of the defensive snaps. Does it really matter if they dont get another 10-15% that the "starter" gets?

    The biggest deal is at the safety spot where whoever starts will have 80-90% of the snaps.

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    Live 2024 NFL Draft thread - Rounds 4-7 (Do NOT tip the Bills pick)

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    1 minute ago, gonzo1105 said:

     

    I don't think i've ever seen you this positive lol

    I'm generally positive when I have reason to be and negative when I have reason to be. I think it was a solid draft for depth given what we walked into it with. I have concerns about where our elite defensive players for the next 1-3 years are going to come from, but we weren't in much of a position to do anything about that this year. I would expect next year we'll have to focus on a couple of playmaking defenders. I anticipate needing at least a dominant pass rusher and corner, if not a LB too.

    For those that don’t like the Coleman pick

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    6 hours ago, whorlnut said:

    For those of you that aren’t thrilled about the Keon Coleman pick…remember one thing.  Word came out that he was the last receiver left on Allen’s wish list. Thats a big deal. Why would Beane not want to consult the face of his franchise when trying to get him more weapons?

     

    This tells me that Allen’s wish list included Harrison, Nabers, Odunze, Coleman, and probably Thomas. Think of it this way…if worthy, pearsall, or legette were on that list, they would have taken them at 28, or at most 32 for legette. I’m sure Beane would have liked to have traded down another time, but he could have risked losing Coleman.

     

    I wasn’t overly thrilled with Coleman being the guy, but while he might lack separation on tape, and a good 40 time, he also had amazing splits in the 40 and other drills. The drills are where the football comes out in these guys…you know, catching the ball. Haha. Anyways…when you look at the bigger picture with Coleman, it’s not a bad pick at all. The guy is really athletic, has great hands and body control…and most of all…Allen wanted him.  

    Idgaf what player the quarterback likes in the draft. It's not his job to understand draft prospects. Given he doesn't watch his own tape, I don't imagine he's spending hundreds of hours breaking down WR prospects.

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    16 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

     

    We try to win a Championship every year. Otherwise why show up at all?

     

    I think what you and others are trying to say is, we arent going "ALL IN" to win a Championship this year.

    I think you're going out of your way to be obtuse about this. There's a world of difference between going all-in to win a Super Bowl, like the Rams did for instance and being well prepared and equipped to win a Super Bowl like the 49ers, Ravens, Texans, Eagles, Lions, and Chiefs are.

    Most teams in the league aren't trying to win a Super Bowl in a given year. Would they like to?

    Sure.

     

    Will their players and coaches do their best to do so?

    Absolutely.

     

    Will their roster and coaching staff be constructed in such a way that they have a realistic shot at doing so?
    Definitely not.

    Beane knows that the roster will undoubtedly be weaker than it was last year. You can't lose the talent we've lost and  upgrade over it in a season. You don't make the signings he made in the goal of upgrading over what we had. He looked at what we had been doing with the way the roster was built, concluded that the best days of that build were behind us, and took some short term pain to set us up better for the future and a new window that will hopefully last the rest of Allen's career.

    The pain isn't over. We're going to have to eat dead money in Von Miller's deal, likely Knox's deal, and possibly Milano's deal.

    I have no doubt Allen wand McDermott will give it their best shot, but if it wasn't good enough the last 5 years, it sure as hell won't be in 2024. Hopefully it will be next year if some of our picks turn into stars, but my hopes are on 2026.

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