BullBuchanan
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2 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:
No it doesn't...at all.
As someone said above, you're talking about 1 incompletion per game different from those guys that were playing at big-time schools.
And the point is that completion rate can indeed be improved in the NFL, and it happens quite regularly.
As Kelly pointed out, Jim Kelly was a 55% passer in college. I think he did okay for himself.
And I said, exceptions don't prove rules. I made a specific point to say it's NOT impossible to overcome, but it is an overwhelming indicator. Which it still is. If you want to bet your life savings on Red 17, it could come up, but let's see who's ahead after 100 tries when i bet on black.
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Just now, Kelly the Dog said:
The first guy on the list is 57!
56.2 < 57 last time I checked.
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Just now, oldmanfan said:
I've said before that statistics are thrown around inappropriately in sports, especially football. There are so many dependent and independent variables to throw into a proper analysis that simply looking at one number such as completion percentage rarely can be correlated to much of anything.
You would be right, except the players haven't show that to be true.
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Just now, thebandit27 said:
Well then you missed a few key guys:
Matthew Stafford had a college completion rate of 57%
Matt Ryan was 59.9%
Carson Palmer was 59.1%
Drew Brees--the most accurate NFL passer of all time--was 61.1%
Russell Wilson was 60.1%, and that's only because he had an ultra-efficient senior season of 72% passing; in his first 3 seasons as a starter, he was 57%
Eli Manning was 60.8%
There's other guys that have had huge improvements in the pros too. Josh McCown has been in the NFL for 15 seasons, and just had his most efficient season as a passer in 2017--he completed over 67% of his passes. He was a 51% passer in college.
This post kind of proves my point. Allen was 56.2 lower than everyone there by a lot.
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Just now, oldmanfan said:
You realize if a guy throws 40 times a game (not far fetched for the college game) the difference between 60% and 56% is one pass, right? And that could be like one dropped ball. And statistically that's not really different.
That may be the case, but check the numbers. You can search anyone you want here for their college stats:
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4 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:
You sure about that?
100% positive. Backed up by the stats of every good- HOF QB over the last 40 years. Favre and Moon were the only two I found that defied the trend. I think there's one more but I forget. It's absolutely lopsided enough to be a major red flag during drafting.
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1 minute ago, Teddy KGB said:
Thats cool, I’m still standing in the give Josh some time and he’s gonna be a stud corner
That's fine. It's not impossible. 2 QBs have done it with Allen-like issues (Favre and Moon). I'm not mortgaging the house for that bet.
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1 minute ago, Teddy KGB said:
Tebow had a 66.4 college completion rate.
What is is your point here?
My point is the same as it's always been. High college completion rate is NOT an indicator of NFL success. Poor college completion rate IS an indication of NFL failure.
Just now, oldmanfan said:If it's true all four rookie QBs will fail. They are all under that I believe right now.
Is it your contention they will all fail?
See above
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Just now, Teddy KGB said:
Goff faltered too. Chill on the self kudos
Goff had a 62.3 college completion rate. What is your point here?
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7 hours ago, oldmanfan said:
How many people kept spouting off a 60% completion rate as if it was the be all and end all of how to tell if a guy can be successful?
What evidence do you have exactly that this isn't true? I made this argument over and over, and it's holding true, just like it does 99% of the time. Allen is faltering.
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17 hours ago, BuffaloSkills said:
Allen struggles to read defenses, holds the ball and then looks to run. he certainly doesn't look like a QB you take top 10
Sounds like you just described Tyrod, and I agree.
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The Chiefs Offense looks every bit the equal of the 99 Rams. I agree that we should've taken a QB that year, but the smart money was Watson there. Mahommes would have been a bust here - he wouldn't have had the veteran QB leadership, Hall of Fame coach, Tyreek Hill, Kareem Hunt, Travis Kelce, OLine, etc. that he has in KC. Mahommes has looked excellent so far, but Hill, Hunt, and Kelce were wrecking people with Alex Smith at the helm.
Hill/Hunt made Mahommes look better than he played today
52 minutes ago, Yav said:Let it go. Not a fan and can’t stand KC or their obnoxious fans that seem to think it’s ok to disrespect the national anthem.
It is ok. Might want to bone up on the history of that country you pretend to care about so much.
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As one of the biggest Allen detractors in the world, I think the kid is doing a nice job. He's managing the game which is something he never did in college as far as I saw. I like to believe he's learning what the NFL is like right now and not trying to make too many mistakes and one or two years from now he'll hopefully start getting more aggressive.
His flaws are still very much a concern to me for his long term success, but he isn't giving games away like I thought he might.
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On 9/25/2018 at 2:07 PM, PetermanThrew5Picks said:
First of all New England ALWAYS have 2 top #1 cornerbacks: Logan Ryan and Brandon Browner, Brandon Browner and Darelle Revis, Brandon Browner and Darrelle Revis AND Malcom Butler, Malcom Butler and Logan Ryan, Malcom Butler and Stephon Gilmore. At almost all these points, their #2 was better than our #1. And uh.. Devin McCourty the ENTIRE time. They value that secondary because having the strongest unit they have to support Brady getting them up points, forcing teams to air it out is a pretty darn good recipe for success.
Philly got rocked in their secondary by the way, could have used some Brady help. So did the Patriots, could have used some Butler.
If you want to point out Green Bay's 2010 superbowl team? Turns out they did what the Pats do! 2 probowl cornerbacks in CHARLES Woodson, and Tramon Williams, not to mention and up and coming Sam Shields. Again, their second best unit!
And I'll go down the list.. Seahawks had the best secondary in the league. Polamalu's Steelers had one of the best secondaries in the league. The Broncos won with a pass rush and two all pro cornerbacks in Talib and Chris Harris Jr..
I'm hard pressed to see a secondary that wasn't a huge reason for a team's success. I'll give you the Eagles.. and it skinned them alive.
They had Tramon Williams and young Sam Shields. Of course they had a loaded secondary. Haven't since, and haven't won a SB since. If you have that kind of passing attack you get a secondary to squash teams forced to pass. Patriots live and breathe by that. Post needs to be fact checked big time.
Brandon Browner was a trash corner his whole career. Probably why he flamed out of the league. Big != good. Logan Ryan and Malcom Butler are also really poor examples of star corners. They're solid players, but they aren't HOFers, and Revis was doing his swan song in NE. He wasn't half the player he was with NY. Stephon Gilmore was benched and he's probably getting cut after the season.
Playing for the Yankees might make you a star, but it doesn't mean you're great. I'm always happy to fact check for you.
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On 9/26/2018 at 11:53 PM, Alphadawg7 said:
Um, GB won ages ago...and had the best QB in the NFL. Philly got lit up for 500+ yards and the bad secondary almost cost them the SB had it not had been Foles played the game of his life. And NE has had some really good corners in the Brady era...Ty Law, Revis, Samuel, Butler, Aqib Talib, etc...so I have no idea why you would try and put Pats on that list.
Deion Sanders shifted the power from SF to Dallas when he moved from one to the other. The strength of the Seattle SB team was the secondary.
I don't know why people do this stuff. I mean there is no exact blueprint to win the SB in the NFL. Teams with great D's and a bad Offense have won, teams with Great offenses and terrible D's have won...balanced teams have won. So to hand pick a couple examples to prove you don't need a corner is absurd. You win the SB with talent...period. You keep talent where you have it, and its one heck of an advantage to have a shut down corner shadowing the other teams top WR.
If we don't keep Tre then that would be absurd. He is an elite player, you keep him. And this notion you said you would rather have 4 good corners than 1 elite one...hate to break it to you, but you aren't getting 4 good corners for the same price of Tre. Good corners don't make 25% the salary of Elite corners, so thats just nonsense. 4 good corners would cost you more than double what Tre would cost, maybe triple if we got them through FA.
You can get good corners for 4-5 million per year. If you pay $20 million to one corner, now you have trash at the other 3 spots and any QB worth his salt will just ignore the one threat out of 5 that you shut down. Good luck with that.
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22 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:
We will most certainly exercise Tre's fifth year deal. No one will trade for a player without a guarantee they will re-sign. We should re-sign Tre, because stars win in the NFL, not decent players.
Who was Philly's star corner on their super bowl team? New England? Green Bay?
Having a shutdown corner is like having an elite defensive tackle. They're neat and all, but they won't win you a championship unless you have an otherwise all time great defense.
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11 hours ago, Aussie Joe said:
Yes , Tre White is the best player on this team today...maybe he won’t be by December if JA keeps developing..
They better re-sign Tre when he is off his rookie deal...Pay him the highest CB deal if he deserves it at the time..
How good could this team be by 2022? Hopefully one trophy in the vault and another one on the way...
If he wants $20 million you trade him before the draft after year 4. I'd rather have 4 good corners than 1 elite one. Or I'd rather have an elite safety.
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Respectfully disagree with the OP. This may be the strongest version of the NFL during my lifetime. Currently, the Bills are the only terrible team that doesn't have any real hope. The Cardinals are a mess too, but they have the talent to right the ship.
Unlike most years where there are obvious bottom feeders with no hope and a bunch of known bad QBs, every starting QB in the league is either a vet with a good past history, a young player looking to be a star, a highly touted rookie, or a future Hall of Famer. There are no Aj Feeley's, Matt Cassell's, or Brock Osweiler's littering the league.
The closest you've got is Blake Bortles that just dropped 377 and 4TDs on the Patriots, while Ryan Fitzpatrick passes Joe Namath on the all time yards list while reading Rich Gannon's memoirs.
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1 hour ago, nucci said:
there are only a handful of teams that suck every year....why , excluding last year, are we always one of them?
We aren't. The bills have "sucked" in about 4 seasons or so in the last 35. The rest of the time they've been mediocre, which might suck compared to the pats, but going 6-10 through 9-7 isn't terrible. It's why we consistently draft 8-15.
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Just now, Buffalo716 said:
Fitz has a much stronger arm than Peterman lol
Short memory.
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That's a catch KB can't make
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This team isn't "winning games" regardless of the QB, so i wouldn't bother. Embrace the tank that the GM put in place and work on a sound development strategy for the younger guys and a create a great offseason plan to ensure we can competitive as soon as possible. If Allen flops this year, I hope they have the stones to pull a Brandon Weeden and grab a a marquee QB if one is available. Until you figure that out nothing matters.
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I get the complaints, but in their defense, they have a 4 hour show that runs five days a week plus a postgame. Is there really 20 hours of Bills talk that can and needs to happen on a week to week basis? Keep in mind, both of these guys have spent their entire careers covering a team that never even made the playoffs. Now that we finally made it, the team looks worse than it has at any point since the drought, so it's easy to fall right back into drought-talk.
Would it be more interesting if they had dynamic stores like "Embedded" and "Beyond Blue and Gold"? Of course, but that's not what that is. Frankly, I think it's nice to break up the same old discussions with some unrelated talk to keep the Bills stuff fresh, but I can understand if you only listen to it in the car on the way home, and you don't get what you were expecting.
Josh Allen looks on par with this year’s other rookie QBs
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I am 100% sure it is an INDICATOR of poor performance in the pros. an Indicator is not a fact, but when it's as overwhelming as it is, you can act like it's a fact, because you're far better off not betting against it.
Then you proceeded to list a pile of quarterbacks with ~60% completion percentage, which is a strong number, as evidence my statement is false. You used evidence that supports my claim to try to discredit it without any additional commentary.