BullBuchanan
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I think they'll have the worst back to back seasons in the last 30 years and get canned after 2018. Rookie HC and Rookie GM are out there looking like rookies. They may have already lost the team, so they'll gut it after the season and leave us with nothing. Jerry will go on to win a Super Bowl with NE, and Kyle Williams story goes down as one of the saddest stories in Bills Football.
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If this new staff came in and said, "you know, we think WR is the biggest deficiency on this team, so we're going to overhaul it to give us a better chance to win. We'll trade Sammy and in return we'll be able to field a complete stable of capable Wideouts". I wouldn't like it still, but I'd understand it, and it would very well be a great move.
Instead, when a staff comes in and says, we think WR, CB, S, LB, QB are the biggest deficiencies on our team so we'll just get rid of whatever we have left that has any value and start over because we know better than the half a dozen people that came before us. Forgive me for being skeptical. History says these guys will be out of jobs by the time whatever their vision was starts to show itself - not because I know they'll be awful, but because most of these guys get fired after 3-4 years.If they knew they'd be here for 20 years like Belichick then they could go ahead and rebuild the car from the frame up, but they have no guarantee of that. You need 10% more horsepower so drop in a turbo and live with the tan cloth interior for a couple years.
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It can't get much worse at this point.
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that's really you basis of argument? just because the bills were close in a lot of games, they were essentially a 12-4 team. this is the nfl. every year arguments can be made for the bottom dwellers. we've even tried to do it as bills fans, and how has that every worked out. come up with a better argument as to why this team is almost 12-4, and i'll listen. i have no idea why you even mentioned trump in that little tantrum.
Tantrum? You can try to devalue my take all you want but it's based on logic and real things that happened. I haven't missed a game in over 25 years of watching this team, and I know they had a chance to win each of those games late in the 4th last year because they had the ball and didn't score. All I see coming out of the pro-trade crowd is a bunch of conjecture and superficial takes on how Watkins NEVER played, was ALWAYS hurt and that we should be lucky to get anything we could for him, like a 2nd rd pick and a depth corner.
Just own that you made up your minds about this before it even happened and any real discussion on the topic is completely pointless, because you have no interest in actually questioning anything.
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Coming from a division rival, despite their crass and usual condescending comments, they got it right. Their comments are spot on!!!
This post is just GOLD!:
This is the best take I've seen on the subject. Wholesale stealing it.
i was just told that the bills were 5 plays away from being 12-4 last year. let that sink in.
In which alternate universe
In a pre-Trump world where statistics and math were superior to the feels: http://www.footballdb.com/teams/nfl/buffalo-bills/results/2016
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I hope they trade Kyle Williams to the pats. He deserves a chance to win a ring. Close to being my all-time favorite Bill. Send Shady to KC or Dallas. Tyrod to Denver. Jerry to Arizona, Wood to wherever Ragland to wherever
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You think the bills were 5 plays away from being 12-4 last year? Come on Bull. If you don't think this regime can pick the right guy, I can understand that, but this team has to finally take its shot. On top of that, they don't need the first over all pick to do so. Just because you and another poster list qbs how haven't worked out, it doesn't mean buffalo will have the same fate. The bills have to try.
I don't *think* it, it's what happened. We lost 5 games by a touchdown or less and in each of those we had a shot to win at the very end of the game and couldn't get it done. Guys didn't get open, there were drops, picks, etc. It's even worse than that because IIRC if we beat miami and the jets the last two weeks of the season we were in.
If you tell me that the team wasn't capable of winning 2-3 more games out of 5 how good of a Coach & GM can you really be?
Dark days? Huh?
Feels like the HC & GM are on the same page for once
Maybe because they were both from the same team? We've tried this stuff before. We've been the Pittsburgh Bills, The New Jersey Bills, and now we're the Carolina Bills.
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I'm not sure why everyone is convinced that the bills are shooting for the 1 overall, or that you can't get a good qb outside of that spot. They have potential to trade up if needed, and if wildly lucky, can snag their guy at their position, and use the other picks to bolster the team and prepare for aging players. If you're concerned about the bills not picking the right guy, I completely get that. They have to take a shot. They're set up better this year than any other.
I'm concerned about them not picking the right guy after moving all in to do it. Coaches around the league do this constantly. They have the opinion that somehow their guys will be better than everyone else's guy and it almost never works out. In fact I really can't recall a coach & GM coming in and gutting a talented roster and coming out better on the other side. The NFL has so much parity today that it's unnecessarily. The Bills were literally 5 plays away from being a 12-4 team last year. They completely controlled their own destiny and it wasn't for a lack of talent that they didn't get the job done.
Have Beane & McDermott with their 0 combined years of experience really convinced this fanbase that in order to get 5 more touchdowns per year we need to set a fire to everything we have and start all over again? I call bull ****. The simple addition of Anquan Boldin and a healthy watkins should have been all we needed to get over the hump.
I dont want to wait another 4 years to find out if we have JP Losman and I sure as hell don't want to draft Andy Dalton or Ryan Tannehill and decide we have to hitch our Wagon to them for the next 10 years because it's as good as we can reasonably hope for. I have 0 expectations that we'll end up with a Brady, Manning, Rothlisberger, Brees etc, because you might as well play the powerball.
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So...don't even attempt at drafting your guy at qb because it's scary?
Not at all what I'm saying. My point is that the Bills are obviously putting themselves in a position to go up to #1 overall, and gutting the current team to do it, when the expected value of that pick is extremely low. The far better solution is to take many more, but less risky shots until you get someone that works. As an example, if the Bills knew they wanted a QB next year, which they obviously did, why not just draft Watson where they stood instead of trading back to draft a guy next year that may not be any better?
If they didn't like what they saw form Watson year one, do it again next year. Everyone thought the redskins were silly for taking RGIII & Cousins, and it may have been the most savvy move they've ever made, in hindsight.
You forgot Russell Wilson who went in the 3rd round in 2012. The Bills passed on him to take trade up to take TJ Graham who couldn't stay healthy and couldn't catch the ball when he was healthy!
I will add specifics to your post: there wasn't even 1 Tannehill quality QB in the 2002, 2007, 2010, 2013 drafts. It's also likely that Bortles, from 2014, won't turn out to be much, either, as he regressed last season. Moreover, even when there is a diamond in the draft, a team still has to find him. In 1999, the #1 pick, Tim Couch, went to Cleveland, Philadelphia took Donovan McNabb at #2, and Cinci took Akili Smith at #3. Minnesota took Daunte Culpepper at #11. McNabb was a bonafide franchise QB and Culpepper was decent for several years, Couch and Smith sucked.
Thanks for getting where I was going.
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7+ QBs get drafted every year and 5-6 of them flame out of the league while 0-2 of them range from too serviceable to get rid of (Tannehill, Cutler, Dalton, etc) Getting that "QB for a decade plus" is winning the lottery. The Bolts still get flack from drafting Leaf, but if he didn't go 2, he would have gone 3rd, 4th, etc.
It's not a science.
Doing all of this to most likely get the next Ryan Tannehill is far from worth it. This is the worst time I've seen in the drought. There's no light at the end of the tunnel and a coaching staff is telling us that they can sell the farm next year and get a QB that will turn around this franchise on what will end up being a team otherwise void of talent: Gonna say my goodbyes to Kyle Williams and McCoy right now as they limp through this 20 game pre-season. -
Why is everyone throwing around $20 million like that was some sort of realistic number. He probably would have been a lot closer to 10. For all the pissingand moaning that goes on around Buffalo for being a farm team for the rest of the league, I don't know how you let this slide. We just developed a top WR for another team to build a dynasty around.
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Worst trade in Bills history. Hands down.
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There is a difference between them - There were zero questions about Lynch & Peters dedication. Both got screwed by Bills in contract or playing roles. Sammy's issue has been immaturity (confirmed by Tyrod), but also his dedication to the team in the offseason. Playing pick up hoops on a twice surgically repaired foot, before you're medically cleared by the team, is a sure sign that he can't be 100% reliable
That's a pretty flippant way to use the term "immature" what exactly is OBJ then?
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We are now the Giants that beat us in the first SB.
Run. Run, Ru, pass only when needed to physical receivers. No real speed threat on O.
Tough DL and LB.
Based on the first PS game, I bet we feature Tolbert and Di Marco and not really Shady so much.
Only excitement will be the occasional Shady gash or TT scramble.
Otherwise ? Paint drying.
All said, if the D is good, it's a winning formula.
I'll watch paint dry to 11-5 and a Wild Card birth.
Where's Lawrence Taylor?
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I hope he plays ok and we pull a P Price move for a extra 1st. Then we would have 3 1st round picks, and plenty of ammo to move up and get our pick of qb.
Yea, let's take our 1rst round picks that turn into franchise players and trade them for 1rst round picks so we can gamble all over again. This is a degenerate mentality fairly prevalent with this team. Even when you win, you lose.
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Watkins was my all-time favorite draft pick, and now he'll probably go win a half a dozen super bowls with New England.The only way the Bills "win" in this scenario is if he has a great year , but lands on IR towards the end of the season. Otherwise there's no way they'll be able to afford him, and if I was Watkins there's no way I'd re-sign. I'd much rather play for a better team where I'm valued.
Thanks for !@#$ ing up once again, Buffalo.
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That's reasonably encouraging. Although the only one there I put any stock in is Mayock, and just saying he can throw out routes means it's really not strong enough for deep outs and long balls, which is the real decider. If it's strong enough for out routes he's very limited. "Can still throw the ball downfield" means nothing. On clips you can see him do that. Kiper does nothing. Matt Miller usually knows what he is talking about, or often enough.
Well, the out route and comebacks are the two hardest throws in football. Every player on an NFL roster can throw a deep ball. It just depends if that deep ball is a normal 30-40 yarder or some JaMarcus Russel 70 yarder from one knee. I really dont think that ever matters except for hail mary plays. Feel free to bring in Cardale on those.
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"Can make the necessary throws. His arm is strong enough. Can be a solid starting quarterback". Mel Kiper
http://www.espn.com/high-school/girls-basketball/video/clip?id=19086850
"A capable thrower on the run. Arm strength is good enough on out routes." Mike Mayock
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/article136524153.html
"Peterman had a strong Senior Bowl week, and in my study of his film I've seen accuracy, poise, instincts and a good enough arm to make pro-level throws across the field. "
"Despite lacking top tier arm strength, Peterman can still throw the ball down field and completes many of his passes at a high percentage."
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Mhmm.
That's Brady's scouting report, not Peterman's. I think it was supposed to be a comparison? They do have pretty similar scouting reports.
I saw a rumor on here that Yates will retire from football after training camp and immediately be hired as a QB coach in Buffalo, if I'm remembering correctly. He has connections to Dennison and ran his offense for several years, so it could be true.Strengths: Good height to see the field. Very poised and composed. Smart and alert. Can read coverages. Good accuracy and touch. Produces in big spots and in big games. Has some Brian Griese in him and is a gamer. Generally plays within himself. Team leader.
Weaknesses: Can get pushed down more easily than you'd like. Lacks mobility and ability to avoid the rush. Lacks a really strong arm. Can't drive the ball down the field and does not throw a really tight spiral. System-type player who can get exposed if he must ad-lib and do things on his own.
Summary: Is not what you're looking for in terms of physical stature, strength, arm strength and mobility, but he has the intangibles and production and showed great Griese-like improvement as a senior. Could make it in the right system but will not be for everyone. -
There hasn't been a weak armed QB to win anything since Joe Montana.
Tom Brady won a couple of Super Bowls with a Noodle and already had his gold jacket ordered before he worked on his arm strength.While some guys are born with a stronger arm than others, it's something everyone can improve.
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Strengths: Good height to see the field. Very poised and composed. Smart and alert. Can read coverages. Good accuracy and touch. Produces in big spots and in big games. Has some Brian Griese in him and is a gamer. Generally plays within himself. Team leader.
Weaknesses: Can get pushed down more easily than you'd like. Lacks mobility and ability to avoid the rush. Lacks a really strong arm. Can't drive the ball down the field and does not throw a really tight spiral. System-type player who can get exposed if he must ad-lib and do things on his own.
Summary: Is not what you're looking for in terms of physical stature, strength, arm strength and mobility, but he has the intangibles and production and showed great Griese-like improvement as a senior. Could make it in the right system but will not be for everyone. -
they get all Billsy on Day 2.
I was so proud and excited that the Bills traded down from 10 to add more draft picks - including a first-rounder in 2018. The smart teams know that the NFL Draft is a crapshoot of massive proportion - and the only solution is to accumulate as many picks as possible to increase odds that the players you draft are good. Then let them battle it out in training camp.
But no. They trade up and give up picks NOT ONCE...BUT TWICE.
No one wastes draft picks like the Buffalo Bills.
They simply cannot help themselves. They get tunnel vision on one player and are so damn paranoid that others value their guy like they do (ego) that they shoot themselves in the foot by giving away valuable picks. It's absurd how perennially dumb our organization is.
It's as if each person who is hired by the Bills gets a lobotomy on their first day as employees. It's the most realistic explanation I can come up with.
How can you support trading down as a general practice but not support trading up? They're two sides of the same coin. The end goal is to maximize value, and if a team feels they get more value by trading up than standing pat, that's following the plan. We came out of the draft with 3 likely day 1 starters. It's really hard to hate that at this point. Time will tell how good they end up being.
I hate the concept of drafting DBs in the first, and I think they went down too far/didnt get enough return, but all said and done it was a very productive, albeit boring draft. A-
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it's coach speak. McCoy isnt the starter yet either.
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Not true. You have to have a net loss of UFA's for it to come into play. Losing Brady and signing an FB would net you max a 7th.
technically - if you're talking 1 to 1. I was oversimplifying. we had something like 24 UFAs. somebody's going to get signed. I'm not worried about it at all. Bird in the hand, man.
Will McD/Beane still be here when the "future" arrives?
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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A lot of folks are buying into the message. Some people actually believe Jordan Matthews is an upgrade over Watkins, because they still can't let go of the fact we had to trade a 1rst round pick to get him. Darby had a ROTY candidate season and a bad one, so obviously any 6th round corner off the street is also an upgrade. That sponsored FB post about Eddie Yarborough is generating a lot of positive buzz too.
The 76'ers last won a division crown in 2001, wake me up when "trust the process" of a three year tank makes them a champion.