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1 hour ago, Eastport bills said:
The reason they changed OCs was because they stunk and couldn’t score in the first half of several games and Dorsey was afraid to go away from Diggs who demanded the ball. even though tried to take him away with extra coverage. They were falling out of the playoff picture.They made the offense multidimensional and Diggs never got near 100 yds receiving in the last 9 games. He had more drops in big games than in 3 seasons combined. What is this unfounded defense of this me first, Buffalo hating diva about?. Do you remember him getting in Josh’s face when the whole team collapsed against the Bengals and we had to justify that crap by explaining how ultra competitive he is.Watch him cancerize the Texans now. That’s why they paid him more next season to eliminate the final years of his deal. He’s in the rear view now, no more defending this waste of time.
I LOVE that diggs got in Josh's face. Someone had to. He was the only guy on this team that wanted to win and seemed to actually put the work in. Josh is far more concerned with chasing Hollywood tail and golfing.
I love how hard Josh plays, but he just doesn't put the mental work in and it's the reason he doesn't have a ring yet, and perhaps never will.
They've never had less accountability or more excuses to fall short than they will in 2024, and that's what I fully expect to happen. "A lot of new faces" "It took us a while to gel" "We ran out of steam" "emotionally exhausted" etc. Is a loser culture in that locker room full of soft personalities and a weak coach. Diggs didn't fit that and that's not a him problem, it's a Bills problem. Looking forward to Dawkins showing up out of shape as per usual too.-
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38 minutes ago, Beck Water said:
Not to mention he fumbled a catch and let a ball go through his hands earlier in that very game
Do you mean when he was in heavy contact? Yes, he should have caught the ball, but it's not like he was wide open.
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4 minutes ago, Beck Water said:
Oh, Decisions Decisions.
Who to believe, professional tape watchers like Greg Cosell who say unambiguously that Diggs is no longer a #1 WR at this point in his career, because he has lost the abilities to separate more than 10 yds past the line of scrimmage?
Or someone whose chosen screen name leads off with "Bull"?
based on credibility alone? Probably me since I don't have a financial interest in making headlines to stay relevant.
40 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said:That's a huge assumption there. Josh just needed to target Diggs? Like Diggs wouldn't have to catch the ball?
Remember the easy screen to Diggs in the Denver game, meant to chew up time at the 12, with 2:12 remaining in the game? Diggs dropped that. Huge drop from a game management perspective. Diggs was not the same clutch guy the second half of last season, not at all.
Given that Diggs was wide open by about 10 yards and he has the highest career catch percentage of any buffalo bill with more than 500 receptions, yea, I think a target put anywhere near his vicinity would have been as close to a guaranteed win as a team gets in this league.
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3 hours ago, Eastport bills said:
I get you’re a big Diggs fan but you have to acknowledge his fall off that coincided with the new OC and the Bills resurgence. This transformed version of Diggs demanded targets at the expense of the team’s fortunes. When the game plan featured more run game and spreading the ball around to Shakir, Kincaid and Cook, the Bills won 6 of 7 and the division. He looked like a tentative shell of his former self in that KC game and dropped the potential game winner on a perfect throw. Then proceeded to be a me first distraction, putting himself before the team that was paying him a fortune. It’s small wonder the Texans converted his deal to one year and we’ll see what happens. His lack of appreciation for this fanbase that embraced him is not the look you’d expect from a classy HOF type player.
I explicitly called this out, so yea. I don't even agree that he fell off at all, he simply wasn't a big part of Brady's scheme for whatever reason. Players don't go from elite to washed mid-season without injury. People are blaming Diggs for a gameplan outside of his control. Of course, there's no excusing his drop in the KC game. That said, If Allen targets him instead of Shakir at the end of the game, we win.
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1 hour ago, Eastport bills said:
Allen knows Diggs is not a top 10 receiver anymore but he’s become a constant distraction with demands for targets and attention. He’s outlived his usefulness in Buffalo and he needs to play elsewhere. I loved Diggs and appreciate his role in Josh’s development and putting us in the hierarchy of the league but we’re ready for a younger, more dynamic playmaker.
Not sure I've seen more hyperbole in NFL fandom history than calling a perennial top 5-10 WR washed after a 1200 yard 8 TD season - all because he didn't light up the stat sheet directly corresponding to a change in coordinator. His "washed up" season was the 12th best receiving total in Buffalo bills history by raw yardage, 18th best in YPG, and 11th (T) in TDs.
I fully expect him to have an equal or better season next year, outperforming any receiving we draft.-
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Amari Cooper stared hot and then had 2 terrible seasons before becoming a star with Dallas.
Garrison Hearst took 3 years to get going
Thomas Jones didn't flash until the very last few games of his 4th season and then became a star with the bears in year 5th.
Vinny Testaverde is maybe the NFL's greatest longevity success story in spite of results. Does that count?
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1 hour ago, Mikie2times said:
This is all three players from the age of 27-30, namely the years Diggs played for the Bills.
Lets pretend Reeds additional 9,015 Yards and 60 TD's or Moulds 5,351 Yards and 23 TD's didn't also happen as a Bill. Along with Moulds 240 yard record setting playoff performance. Lets just go off the exact window of time all three played here. You don't think Reed is going to catch Diggs pretty easily with 174 more targets? You don't think Moulds isn't producing those same stats with a starting level QB? Let alone Josh Allen?
This is one of your worst takes and that's saying something.
Pretending is the only way your take makes any sense. Commanding targets is an indication of skill. It's also worth noting that Diggs catch percentage is over 9% higher.
I'd love for one of you guys to pose an actual argument here based on numbers. So far it's just making excuses for the era in which Reed played, playing imaginary "what if" games, or when all that fails falling back on a general attack of my arguments in general (again with no supporting evidence).
Of course, lost in all this is the fact that most of the board is trying to run Diggs down like he's a bum when all of the evidence shows that he was so good he outperformed the best WR Buffalo ever had before him, who is now on the Wall and in the Hall. It's such an insane amount of disrespect for a guy that never did anything but play 100% and never said or did a bad city to or about this city or its fans. It's disgusting.-
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How often do total bust WRs turn it around? I'd rather draft someone from a D3 school in the 7th that we haven't seen be awful in the NFL yet.
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1 hour ago, SoTier said:
I don't think it was meant as a criticism of Diggs, so much as an example of another difference in the way the game was played 30 years ago and how it's played today.
It's absolutely a criticism of Diggs when you say he was worse than a guy who was rarely at the top of the league against his contemporaries. No doubt the game is played differently than it is today, but why did he only crack top 5 receiving numbers 4 times in 16 years? Tim Brown had no trouble despite far lesser QB play.
1 hour ago, <bills4life> said:-Oh 100 percent. I have zero issue with Diggs and his style of play. I understand it.
-That is where we disagree. Back then a running attack was more predominant than passing for most teams. Exception being Houston. This is a passing league now. With rules where u can’t touch wrs. A game made for offense and scoring. Much less clutching, grabbing, head hunting etc.. Reeds numbers would absolutely be much better.
-outside of rice not too many. Carter/irvin maybe-and playoff football? Reed over Diggs all day.
Why are you arguing about things that are facts?
Andree reed played in 21 playoff games with 85 total receptions and 9 TDs averaging 58.5 YPG. Diggs meanwhile has 14 playoff games with 69 total receptions, 4 TDs and 64.9 YPG. This board is ridiculing Diggs for disappearing in playoff games, leaving no mention of Reed doing the same. In 3 playoff games from 95 to 96 Reed had a combined 16 targets for 5 receptions for 52 total yards. Andre Reed failed to score a touchdown in his final 11 straight playoff games. 11 straight games.
There is no reality in which Andre Reed was a better Buffalo Bills receiver than Andre Reed. He would have broken every record reed set in probably 60% of the games if he were still here. Rose tinted glasses from the softening of history through the passage of time is a wild thing.-
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7 minutes ago, <bills4life> said:
Fair enough. I should have reworded to “rarely goes over the middle and makes business decisions after catch as to avoid injury”. I am also not speaking poorly of him. Awesome wr and loved his passion. But some people need a reality check when we start throwing out terms such as best bills receiver ever. It’s like saying Mario Williams was better than Bruce smith.
You understand that he and the team knew that he had far more value being healthy and available than proving he was a touch guy by taking unnecessary hits right? He's remained remarkable healthy during his time here considering we've shoveled him 644 targets in 4 years while Andre reed had only 941 IN 15 YEARS as a Bill.
Nobody wants their #1 $20M dollar WR taking punishing hits. That's what Tight Ends and inexpensive slot receivers are for. There are a lot of terrible arguments that Andre Reed was better than modern day receivers, and this is probably the worst one. His ability and willingness to catch passes over the middle doesn't nearly make up for his lack of production. Reed's best quality as a player was longevity. 16 years for a receiver in his era was insane and it's the only reason he had the aggregate stats necessary to eventually get a nod to the HoF. If he's not part of the "4 straight super bowl appearances" story, there's no way he ever gets in, because there were better players during his era and after that still aren't.-
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15 minutes ago, <bills4life> said:
The guy played four seasons here and people want to anoint him the bills best receiver ever? That’s crazy talk. Over someone who is in the hall of fame? Ridiculous. Don’t get me wrong he is a great player. But to say he was better than Andre Reed is ludicrous.
The most lukewarm take ever - Andre Reed being in the Hall of Fame is more ridiculous.
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1 hour ago, <bills4life> said:
Those 10 people who voted for “bills best receiver ever” must have been born after the 90’s.
He was far better than any Bills receiver from the 90s onward. he accomplished things Reed and Moulds never did.
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22 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:
Sure didn’t look like the best when they played Buffalo or against the Niners in the divisional round. Not saying he’s not great, but I don’t think he’s the best. I think Nick Bosa is much more of a well rounded pass rusher.
8 hours ago, Chicken Boo said:Splitting hairs here, but Myles Garrett has 88.5 sacks in 7 seasons. Chris Jones also has claim to the top spot.
9 hours ago, Paup 1995MVP said:I will take a healthy Matt Milano over him...And certainly a healthy Nick Bosa. And Chris Jones...remember him. I am sure there are several others too. If he is coming at Josh Allen one on one, he doesn't get a hand on Josh.
23 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said:Here’s the problem Parsons is legit the best defensive player in the league just approaching his prime there’s a pretty good chance the other guys go who said this before him as Jerry will find out.
Are you guys playing a game where you aren't allowed to mention TJ Watt or is he just so far ahead that when you say "the best", you really mean guys fighting for #2?-
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Best Bills receiver ever, and I don't think it's particularly close. Highest YPG by about 35%. 4th in yards and TDs despite only playing 66 games as a Bill. with one more season he would've left Lee Evans in the dust despite Evans playing 7 seasons. Highest catch percentage in the top 20 outside of Freddie. Beyond crushing the stat sheet, he was uncoverable for most of his time here, and routinely made the toughest catches look routine. We haven't had a player like that in at least the last 40 years and probably ever.
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3 hours ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said:
Has there been even a whisper of resentment towards Josh Allen other than from Diggs?
And I will stress the word whisper as Diggs has never said anything negative about Allen in public.
Of those 2 guys only 1 of them spends every February and March tweeting cryptic ***** intended to stir up drama.
Of those 2 guys only 1 of them skipped voluntary OTAs in 2023 and had the head coach "very concerned".
Of those two guys, only one of them spends that time golfing.
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1 minute ago, Fan in San Diego said:
Shakir, Kincaid, Knox, Cook, Allen, DIggs, Edmunds, Poyer, Tre White, Hyde, ... Thats why
Whaley brought up Tre White, Hyde and Poyer.
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I think we already saw him arrive last year. It was pretty clear he could handle volume then, he just didn't get it.
I really like the kid, and have since we drafted him and I looked into how he played at Boise. Long term, I think he's a #2, but he could be one of those guys viewed like a 1B.
With no other competition on the roster, I fully expect him to get at least very close to 1k if not exceed it. It remains to be seen what happens when he goes against #1 CBs instead of #3/#4, but he won't be focused all game.-
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there's no way I'd give up 5 potential starting players for a top prospect at any position unless it was QB. I'd much rather we just draft 5 WRs and take our shot that one or more of them are good. It's not like top prospects are a sure thing. They bust all the time.
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I think we would have won at least 1 super bowl. Frasier/McD's candy ass defense has killed us in the playoffs.
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3 hours ago, Success said:
The Texans are being overrated.
I said it yesterday - people should check their schedule last season. They didn't beat many good teams. They'll have a 1st place schedule this year, and won't catch teams by surprise like they did in '23.
Not that they won't be in contention, but they haven't proven much to me yet.
Just tell us you didn't watch Stroud play. He already looks like a guy that's been playing for 5 years. It may not be this year, but I'll be floored if he's not a consensus top 3, if not top 2 QB within the next couple of years.
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2 minutes ago, Beck Water said:
Dude. Does the phrase "over the middle" have meaning for you?
Do you actually understand what routes Reed ran and what his role was, on the team?
Hint: James Lofton was the boundary.
You sure are super selective about how you look at stats.
Of course it does, but he was a role player, and a very good one, just not some all-time elite player that folks make him out to be. He wasn't a top player when he played and he wasn't anywhere near Diggs level. I'm not the one that started this argument but all the folks who insist on turning it into a good thing that our #1 WR is now Curtis Samuel insist on digging the hole deeper.
We'll survive without Diggs, but the narrative and agenda being created here is WILD. The whole thing is a joke honestly.-
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27 minutes ago, Brand J said:
I was in grade school and wasn’t really into football during Reed’s SB years so I can’t comment on if he’s overrated or not. What I do know is that you can’t compare stats from the 90s to the game today. This decade’s passing league is a totally different animal for receiver and QB numbers.
You could have just looked up the stats of his contemporaries. He was never elite even in his day. What got him to Canton was 4 SBs and an extremely long career (16 seasons) with high aggregate stats.
During his career his was never higher than 5th in receiving and hit that mark only twice (89 & 94). He was over 1300 yards both of those seasons , but his next two highest are just over 1100 and just over 1k. He was never top 5 in TDs in a season.
Andre Rison was a far better play who isnt in the HoF. So is Sterling Sharpe. Henry Ellard was arguably even better.-
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2 minutes ago, FireChans said:
Only if Diggs has more value here than not, which clearly Beane doesn’t necessarily agree with you on.
Well, Beane's track record isn't so great, so not sure I put much faith in him.
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Do you think Allen feels relief after the Diggs trade?
in The Stadium Wall
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Josh hasn't meaningfully improved in the last 4 years. You think he's all of a sudden going to start getting better now?
This is just a load of nonsense. We're hating Diggs now because he doesn't engage with the media? lol. ok.