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3 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:
Doesn't look promising? A roster that lost zero impact players, besides maybe Hollins, and added and improved on nearly every position group lol the same roster that was inches and a play away from being AFC champions Doesn't look promising??? WTF ! Are you trolling me?
This is the best roster in the McD Allen era
you must be so fun at parties
You can't lose what you never had to begin with.
We're still nowhere near being SB Championship material, imo. I think we need 3-4 more all-pro level players to get there.-
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8 hours ago, JerseyBills said:
This roster is loaded , especially with depth , training camp should be intense and we get the hard knocks which is fun
The roster is loaded ONLY with depth. We still lack impact players at most positions. That could change as the season goes on, but right now it doesn't look very promising.
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30 minutes ago, saundena said:
How could we ever afford this?
Ask the Saints. Just add 30 void years to JA's deal and boom!
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4 hours ago, dave mcbride said:
That's not really the story of the game. A lot of it came down to coaching decisions. For instance, BB decided to forego kicking a FG midway through in the third quarter on 4th and 13 from the 31 yard line. I thought that was insane at the time, and I was right. Brady threw a low-percentage heave to Jabar Gaffney that really had no chance. It would have been a 49 yard FG attempt in a dome for Gostkowski, who in all likelihood would have made the kick. Bear in mind that they lost by 3 points. After the Giants went up 10-7, the Pats threw it every single play on a stalled drive early in the fourth rather than mix it up. And then they blitzed on the game winning TD to Plaxico, shortly after Asante Samuel dropped what absolutely should have been the game-ending interception.
At any rate, the 2006 Pats were probably the most dominant team in NFL history, and just had a bad day. Their not winning the SB had nothing to do with the fact that Randy Moss was the top receiver on the team.
Watch the games. I just rewatched them at 1.5x speed and the difference between offensive philosophy was night and day. You're right, Brady had a terrible day in SB XLII. He was really the reason they lost. Multiple errant throws in critical positions that would have seen them score several more times.
However, it was the scheme that allowed a bad day from Brady to lose them the SB. In XLIX and every SB Brady played with NE after that, his default look wasn't waiting 3/4/5 seconds to push the ball 7/15/25 yards down the field. It was bubble screens and drags to Edelman and Vereen that came out of his hands before the defensive line even made is back to the LoS. They kept the offense moving in every direction and neutralized one the the greatest defenses int he history of football. Witht hat scheme, Brady didn't have to be anywhere near as perfect and he was able to get into a rhythm.
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Thurman is a Hall of Fame back and clearly elite, but when you go down the list of all time greats he wasn't as special as a lot of them. Barry and Emmit belong well above him. So do Dickerson, Faulk, LaDanian Tomlinson and Adrian Peterson. I think of Thurman more in the Frank Gore camp, but even Frank Gore's production was something Thurman didn't get close to.
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48 minutes ago, RoscoeParrish said:
The Pats made plenty of attempts to draft or acquire boundary WRs at cheap prices, just like Moss (who they got for a song if I remember correctly)
They brought in Chad Johnson in 2011.
They signed Reggie Wayne in 2015.
They drafted lots. Kenbrell Thompkins. Malcolm Mitchell. Aaron Dobson.
The real difference was that all those guys stunk in those spots (Reggie retired) and their slot guys performed at a high level.
Like I said earlier, I think you are mixing up cause and effect. Do these teams, the Pats post-Moss, the Chiefs post-Tyreek and the Bills post-Diggs build their teams around their slots or TEs because their slots/TEs are just that good, or because their boundary options stink, relatively speaking? Or at the very least, a combination of both?
Furthermore, Chris Hogan was a boundary WR in NE. Just because he was white didn’t make him a slot guy. And he set a WR record in the playoffs for the Pats if I recall.
I watched as many of the games as I could.
Why do you keep trying to make this whole boundary vs slot receiver argument? What are you even talking about? It has absolutely nothing to do with what I'm talking about. I give up dude. You're right about whatever point it is you're trying to make.
38 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:The highest scoring offense in NFL History and an 18-0 season?
If Brady had a bit more arm, Moss was off to the races on the final drive for the game winning TD.
That was the story all game. They were off by a foot here or there over and over again all game. He didn't even hit the timing routes because that wasn't their bread and butter in that scheme. Fast forward to 2014 and everything was timing. The ball was out of Brady's hands before the D line even made it to the LoS.
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14 minutes ago, RoscoeParrish said:
Desperate?
You said they learned a lesson with Moss. I don’t think that’s correct.
You said they become unstoppable after switching to a slot offense. That’s wrong too. They went to another Super Bowl and lost with an elite slot offense in 2011. They also didn’t make another SB after that until 2014.
Yes, there are obvious benefits and drawbacks to being a deep ball high flying offense vs a ball control, chain moving offense. All that being said, the 2007 Patriots were still an all time great team with an all time great offense because, in large part, of Randy Moss.
I stand by what I said and I didn’t make anything up. I’d like you to point out examples of things you think I did make up because that’s a pretty unproductive accusation in a discussion.
What is a "slot offense"?
My argument was quite simple and direct. For the New England Patriots, Julian Edelman was a more valuable player than Randy Moss despite Moss being the far more traditionally talented and gifted receiver. They realized that controlling the ball through a horizontal game, like they did in the early years with Branch, Givens, Patten was a more reliable way to win than by having a downfield attack. After they dumped Moss, they made no attempts to replace him. Instead they targeted guys like Danny Amendola and Chris Hogan, and they stacked trophies.
Just watch the games, man. It's all on the tape.-
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Just now, RoscoeParrish said:
Randy departed from the Pats after 2009. They didn’t win a Super Bowl until half a decade later. They became unstoppable after losing Moss?
They lost the Super Bowl in 2011 against the same team with elite slot guy Wes Welker putting up elite slot numbers and a completely different offense.
I think you tried too hard to prove something with the “they learned their lesson with Randy Moss” take.Again, you're just making things up now trying desperately to be correct about something. What I wrote wasn't that verbose. Just use the real things I said to try to argue instead of making things up.
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14 minutes ago, RoscoeParrish said:
You said they learned their lesson because Randy doesn’t have a ring and Edelman has 3.
As if the 2007 Patriots wasn’t an all time offense and an all-time team, and the 2018 Patriots wasn’t one of the worst Super Bowl winners ever.
So I asked the obvious question. Yes, situation matters. No, the Patriots didn’t lose the 2007 Super Bowl after going undefeated because their wide receivers were just too good. There was no lesson to learn.
The obvious question that had an obvious answer is just you creating a strawman. Now you're acting like you defeated something.
The Patriots did in fact learn something, because after they moved on from Moss, their offensive philosophy changed dramatically, and they became unstoppable.
Watch the games. Brady keeps looking for that deep home run ball throughout the Giants game and they never get into a rhythm. Against the Seahawks, it's almost all horizontal attacks, the 2-3 yard passes that turn into chain movers. They were far more efficient play to play even against a much more vaunted defense. NE made the game boring, just like they did in Brady's early years and they piled up rings with that strategy. KC has been using that same approach to fill their hardware cabinet.
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1 minute ago, RoscoeParrish said:
Do you think they lost the Super Bowl after going 18-0 because of Randy Moss?
Of course not. What's your real question?
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1 hour ago, RoscoeParrish said:
The problem with this line of thinking is cause and effect.
The Pats ran their slot offense when their best weapon was a slot. They also ran a bombs away offense when they had Randy Moss.
I love Shakir, but if we had JJ or Chase instead, I don’t think we are using him the same way exclusively.
One could argue they learned their lesson from the Randy Moss experiment. Edelman has 3 rings, Moss has zero. The Pats were at their best when they ran boring efficient offenses with dependable player. The Chiefs philosophy has been the same after Mahomes first couple years.
1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:Help me understand this because this kind of thing confuses me. Are you saying that, “if they had a guy, that we all agree is better, he would be less impactful than Shakir?” If the Bills traded Shakir, straight up for Metcalf, they’d be worse off? Wouldn’t that mean that Shakir belongs ahead of him then? We aren’t factoring in “situation.” It is meant to be, “where would he be drafted if every WR in football were available to be picked?”
Yes. Is it not obvious that they serve completely different roles? See my note above above Edelman vs Moss. As for how you're ranking it, you may not be factoring in situation, but I am. Situation is EVERYTHING in sports.
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He's the best in the league at the thing that he does, and that's what matters. Put him on Philly and he probably doesn't see the field. In Buffalo he's our Julian Edelman, and that makes him the most important weapon on the team, even if we had a guy like Metcalf who's clearly a tier or two ahead from a pure WR standpoint.
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18 minutes ago, transient said:
Do you think they would have been doing that if they thought they could get more pass rush production from AJ?
Yes, because they had a bizarre fixation on trying to make the Miller situation work despite it being clear it wasn't. McDermott also maintains an unbreakable stance that he MUST constantly rotate his defensive line regardless of game situation and if the talent dropoff is massive, like it has been for years.
I don't know if you remember, but more thana few people were upset about AJ being spelled for Miller in critical situations, and Miller predictably went on to lumber 10 yards out of the play. -
4 hours ago, transient said:
I'm not a Von apologist, I agree he's washed, but in a third of the snaps he had the same number of sacks and a butt load more QB pressures. It's more of an indictment of Epenesa.
The difference is Von was getting snaps in prime opportunities at the expense of Epenesa. AJ was playing on obvious rushing downs where Von wasn't.
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1 minute ago, BillMafia716ix said:
Yeah I think you missed the part where I said he was playing limited snaps. Of course his stats are going to be better.He was playing so few snaps because he's beyond washed.
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24? Is he switching to safety?
1 minute ago, BillMafia716ix said:Man Von was worth every penny before the ACL injury. I think he played well last season despite playing limited snaps. He was better than Epenesa IMO
Which one of these do you think was Epenesa?
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4 hours ago, boater said:
His salary is fixed by the rookie pay scale in the collective bargaining agreement, so it's not that.
My understanding though, how much of that money is guaranteed money is negotiable. Maybe that is the sticking point. Or maybe he objects to some clause in the minutiae. My bet is on the guaranteed money.
That's not it. It has NOTHING to do with him and everything to do with the Bengals. The Bengals are forcing him to sign a pre-nup that stipulates they can void his contract for a myriad of reasons, and non specific reasons deemed as being "in default" of his contract that no other rookie is subject to.
The Bengals are 100% to blame here.
https://www.foxsports.com/stories/nfl/bengals-shemar-stewart-contract-dispute-2025-draft59 minutes ago, Paup 1995MVP said:Screw the players? Have you seen some of the contracts the owners are handing out to guys who are big time? And some not so much big time?
You understand they're contractually obligated to do this via the CBA right?
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10 hours ago, The Red King said:
That doesn't sound right.
Go into the draft a year early, don't like who takes you so you say, nah, dude, and try again next year?It doesn't sound right because that's not at all what's happening.
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7 minutes ago, Logic said:
I get your point, and I've thought about that.
But it's important to note that that was also a pretty unstoppable version of the Bills offense. The way Josh was playing that year...I'm not so sure the results against the Bengals would've been the same as they were the year after.That Bills defense was an absolute sieve though.
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Is the game in September or January?
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14 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said:
Im and Okie and superbowls are played in warm weather and domes. This tough guy, cold weather BS is just that,BS.
Well, clearly not because they're building a brand new stadium for billions of dollars and they explicitly chose NOT to have a dome. It's been done and dusted for years. Silly to keep whining about it at this point.
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44 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:
I still don't get no dome. Im sorry it's just dumb and possibly cheapness as well.
I'm continually glad this type of florida-man thinking lost out.
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4 hours ago, Matt_In_NH said:
When it opens people are gonna talk/complain about how steep it is......most people dont go to other stadiums and all the new ones are steep like this. You can see it in some of the mages/movies. A few people will need one less beer, LOL
It's very steep. Reminds me of The Aud.
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14 hours ago, Special K said:
I was just projecting that AJ's snap count may be lower this year if Jackson is as good as we all think he will be......he may even lose snaps to Hoecht when he comes back from suspension.
I have Solomon's total low as well because he may be a healthy scratch most weeks unless there is an injury.
I don't even think Solomon is on the Team after week 6. It wouldn't shock me if he doesn't even make it out of camp. He belongs on the PS.
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Beane is good at drafting after all -- A look at 2022
in The Stadium Wall
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This is a total myth.
People act like like it's no big deal to "just score an extra 3 points" or similar. We're already a highly efficient team. squeezing an extra 10% out of a team that's already operating optimally is not a small task and you need massive improvements to make it happen. If you watched what the Eagles did to the Chiefs in the Super Bowl and thought to yourself, "we're in the same league as the Eagles", well the only thing I can say to you is that you aren't a serious person.