[Bills sign Mack Hollins]

he has talent, but not enough talent to play on a  team that's supposed to be a contender. This is starting to feel like a full rebuild year.

[What if Allen and Mahomes swapped exact situations?]

1 hour ago, Draconator said:

Go to the Chiefs board then. 

Why, because I acknowledge that a clearly better player and a clearly better team are better? Why can't we just get better?

Maybe if Josh spent more time int he film room or working on his deep ball instead of his putting, he'd be able to close the gap. Maybe if McD practiced more situational awareness and tried to dissect Andy Reid's formula, he'd be able to close the gap. Maybe if Beane drafted players that better fit the system we need that had more high level potential, we'd be able to close the gap.

[What if Allen and Mahomes swapped exact situations?]

Mahomes is in a different tier than Allen. He's just so much more collected, has way better judgement and is one of the most clutch athletes I've ever seen. Physically they're about equal with a slight edge to Josh, but mentally Mahomes has a significant edge.

With that in mind, the Bills FO is such a mess that they'd hold Mahomes back, but I believe that Mahomes with the Bills likely beats Allen in the 13 seconds game and he definitely beats him this year. Maybe that doesn't materialize into championships. I think Allen probably gets one SB at least with Reid and definitely has an MVP.

[Britt Reid Prison Term Already Commuted]

32 minutes ago, Southern Bills Fan said:

I read the story and the little girl's family is really upset. They were never contacted or anything concerning his commutation. Andy Reid may be a great coach but I have to really question his parenting skills. 

He's not really a parent. He fathered a child, and then worked 80 hours a week from dawn to dusk. People that work like that shouldn't have kids to begin with. Most people shouldn't have kids for that matter. We all act like it's a thing everyone should do - kind of like driving a car. The truth is that most people are terrible at it - and they should be because there's literally no training that any of us receive for raising a human being and given that most of us have a litany of problems due to being raised with those same limitations, it makes us especially unqualified to perpetuate it.

It's like if the only career training you ever got was from the guy that started the day before and now on day two you're the trainer. It's madness.

[Legal Tampering News (lets try to keep it all in one thread) - Begins today at 3/11 Noon]

2 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

They had a franchise QB paid at top dollar for over a decade. They invested in OL. Took a RB in first round. They have had multiple productive WRs. They never found a good TE though.

Like moat teams, they just screwed up the QB position after their star retired.  They are going for the quick fix with Wilson, much like Buffalo did with Bledsoe.

It's worked in recent history - Manning, Stafford, Brady, and a few years back maybe even Warner, Gannon, Johnson count as success stories.

[Legal Tampering News (lets try to keep it all in one thread) - Begins today at 3/11 Noon]

16 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

That is exactly what I think is going to happen.  I think, and again I say THINK, we have done all we are going to do until the draft.  Post June 1st he will look at the roster then see about adding on.

 

Guys this is an almost rebuild year. We went all in and failed and as Beane said "the Bill comes due" and it did this year. This is why all offseason last year some of us said make the cuts then, don't "run it back". No Hyde, or poyer, and make some needed cuts and rely on the draft so that THIS offseason we would have taken the hit and could invest.  

Have you actually seen teams go "all in"? The 49ers went all-in, the Rams went all-in, the Eagles went all-in.

We did the opposite. This team has been running back the same team for years.

[Epenesa re-signing, 2-year deal]

Best news of the offseason. I thought he was going to get $12-$14M a year the way he flashed last season and we'd see him walk. The upside is definitely there for him to step into a fulltime starter role. Double digit sacks are definitely a possibility with the way he's been improving.

[DaQuan Re-Signed - 2 yrs 16M]

42 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

Hmm. Guess it was a bad year to need DL help. We are bringing back the same underperforming group and hoping for the best.

 

I'm a little perplexed about Beane's strategy these past couple weeks. Cut underperforming overpaid players, then turn around and re-sign a bunch of guys in the same bucket.

 

I'm sure the real numbers aren't so bad. Hopefully he's healthy and gives us the level of play we got before his injury. I'm not upset about this individual signing. Just confused about what the plan is.

They resigned a couple of the top players on our line. Epenesa was a force this past year that should have gotten all of Miller's snaps. I thought for sure he would've been out of our price range.

[Legal Tampering News (lets try to keep it all in one thread) - Begins today at 3/11 Noon]

1 minute ago, Malazan said:

Yea, that's what happens when players get old. They get hurt more easily and take longer to recover. Glad you figured that one out finally.

Or they just get hurt because they get hit hard, which is what happened. Football is a rough game. Hopefully you'll figure that one out someday.

[Legal Tampering News (lets try to keep it all in one thread) - Begins today at 3/11 Noon]

45 minutes ago, appoo said:

That's not how that works

 

Totally could have done that. Wonder if Beane sent in an offer

I'm shocked he got so little.

4 minutes ago, Malazan said:

 

Yes, Hill struggled in a few games in the back half of the season and there were games where he wasn't really a factor at all. He'll still likely be great, but towards the end of the year.. he will be banged up and less effective. Sound familiar?

He was playing hurt. He's one of the top 2 WRs in football.

[Khalil Mack & Joey Bosa Available for Trade / Could Be Released]

Bosa has always been a bigger name than he's been an impact. He's only played a complete season in 3 of his 8 seasons and has missed half the season or more 3 times. He only has 4 seasons of double digit sacks and has never exceeded 12.5 -  his sophomore season. I'm good.

[Could the Bills be looking at Denver?]

Jeudy isn't worth the money he's making now and he's gonna want a raise. No thanks. I'd rather draft someone with superstar potential that is cost controlled.

[Robust pool of available safeties = Excellent year to be replacing Hyde and Poyer]

I'd love Geno Stone, but not sure he fits McD's ideal guy. I expect we'll get some bottom tier vets and some draft picks. I don't expect a flashy move here. This is a rebuild year, imo.

[Morse Released]

I like the move, but trading bates for a vending machine sandwich seems like a bad move with this on the horizon. Would've made more sense to have a guy that can play every spot on the oline and compete for starting G in my opinion. Opens yet another OL hole.

[Poyer released]

Best wishes Poyer. Probably the best safety the Bills had in my lifetime.

This is why I never fault players for getting the absolute maximum they can from a team, including holding out. tHeY'rE uNdEr cOnTrAcT is only ever a 1 way line of thinking.

[NFL Mock has Bills take edge at 28]

Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest. McBeane highly value big men. I could see, DE, S/WR,S/WR, CB/LB in the first 4 picks.

[NIL deals keeping more players in college now and diluting the draft talent pool?]

6 minutes ago, Ya Digg? said:

Outside of someone like Tim Tebow or Johnny Manziel, what other players would make significantly more money by staying in college with a NIL as opposed to going pro?

It's not an either/or situation. They're going to get both, just delayed by a year. It's far easier to be elite in college than it is in the pros.

[NIL deals keeping more players in college now and diluting the draft talent pool?]

On 2/28/2024 at 4:47 PM, Ya Digg? said:

Any kid who stays for NIL money who is going to be a top pick is thinking very short sided in my opinion. The sooner you get to your 2nd contract in the NFL the better. Most guys in college won’t make anything near what they will make in the NFL on their first contract. You are also running the risk of getting hurt and hurting your draft stock, which will also end up costing you millions. That’s why the whole Caleb Williams might stay (and every guy before and after him who is projected to go #1) is so utterly laughable-it will never happen

A small fraction of the kids who get drafted will be making a second NFL contract. An even smaller amount will turn that second contract into a payday. Most of them will get 1 or 2 year deals. It's only short-sighted if you know for a fact that they'll be a star and not get injured or be a bust, which is impossible to tell.

[When healthy: we were the best team in the league.]

2 hours ago, Success said:

 

A "chasm?"

 

You're obviously entitled to your opinion, but I'd characterize it as overly negative.

 

If we made it to the SB, which we could have if Chris Jones got to Allen a half second later, chances are we would have had Bernard, Spector & Benford back, as well as a healthier Douglas. I'm probably missing someone, too.

 

It would have been a great game against the Niners, that I'd give us a 50% chance of winning (at minimum).  I mean, we beat the champs in the regular, and the divisional loss was a very winnable game.  I can't really comprehend the idea that there is some sort of "chasm" between us & the contenders.

 

EDIT:  I did miss some guys - we would have likely had Rapp & Davis back for the SB also.

 

 

 

None of those players, outside of maybe Douglas is the kind of difference maker we'd need to win a Super Bowl. That's the problem. When I say there's a chasm of difference it's because Bernard isn't Warner, Spector isn't Greenlaw, Davis isn't Aiyuk or Samuel, Rapp isn't anywhere near as good as their top 2 safeties.

It's not that the elite teams have one elite guy we can just go out and get, it's that most of their players are better than ours which makes it really tough to overcome.

Every time you play Kansas City, you do so knowing you're playing the best QB and Tight End in the sport and there's nothing you can do about that. You can't get better than them from a talent perspective. They also happen to have a top 3 coach of all time that as an offensive playcaller can dismantle the best defenses in the game. So what do you do?

[When healthy: we were the best team in the league.]

1 minute ago, Success said:

 

I might need some logic behind this one.

 

When did we get blown out this past season? When was a Bills game not close?  Didn't KC beat the Niners, and the Ravens - who KC beat more handily than they beat the Bills?

 

So, that one game would have been the outlier where a team just handled us easily?

 

Happy to help.

It's pretty simple: The Ravens, Chiefs and 49ers all boasted elite defenses in every phase. When the Bills faced top defenses this year, they often struggled (Jets, Chiefs, Patriots, ), they also had success against top defenses in the Steelers, Raiders, Cowboys, but only the Cowboys were though to be in the upper end of defenses. The Ravens, 49ers and Chiefs (who eliminated us) were all cream of the crop.

I'm not saying the Bills would lose by 20, but I could absolutely see a loss by 10+ to the 49ers, or even the ravens, in a game where the Bills were never really in a position to win. I know it feels good to think "oh we were a play away from beating KC" or whatever, but that's why they're stacking Lombardi's, while Josh is working on his short game. Despite the small difference in scores, there's a chasm of difference between the top teams in the league and where the Bills are now.

I think if you run a simulation from the division round forward 100 times, I'd be shocked if the Bills win out more than 5-6 times. They just aren't built to go deep and they never have been. We'll be running it back once again this year and you guys will get all excited when they win 11-12 games, and you'll be so disappointed and shocked when we get dropped out early in the playoffs. I won't be. I've seen how champions have been built the last 20 and especially the last 10 years.

You go all-in or you go home.

[When healthy: we were the best team in the league.]

2 hours ago, SinceThe70s said:

 

ANNIHILATED!!!

 

How bad would the loss have been?  More than 6 points?  

For sure. I would think at least 10. Josh would have been under constant duress from their pass, rush, their DBs would have locked down our WRs and Warner would have blown up our run game. We wouldn't have been able to out-scheme them like KC did.

[When healthy: we were the best team in the league.]

Not even remotely close. That San Francisco defense would have annihilated us. McCaffery would've run for 200.

[Is Terry McLaurin a possible target?]

29 is the tail end of a prime. If we want to win, we need 24 year old players on rookie deals outpacing guys like McLaurin. Then you add a couple guys like Terry on vet minimum deals chasing rings to be your 4th WR, not your #1.

[Is it time to grow concerned about Greg Rousseau?]

Nothing to be concerned about. He's a good not, great player. He's arguably "too good", in that he'll be too expensive to keep. These guys should be recycled every 5 years via the draft. It's why it's so important to be good at drafting if you want to stay competitive.

Pick up his 5th year option, draft a replacement next year and dump him for anything more than $14M a year

[What is your level of patience on not advancing to the Super Bowl?]

55 minutes ago, SinceThe70s said:

 

Or maybe this?

 

 

To be clear I am not fully in Sean's corner - I think it's a great point of debate on both sides of the coin.

 

But the insistence on one side that Sean is destined to be Marty II with no acknowledgement that any other outcome is possible is an exceedingly weak argument imo. History suggests to me that either outcome is possible.

Cowher won a a conference championship his 4th season with Neil O'Donnell. Stop it. He kept them in the playoffs and dragged Kordell Stewart to two more AFC Championship games before he finally got Roethlisberger and went to a 4th his rookie year.

Honestly, comparing Sean to Marty is a poor example. Marty was actually a very good coach that elevated every team he was a part of. He just had a ceiling. Sean doesn't have that kind of pedigree. What we do know is that he's an underachiever who game in and game out, year in and year out makes the same mistakes. He can elevate bottom of the roster type players, especially on defense, but he's incapable of being a force multiplier to our strengths, which is what we need in critical matchups. .  Instead our biggest players often disappear when we need them most. You can also always count on him for multiple boneheaded clock management and playcall blunders in the most crucial spots of games He might be the 2nd coming of Mike Smith.