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10 minutes ago, SDS said:
Sorry this is took so long. I don't like replying to long posts on my phone and I hadn't had ample time at my desktop. Plus, I'm getting a little burned out on the subject. However, I promised a response.
The biggest thing I can tell is that you is that despite these supposed wrongs, I have never heard from DR regarding this. Not once. Not after his initial suspension. Not after he came back (except for him accusing another member of supporting child abuse), and not after this time. Not a single "hey, you deserve an explanation". I'm thinking if someone can decode the clues on the Declaration of Independence, he can use the contact form listed right on the front page:
https://www.twobillsdrive.com/contact-us/
People use it all the time. He has had the ability to respond to me since July 10th. Again, the link is above.
I am well aware that I am sitting here amidst a slew of members who peddle conspiracy theories day after day. Thus these baseless charges of being "out to get to people" comes as no surprise. There are 800k posts in here. DR with 55k posts in under 7 years. A 3 year old Qanon topic untouched. There is an existence theorem here. The mere presence of everything you see here is in direct contradiction to your assertions.
If there is an aggravation in all of this, it is that despite YEARS of pressure to do away with PPP (because why do we have this divisive entity in a Buffalo Bills Community when the internet has evolved such that better outlets exist for political discussion), I am the one who has ultimately resisted those calls (including resisting my own doubts). Again, the sheer existence of this place contradicts any accusations that I am suppressing ideas and thought that are different than mine. I literally keep this place open BECAUSE of the people here, while I am being accused of being against the people here. I mean, seriously?
(With that said, global corporations such as Facebook and Twitter are shutting down Qanon stuff. This hasn't gone unnoticed and I battle with my conscience all the time to do the right thing.)
I have banned people and usernames based upon what I have seen. I explained what I acted on above. In case you haven't noticed, there has been shockingly thin support regarding what DR actually posted and to who, including hearing nothing from him. Additionally, I made a post about the display names that have been banned and gave the same timeout to the perpetrator that I gave DR. I'm not sure what else you need.
I am looking for a way forward that makes sense for everyone. Regardless, I hope people see value and have fun and are entertained by coming ere and taking about the Bills and the NFL. I don't care who you are or what lever you pull, everyone is welcomed to join the community and enjoy what appears to be the start of a something great. We are always here. We have been here since 1996 and this community has been here since 1998.
P.S. I am not a legal entity. The distinction between "you are a child abuser" and "you support child abuse and their abusers" doesn't matter to me in message board world. Neither are appropriate and neither should ever be an issue in a Buffalo Bills community.
Thanks for listening.
thanks for the reply, @SDS, much appreciated. i understand the delay, life often intrudes, i was however, beginning to wonder...
you have always struck me as a pretty fair minded guy and the fact that this website is where it is at after a quarter of a century speaks to this fact. i understand the difficulties one faces (though certainly not to the degree you do), in trying to not only do what one thinks is the right thing but to please all the many different personalities that congregate under your roof. to be sure, never an easy chore and more times than not, can be heart wrenching.
i mean that sincerely.
having said that, we are going to have to agree to disagree on the actions taken here with regard. first of all, there is no clear line drawn in the sand. what is not acceptable and the degrees of punishment to be meted out are ambiguous at best. to better explain my perspective here, i will use myself as an example. there have been a couple instances where i posted in the 'Off The Wall' sub that were deleted. @Simon sent a PM to let me know, and i am paraphrasing here, that political comments were not allowed and to keep that type of stuff to PPP. it was a verbal warning with no points involved. i had absolutely no problem with that, and said as much in my response to Simon. i expressed that i was sorry and that i had no desire to make his/the moderators job any more difficult than it was. this happened at least twice that my memory serves up ( i can look through PM's to be exact if need be). same warning, same response from me both times. i did so even though i really didn't see where the comments were political but in this world of political correctness, one never really knows what can or could be construed as being political in nature. it was no sweat off my shoulders, after all, it is not my house and i am here at your mercy.
when i caught a suspension from you, there was no warning, whatsoever. again, it was in a political thread, on TSW of which contained, imo much worse comments. again, no biggie, i said i probably deserved it. this event happened after @Hapless Bills Fan stated to me, on OTW that due to the nature of current world events that you had instructed there to be a little leeway on the main boards, in response to my comment asking if TSW had become PPP Lite. however, the personal nature of the reason for the suspension was not taken very well by me. i saw/see absolutely no reason for that. things of that nature should be kept strictly on a business level. so yeah, it pissed me off. along with this came a never expiring warning point. prior to this, i had one warning point from hapless when she first came on as a mod. there is a bit to that story but suffice it to say, i was chastised and had my post edited for posting small font at the bottom of my post. a brief heated discussion followed and when i asked if it was okay to post a larger font, in a larger font, i then received a warning point. i don't think i ever apologized for that exchange due mainly to the fact that i thought it was petty but did let it go. i still use the small font in my posts from time to time and there has been no additional warnings of any sort since then so i chalk it up to perhaps hapless was trying to stake her ground and that because there have been no additional warnings of any sort, maybe somebody said something to her. however, this is all tea leave reading and i have no idea as to what actually happened other than my impression. so, in three years here, 1 prior warning, prior to catching a suspension. again no biggie on the act of the discipline itself but the parameters on behavioral conduct is very ambiguous, at best and is cause for concern, imo.
from my understanding of both the suspension and banishment of DR, there were no warnings involved and nothing was stated that a certain behaviour is expected. again, and i may be wrong but, my understanding is that he was suspended for 'starting a callout thread'. his subsequent banishment stemmed from him calling out a peep within a thread. and while the distinction may be minor, there is a distinction and certainly room for ambiguity exists. another area of concern here is the fact that this was done with no real understanding of the dynamics in play. i will not get into all the little intricacies of those dynamics in play, a good many of them are included within the three threads that are dealing with this issue. suffice it to say that while i believe DR could have handled it differently, there were good faith attempts to reason with these people on his behalf before that good faith was kicked to the curb by the other party. when one isn't around and comes in with the soda straw perspective of, not being around, the potential for misjustice is very high.
one final comment...
your initial reply to my post was that most of it was wrong. within your reply above, i fail to see where this is the case. it is more of an explanation of the whys and wherefores for actions taken. you can say my opinion is wrong just as i can disagree with your opinion. it's all good.
if anything, it is my hope that this is taken with the constructive criticism that it is intended to impart. i believe to to be influenced my the sum of the parts, this should be one part to help going forward.
also, I have asked hapless and @Chandler#81 to close the WTF thread and there has been no action on that front, if you would be so kind, could you please close it for me, i would be grateful. thank you.
thanks for reading.
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12 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:
I was referring to those that said they were leaving👍
PSSSSTAS THE OP
you can edit the op, go into the moderator options and delete the thread.
Your welcome.
had i wanted the thread deleted, i would have done so. far be it from me to remove the labor of everyone's efforts within this thread, even those i don't agree with.
since @Hapless Bills Fan won't close this thread, @Chandler#81will you please close this thread, thank you.
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please close this thread, thank you.
too much character assassination without the character being able to defend himself.
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11 hours ago, SDS said:
I realized in my long rambling post that I did make it easy for people like I requested others make it easy for me/us. So, let me expand upon the recent events, that came after the "post in this topic to ***** on X", a 30 day suspension, multiple attempts to bypass it, and an ensuing PM pissing match upon return. This is what I was told to look at:
(My interpretation is that The Frankish Reich is being accused of making a duplicate topic. The response below.)
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You know how you can tell an asshat from a good poster? "
https://www.twobillsdrive.com/community/topic/227311-will-trump-be-healthy-enough-to-run-and-serve/?do=findComment&comment=6758287
Thumbs up: Buffalo Gal, carpet crawler, dub, Dragoon"
Liars gonna lie." Posted ####### meme
Link deleted"
It's a special: "LOOK AT ME! I NEED ATTENTION" post by the board's newest chief Asshat.
It's fun to watch such a dumb man go through such lengths to prove how incalculably dumb he truly is."
Thumbs up: dubs, Laughed: cinga
"You could have put this in any number of threads. It would be just as forgettable and stupid in those threads as it would be on its own. But, the asshat would rather ***** up the board like a pelican because he's in desperate need for attention. It's funny to witness a grown man continually make an ass out of himself in public.
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You're so full of shite you can't even keep up with your own bullshite positions. Carry on being a dishonest asshat.
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https://www.twobillsdrive.com/community/topic/227311-will-trump-be-healthy-enough-to-run-and-serve/?do=findComment&comment=6758354"
That's unfair to ask. He's not even smart enough to realize the sky is blue. "
Upon further investigation, I read this (In response to TFR's request to stop the name calling):
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Nope. Don't think I will. I gave you weeks of civility, you wanted none of it. Now you just get the horns. Your choice, Frank. "
I have looked over pages and pages and pages of posts by TFR and other than pushing back on positions, conspiracy theories and sometimes the general bent of PPP, I see absolutely nothing outside the normal back and forth of political talk that justified any of this on the heels on that suspension.
TFR's posting history (I apologize for pulling you into this):
Maybe I missed something. 🤷♂️
I also want to make it clear that TFR did not report anything. Another member did. So I ask:
1. What do I tell the member who reported the above and expresses to us that another member is facing unwarranted, repetitive abuse?
2. What am I supposed to do after reading the above after just going through this scenario with the reported member?
3. As this country becomes more polarized and as our discourse increasingly gets more extreme, why would I want this Buffalo Bills Community associated with the above (among other things)? A lot of people post anonymously here. I, however, am not (or at least it is the worst secret ever).
I want to note that, unless I missed it, friends of DR didn't exactly call for him to relax. Posters have responded that people here handle it themselves. So far I have failed to see where TFR needed to be handled like this. I do see DR needing to take a step back (IMO), but no advice was offered (unless it was done privately and he ignored it).
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Oh, and one last thing… The PM ***** storm that I got pulled into had to do with DR continually accusing another member of child abuse, which DR continued to assert in PM.
Just additional information from my point of view.
i did not want to jump into this discussion. however, i can not sleep due to the bad taste that this whole situation has left in my mouth.
this your sandbox and we are all here by your good graces. your house, your rules. it is a beautiful site you have created, well rounded and vibrant.
with that said, as you said, this is your point of view. from where i sit, it is not very professional, nor right to come out with 'your view' as to the course of events while having the, 'alleged' offending party unable to defend themselves because they were banned by, you. this is tantamount to 'pushing a narrative' with no real discussion allowed except for those thoughts of outside parties.
from life experiences, i know that more often than not, there is one side and the other side and more often than not, the actual truth of a situation lies somewhere in between. however, we shall never get to hear directly from both sides.
case in point:
1 hour ago, SDS said:
As for this part, I do my best to be correct in these situations and for this I owe DR somewhat of an apology. I reread the messages yet again and he did not accuse another member of actually being a pedophile himself, but (paraphrasing) that the member supports those causes and that’s what the member stands for.
The technical misrepresentation is completely my fault and I own that. However, the distinction between the two is rather small and the sentiment is essentially the same.
Thank you for pointing it out.
again, from my perspective, this does seem to be somewhat of a large distinction. from a legal perspective, sympathizing with and being are two major differences. a difference that will land one years in a penitentiary.
***** it, i don't care at this point, while i'm here... just an observation or two on recent events of the past few months.
@Deranged Rhino was banned, then i was banned, then @Hedge was banned, then @B-Man was banned, all within the span of roughly three weeks. DR was banned for a call out thread, of which he privately acknowledged being wrong for doing. Hedge was banned for posting the longest joke in the world, when it had become standard fare down here to disrupt what many are of the opinion of being stupid threads mainly by posting recipes and then discussing food. B-Man caught a suspension for merely quoting the longest joke in the world. myself, i managed to catch a suspension for posting on the main board, in a political thread. as i admitted to others, i probably deserved the suspension, though imo, there were much worse comments in that, political thread on TSW. what i thought was kind of bush league, again was not the actual act of being suspended, i'm a big boy i can handle *****, but rather the desire you had to make it personal. when things stray from being professional then it becomes a problem in my book.
with regard to DR's, Hedge's and B-man's suspensions, there is no uniformity in the discipline. we are told PPP is a mod free zone, you guys take care of it yourselves. so we do and then all of a sudden there is moderation and discipline. the sum of the parts just doesn't add up to be quite frank.
from my point of view, it stinks of persecution. anyone who ventures into the shoutbox can see your political stance on display. if you don't want your website to be affiliated with those who do not buy the national syndicated narrative, just say so. who did you ban from the liberal side of the political spectrum? the only one i am aware of is Gary and that only happened because i pointed out precedent in a thread.
it is my understanding that PPP was created to give an outlet for and to keep politics out of the mainboards. politics is not for the weak of heart, nor mind. just look to our political elite, they can't be civil with one another yet we are expected to be? we are merely a reflection of the country. until it gets better, we won't get better.
again, outside of the grievances listed above, while it may not seem like it with this post, i have nothing but the utmost respect for you.
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3 minutes ago, Greybeard said:
I am happy that is a cow and not a pig. I don't think I could handle the changes if it was a pig.
you probably won't want to read the following then...
US faces ticking ‘feral swine bomb’ as millions of wild pigs run rampant across country
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5 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:
WTF are you man? Where are these people coming from?
the inmates are now officially running the asylum.
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9 minutes ago, Tiberius said:
You ok?
i am. disappointed but okay. thank you for asking.
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just, WTF man??
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6 hours ago, HappyDays said:
Choose your sources wisely:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_American_Physicians_and_Surgeons
There's even more information in that Wikipedia article. It's a political group, not a medical group.
Notably that link only lists one study that has anything to do with mask effectiveness with regards to covid-19. Most of its linked studies are talking about the flu or the cold or other respiratory illnesses. You should ask yourself why a purported medical group is using baldfaced disinformation strategies like that.
Let's take a look at the one study they do link. It was a study of exactly 4 patients in South Korea:
https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-1342
So it turns out the study wasn't testing if masks prevent the spread of covid-19. It was testing how many air droplet particles end up on the outside of the mask if a person coughs while wearing one. Here's the study's own conclusion:
But wait, there's more!
https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/L20-0745
This is a really good example of why you need to be careful with scientific sourcing. Here we have a conservative political group pushing studies that either have nothing to do with the subject in question or have been retracted. There are despicable people out whose entire career is spent trying to trick uninformed people into believing junk science. Don't let them con you.
Here's an actual scientific meta-analysis that combined the results of many separate tests to show masks ARE effective in reducing the spread of covid-19.
https://hartfordhealthcare.org/about-us/news-press/news-detail?articleid=27691&publicId=395
Here's another one:
https://www.thelancet.com/article/S0140-6736(20)31142-9/fulltext
And another one:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1477893920302301?via%3Dihub#bib6
Note that the above study makes a clear distinction between influenza, SARS, and covid-19, and specifically shows that masks are especially effective with controlling the spread of covid-19. Why do you think the link you posted threw a bunch of different illnesses into a blender? Could it be they have an agenda?
The science is proven on this - large scale usage of masks substantially reduces the risk of spreading covid-19. It isn't a perfect method and certain types of masks have better results, but across the board it has been shown to be an effective method. You should be skeptical of any source trying to convince you otherwise, not just on this matter but on anything else they are telling you.
hey Happy Days. hope you and yours are well with this madness that has descended upon humanity.
thank you for the fact check, appreciated as i had not done that. my apologies for not doing so, however in my defense (not that that is an acceptable defense though), time is in short supply these days. am hoping that i will be as prepped as i can be shortly here, just prior to the election and have more time available after that.
having read through the thread to catch up, i would counter... as @3rdnlng pointed out, Wiki is not the best source for debunking for starters. though your other sources are duly noted.
and as @Buffalo_Gal has posted, there are a number of articles related to studies out that claim masks are not the preventative that the MSM narrative would have you believe. this belief comes from reading/researching over these past 6 months in my limited available time. and while i probably can't source those articles for you at the present time, the gist of it boils down to particle size. unless you are wearing a N95 or greater, the efficacy of other masks is questionable at best.
to be clear here, yes i wear a mask (N95, btw) when out in public. however, i do so more for the comfort of others
i also believe that there are natural remedies that can contain this virus better than anything the MSM narrative would have you believe. and this is only what i believe, not to be taken as medical advise but of which, maintaining bodily levels of Vitamin D at a level of 47 ng/ml renders your susceptibility to nil.
3 hours ago, shoshin said:I'm not sold on masks, though I wear one indoors in public settings, but maybe we can stick to more credible medical organizations than AAPS.
agreed.
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1 minute ago, Kemp said:
"And then I see the disinfectant where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning?
"So it'd be interesting to check that."
i repeat myself, you're an idiot.
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1 hour ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:
... couldn’t you have picked someone a little less biased?
shoot the messenger if you must, the article is what's important here.
8 minutes ago, Kemp said:Maybe we can inject sunlight?
you're an idiot.
Alt 0153 will get you the TM icon
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Just now, BillsFanNC said:
Will change zero minds of those who want to politicize masks. The fact is, as this article lays out, there has never been anything close to scientific cinsensus on the benefits of mask usage.
the shame is that, there are those who have already made up their mind because of the running narrative and won't bother to read the article. even if it is just to question things...
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8 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:
Repeat the question and I’ll answer you.
first off Shady, even though we reside on vastly different sides of the current political spectrum, i hope we can remain friends (i think we were/are anyways). again this is just politics and it is not the dinner table so hopefully we can just agree to disagree in the end.
so here goes...
"Do you believe it's ok for politicians son accept money from communist countries?" i'll refine the question a bit to be more encompassing and add in a couple of tangents..., do you believe it is okay for politicians sons to accept money from other countries? does it give the appearance of impropriety? has, as Joe Biden claimed, his son's acceptance of such been 'debunked'?
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2 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:
or sunlightor Clorox
It heat will kill it. It will be like a miracle
it will just go away
6 plus months and it is still here
yes, the Sun provides for the body to manufacture Vitamin D and as more and more studies become available, it is proven that Vit D is a good virus inhibitor. yes, Clorox (bleach) will kill germs on surfaces.
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8 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:
westie? The guy who refused to answer my easy question?TDS
Trump Derangement Syndrome?
yes, Trump Derangement Syndrome.
can you answer Westies question or is the answer a strawman? it's an easy question.
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Just now, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:
Do you believe it's ok for politicians and his sons ro accept money from countries that support radical Islam?
The same country that killed an American?
President Donald Trump said Tuesday that "I have no financial interests in Saudi Arabia" — but in fact he has boasted in the past that "I make a lot of money with them."
Trump has sold apartments and a yacht for millions of dollars to Saudis, and recent decreases in bookings in his New York and Chicago properties since he has been president have been offset, to some extent, by business from Saudi customers.
Trump's tweet denying a financial stake in Saudi Arabia comes amid a growing furor over suspicions that the country's rulers ordered the killing of Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi in the Saudi Consulate in Istanbul on Oct. 2.
you just created a strawman. you did not answer Westies question.
nothing personal but this is a perfect exemplification of what we mean when we say someone has TDS...
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10 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:
beholden?like the Loyalty he demands to himself and not the American people?
Political elite -
like Mitch? Like Lyndsey?He didn’t drain the swamp, he filled it with criminals.
How many of his associates (including the ones he “doesn’t really know”) have gone to prison?
Anyone who spoke out against him got the ax.
Differing opinions should be discussed.
What do they call that. 🤔 Autocracy?
as i said, you will call him a different demon.
what is not lost upon me is the various machinations they have to employ against someone who threatens their little power structure. i'm sure you have not been sleeping these past 5 years.
i don't disagree, there are corrupt ***** on both sides of the aisle.
it's time for something different...
7 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:
If ANY president is out to damage the country isn’t it a persons patriotic duty to protect America?sedition and/or treason?
who decides what is okay? you say he is out to damage the country, so that makes what those insiders are doing okay? i disagree, should i be sidelined as well? slipperyslope your heading down there...
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