[We are set at WR. Maybe we’ll grab one in Round 6.]

I would be rather shocked to see us get a WR in round 1 at this point for multiple reasons. I even think round 2 is a stretch given our needs. Samuel is basically guaranteed to be here in 2025, as are Diggs and Shakir. I would expect any rookie drafted to be brought along slowly. Maybe we use our 4th to trade up for a WR or maybe we get a couple of late round prospects and see if one of them can become the next Shakir or Gabe Davis. More likley that they'll draft Diggs replacement next year when they should have less holes to fill and it makes more financial sense.

[Nathan Peterman - Signs with Saints]

18 hours ago, KingBoots8 said:

Man, I picked the wrong career path. I’m already incompetent but likeable, but in 11 years at my current job I’ve probably made less than this incompetent but likeable dork has in one.

 

i could have sucked at football and made bank… I DO suck at football, what am I saying? PUT ME IN COACH

Working 11 years at one shop doesn't help. Gotta move around to get paid.

[CURTIS SAMUEL A BILL]

Solid pickup. It surpasses what i thought was possible in terms of talent given the money we had and the market. The money is a little rich for a guy who's perennially been called a breakout candidate that never did, but I guess it's the going rate for a warm body with a history of production. It's less than what he made with Washington, so that's interesting. With Hollywood brown going to KC fr 1/$11M, I guess Beane was looking at a different kind of market. $15M guaranteed means he's definitely here for 2 years, and in an ideal world, he's your #4 by the start of next season, making the $7M a lot.

I still have my hopes pinned on Shakir becoming our top weapon going forward. He was an absolute beast that was under utilized last year. This does give us some buffer to not have to take a WR early and given our holes on defense, we might have to wait until after the first two picks to get more weapons.

[Plans at WR?]

1 hour ago, Big Turk said:

 

Chark has a career catch rate similar to if not worse than Gabe Davis.

and he would cost about 1/3 of what Davis just got. If you could have Davis for Chark money, he'd still be here.

[Plans at WR?]

1 hour ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

Here is a list of available UFA WR's.   I highlighted ones we could still possibly target 
 

DJ Chark might be a better player and fit than any of the names highlighted.

[Chargers Release WR Mike Williams]

It's kind of insane to learn the Mike Williams has already been int he league 7 years, is just two years younger than Keenan Allen, has only amassed 309 receptions over that span and has a career high of 1146 yards receiving that he set 3 years ago. Meanwhile Diggs has 317 receptions over the last 3 years and has eclipsed that yardage total each year.

Wouldn't surprise me to see Mike Williams get paid stupid money, even though his best days are likely behind him and they weren't that good to begin with. I remember when he broke out after disappointing in his first couple seasons, but even though I've watched a lot of him and had him on my fantasy teams at various points, I never really quantified how little production he's had in his career. Big games would have you thinking he's elite but then he'd disappear and eventually get seriously injured.

I'd stay a million miles away from a guy like that on anything more than a prove it deal.

[Plans at WR?]

14 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

Alright, I know their proclivities, but 2 D early would be a terrible choice. It's a great year for WR, but not so much if you push it out to day 3 before you take one. I think the odds still favor WR in the first, and if not, in the second.

That's not the way Beane drafts. If all of the round 1 talent is gone by the time we draft, he wont take one just to take one. Ditto in round 2. We draft so late that the only way they can guarantee a Round 1 WR is to trade up, which is unlikely given how many needs we have.

[Plans at WR?]

14 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

1. Diggs

2. Kincaid

3. Shakir

4. Rookie

5. Hollins 

6. Rookie / speedy slot who doubles as a returner...

 

You're forgetting that Dalton Kincaid is the team's #2 receiver. 

No I'm not. He won't be competing for WR2. He'll take snaps away from WR3 if anything.

[Plans at WR?]

Just now, Dr. Who said:

I haven't been following the entire conversation, but I know you are often a contrarian. Does this mean you doubt there is a day 1 or early day 2 pick at WR?

I find that very hard to believe.

I expect them to draft a WR or two somewhere. I'm not certain where. I could easily see them go defense in the first two rounds though. I accounted for both scenarios in my statement.

[Plans at WR?]

Just now, BillMafia716ix said:

Hollins is a WR5. Brought in to play special teams 

We'll see. We thought the same thing about Sherfield.

Just now, Dr. Who said:

You think they're only going to carry 4 receivers, or is that Hollins and 2 rookies?

I think only 4 are likely to be active on gameday. We'll carry 5 or 6 on the roster. Shorter might be one and another late rd pick or FA could be the other

[Plans at WR?]

1. Diggs
2. Hollins/Rookie
3. Shakir
4. Hollins/Rookie

That's the plan.

[Bills sign Mack Hollins]

1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

 

You are CLEARLY saying he's not talented enough to play on a team that's supposed to be a contender.

Were the 2017 Super Bowl Champions Philadelphia Eagles good enough to be a contender that year?

I'm trying not to be insulting, but you're making it hard. Saying that the player isn't talented enough to play for a team that's supposed to be a contender IS NOT the same thing as saying that a team CANNOT be a contender if he's on the roster. It's about expectations. This is real basic sentence structure and logic dude. Nothing even to do with football at this point.

[Bills sign Mack Hollins]

2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Do you even know Mack Collins has a Super Bowl ring with the Eagles and he was their #4 WR  in targets that year?

Let me guess, Nick Foles and Alshon Jeffrey are GOATS too.

 

I want to see how you now can argue a Super Bowl contending team can't win with Mack Collins at depth WR.

I am really interested how you try to spin this.

I won't because that was never my argument.

[Bills sign Mack Hollins]

4 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

You specifically stated WR and someone at Mack Collins level isn't good enough to play on a contending team.

You then were given an example of a Super Bowl winning team with multiple WR's and Mack Collins level and below.  

This isn't that difficult and multiple people have commented on it.

 

The GOAT receiver and GOAT QB had the Chiefs at 15th in points scored at 23.1 ppg.  

 

Can you tell us all again how McD doesn't play rookies?  

I forgot why I had you on block for the last few years and now I remember. You don't understand the most basic level of common sense.

[Bills sign Mack Hollins]

1 minute ago, MAJBobby said:

What are the self created LARGE holes?

 

Did he not play rookies because he had the luxury of Vets over them.  Seems Torrence didnt sit his rookie year, neither did Brown.  Neither Did Tre.  

 

I get it Hyperbole is what you got.  

Somebody has been asleep the past couple weeks apparently:

SS, C/G, WR in addition to known holes at FS, WR, DE. We need to get 4 starters just to field a starting squad and at this point in FA we know they aren't going to be top tier. We have two realistic chances to grab rookie starters, but it's unlikley they'll perform at a high enough level at important positions to give us a realistic shot at a championship.

Hence - rebuild year.

Not saying we won't win 10+ games, but unless something massive happens, virtual guarantee we don't compete for a SB this year.

2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Yes it is lol.  It's exactly the best example.

Ok, let me know when we have a GOAT receiver and GOAT QB like KC and I'll be on board with your terrible example.

[Bills sign Mack Hollins]

2 minutes ago, Bruffalo said:

 

I'm responding directly to your statement " not enough talent to play on a  team that's supposed to be a contender"

 

Contenders have won it all with guys like Hollins in the wings. I'm not saying the Bills are anything, just that your statement is wrong. 

 

Again, they have arguably the two best players to ever play their respective positions at QB and TE. It's not a real example.

[Bills sign Mack Hollins]

1 minute ago, MAJBobby said:

I rebuild year because of a WR5 being signed?  Interesting Logic

No, a rebuild year because we created several large holes with massive holes already on the roster and we have not been serious about replacing them. We can't get a WR2 in the draft because McD doesn't play rookies. Unless there's a trade (unlikely), Hollins is your #2 for at least 6 games.

[Bills sign Mack Hollins]

1 minute ago, Bruffalo said:

The Chiefs whole WR room was filled with guys around Mack Hollins level this season and they managed to make it work. 

 

I'm not excited about this signing but it's not like he can be a Kelvin Benjamin level flop.  He's a backup/ST guys primarily with some decent NFL experience. 

Tom Brady won a super bowl With David Givens, Marcus Patton and Deion Branch too. We aren't the Chiefs.

[Bills sign Mack Hollins]

he has talent, but not enough talent to play on a  team that's supposed to be a contender. This is starting to feel like a full rebuild year.

[What if Allen and Mahomes swapped exact situations?]

1 hour ago, Draconator said:

Go to the Chiefs board then. 

Why, because I acknowledge that a clearly better player and a clearly better team are better? Why can't we just get better?

Maybe if Josh spent more time int he film room or working on his deep ball instead of his putting, he'd be able to close the gap. Maybe if McD practiced more situational awareness and tried to dissect Andy Reid's formula, he'd be able to close the gap. Maybe if Beane drafted players that better fit the system we need that had more high level potential, we'd be able to close the gap.

[What if Allen and Mahomes swapped exact situations?]

Mahomes is in a different tier than Allen. He's just so much more collected, has way better judgement and is one of the most clutch athletes I've ever seen. Physically they're about equal with a slight edge to Josh, but mentally Mahomes has a significant edge.

With that in mind, the Bills FO is such a mess that they'd hold Mahomes back, but I believe that Mahomes with the Bills likely beats Allen in the 13 seconds game and he definitely beats him this year. Maybe that doesn't materialize into championships. I think Allen probably gets one SB at least with Reid and definitely has an MVP.

[Britt Reid Prison Term Already Commuted]

32 minutes ago, Southern Bills Fan said:

I read the story and the little girl's family is really upset. They were never contacted or anything concerning his commutation. Andy Reid may be a great coach but I have to really question his parenting skills. 

He's not really a parent. He fathered a child, and then worked 80 hours a week from dawn to dusk. People that work like that shouldn't have kids to begin with. Most people shouldn't have kids for that matter. We all act like it's a thing everyone should do - kind of like driving a car. The truth is that most people are terrible at it - and they should be because there's literally no training that any of us receive for raising a human being and given that most of us have a litany of problems due to being raised with those same limitations, it makes us especially unqualified to perpetuate it.

It's like if the only career training you ever got was from the guy that started the day before and now on day two you're the trainer. It's madness.

[Legal Tampering News (lets try to keep it all in one thread) - Begins today at 3/11 Noon]

2 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

They had a franchise QB paid at top dollar for over a decade. They invested in OL. Took a RB in first round. They have had multiple productive WRs. They never found a good TE though.

Like moat teams, they just screwed up the QB position after their star retired.  They are going for the quick fix with Wilson, much like Buffalo did with Bledsoe.

It's worked in recent history - Manning, Stafford, Brady, and a few years back maybe even Warner, Gannon, Johnson count as success stories.

[Legal Tampering News (lets try to keep it all in one thread) - Begins today at 3/11 Noon]

16 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

That is exactly what I think is going to happen.  I think, and again I say THINK, we have done all we are going to do until the draft.  Post June 1st he will look at the roster then see about adding on.

 

Guys this is an almost rebuild year. We went all in and failed and as Beane said "the Bill comes due" and it did this year. This is why all offseason last year some of us said make the cuts then, don't "run it back". No Hyde, or poyer, and make some needed cuts and rely on the draft so that THIS offseason we would have taken the hit and could invest.  

Have you actually seen teams go "all in"? The 49ers went all-in, the Rams went all-in, the Eagles went all-in.

We did the opposite. This team has been running back the same team for years.

[Epenesa re-signing, 2-year deal]

Best news of the offseason. I thought he was going to get $12-$14M a year the way he flashed last season and we'd see him walk. The upside is definitely there for him to step into a fulltime starter role. Double digit sacks are definitely a possibility with the way he's been improving.