Logic

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This is the exact type of blanket conclusion based on limited information in a two sentence statement that I was hoping to see in this thread. Thank you.

I figured the board would take this news well and have a nice, rational, adult discussion about it. Looking forward to all 22 pages of this thread.

I don't find it particularly reasonable to, on the one hand, suggest that it's not possible to deduce that Keon's reduced effectiveness in getting open and executing his plays was responsible for his getting less targets....while on the other hand deducing that Brady's scheme and opposing DC's ability to counter-act it was to blame. There are all sorts of charts, metrics, and analytics measuring receiver performance -- some of which form the basis for the very thread in which you're replying. None of them paint a very flattering picture for Keon Coleman. There's also the eye test, and for me, that test indicated that Coleman didn't look like the same guy after injury that he was before it. And again, his head coach and GM literally SAID as much after the season. If you want to blame scheme, that's certainly your prerogative. I choose to lean more toward the idea that the young, raw, not-so-great-at-separating-to-begin-with WR who dealt with maturity, work ethic, and injury rehab issues was more to blame for his own waning effectiveness than the OC who coordinated the second highest scoring offense in the league.

Keon wasn't the same player after injury. Not the same level of intensity nor effectiveness. The coach and GM both publicly stated this.

As is well documented, I was not a fan of the pick on draft night. I spoke all throughout draft season on the importance of receivers who can separate. I spoke after the draft about my disappointment in Beane not double-dipping at WR as in insurance policy in case his top guy didn't work out (the way he does with corners). So far, to absolutely no one's surprise, Coleman looks in the pros like he looked in college, while Ladd McConkey and Xavier Worthy look like potential stars. Beane seemed to reach back to his old Carolina Panthers days with this receiver archetype. I wish he hadn't. ALL OF THAT HAVING BEEN SAID.... Keon showed some promise at times in his rookie season. Prior to his injury, had a few good games in a row. He was big-boying talented corners on end zone fades and getting some impressive YAC. We'll never know how the rest of his rookie season would've played out if not for that injury, but he was at least showing that he could be a capable NFL receiver. If we get the pre-injury Coleman, and one who focuses and works hard and takes his job seriously, I have faith he'll be a contributor for the Bills on offense. If we get the post-injury Coleman, and/or if he doesn't focus and work hard and take his job seriously, he may be a one-contract player for the Bills.

I have a simple system: If it has meat on it, it goes in the fridge. I don't like leaving meat (even cured meat) sitting out at room temp overnight. If it has no meat on it, it sits out at room temp. It's fine. Nothing on there is gonna get ya. And honestly, I agree with you: It's likely fine in either case. Americans are waaaay too touchy about room temp foods and food poisoning. Everything we eat is mostly processed to high heaven and chock full of preservatives anyway. Food temp is the least of your worries.

If he winds up being Chris Kelsay/Ryan Denney, I'll be happy. That is, an edge setting, run stopping defensive end who can pitch in some pass rush in spurts and add value to the defensive line rotation. And before anyone waves away my invocation of those two names: One played 10 years in the NFL, the other played 9. That's a good career. Jackson's a third round pick, and usually edge rushers that fall to the third round -- great DL draft or not -- don't turn into premium pass rushers. Obviously, it's not a guarantee, and I'll be rooting for him to exceed expectations and ball out for Buffalo. But if he can work into the rotation, add some juice, and set the edge, I'll consider him a worthwhile 3rd round pick.

To be fair, I realized after I made my post that I definitely judge the hell out of people that put ketchup on their steak.

If I was Cam Lewis or Ja'Marcus Ingram, I'd be a little bit worried right now.

Absolutely. 1 of 9 for 13 yards and 2 INTs. AND THIS WAS AN ACTUAL NFL PLAYER!!! Yet still, to this day, there are people (likely even on this message board) that will insist they could complete passes in an NFL game. Comical.

I remembering being like "Riiiiight. Of COURSE this is the year the Bills become an exciting dominant team, setting off offensive fireworks and seeing the coronation of Josh Allen as a legitimate franchise QB....when there are no fans in the stands to see it! Just Bills' fans luck!" Thankfully, it was not a flash in the pan. Here we are five years later and the Bills are still bad Mother F'ers. Also, speaking of COVID football, can we pour one out for poor Kendall Hinton? 💀

I LOVE when artists cover songs. I could go on and on about my favorite covers. I could list too many here to be readable or reasonable. Instead I'll limit myself, and will just say that the vocal renderings of these two songs by these two early 90s vocalists are very powerful. Cornell's -- particularly in light of his untimely passing -- is nearly enough to move me to tears. Vedder's adds an edge of anger and conviction to the song that the original arguably lacked. Chris Cornell - Nothing Compares 2 U (by Prince) Eddie Vedder - Masters of War (by Bob Dylan) Check 'em out on Spotify or Youtube or something. Powerful stuff.

Coleman Palmer Shakir Samuel Moore Shenault Prather Shavers I think that's a reasonably well rounded, diverse top five, with the bottom three guys battling it out for an end-of-roster and special teams spot. Short of having a legitimate WR1, I like the group. If Coleman looks like the guy he was in the first half of last season and Samuel looks like the guy he was in the final few weeks, it could be a very respectable group indeed. Don't make me say it, but....okay okay, I'll say it... The WR room quietly got better today.

Beane going ham on those WGR guys and saying that "bitching about WR is the dumbest argument he's ever heard" and then immediately turning around and signing Elijah Moore is one of the funniest things that's ever happened. As far as pure football: I like the signing. Moore had 500ish yards last year. He's a fast, functional NFL WR with separation ability, and is just 25 years old (somehow). I feel he rounds out our WR corps nicely.

Psssh. Who died and named YOU the arbiter of umbrage? I think at least a modicum of umbrage is due. It feels like you're leaving a little bit of umbrage on the table on this one. In fact, I'd go as far as to say I take umbrage with your lack of umbrage.

Yeah. Also like…if they could give us a gimme game for the “last one ever at Highmark”, that would be great. Wanna go out on a winning note!

Indeed he was. Good prior to his time with the Bills, good after his time with the Bills. Mysteriously unable to get on the field during his time in Buffalo. Weird. Maybe he insulted McDermott's camo hat or something.

MVS was a weird case, but Poona Ford was even weirder. Dude was GOOD good last year for the Rams and parlayed it into a fairly lucrative 3 year deal. And it wasn't like the Bills were just overflowing with DT talent when Ford was unable to even get on the field here.

The other thing with Ogunjobi is that they signed him before they drafted Sanders and Walker. Sometimes the results of a draft can change your thinking on roster spots at a given position.

It's definitely an interesting question. My eyes are on an AJ Epenesa trade and/or a DaQuan Jones cut. They simply don't have room on the roster for everyone. And even IF they find a way to play the first six games with those guys, they'll need to make room once Ogunjobi and Hoecht return.

But to be fair, in the VERY NEXT GAME the Chiefs played, the Eagles were up 24-0 at the half and 34-6 at the end of the third quarter, largely because their defense was so exquisite. So while I get what you're saying about the way that Bills-Chiefs games have played out in the past, is it not reasonable to aim to have them play out differently in the future, namely by attempting to improve our defense to the degree that it doesn't always have to be a shootout with them? If no one had ever held the Chiefs down and bludgeoned them to death, then that would be one thing. But we saw both the Bucs and Eagles, on stages even bigger than conference championship games, shut down the Chiefs offense and not have to win with last minute offensive heroics. In both cases, effective defensive play was the primary culprit. Now maybe it's not a personnel issue. Maybe we simply don't have the defensive coaches to be able to accomplish what I describe above, and if that's the case, it's a whole different discussion. But seeing that teams that have beaten the Chiefs on big stages have largely done so with heroic defensive efforts, is it not reasonable to attempt to make wholesale improvements to our defense? Mind you, I want (and have wanted) a viable receiver added for a couple seasons now. But I would be remiss not to observe that just because PAST Bills-Chiefs games have been shootouts doesn't mean that we have to resign ourselves to the certainty that they always will be.

It feels like everybody's a little right and a little wrong. Beane DOES deserve come criticism for undervaluing the wide receiver position and for the fallout that has come from that. On the other hand, Beane's Bills have won five divisions in a row, consistently have a top five offense, and are coming off a season in which the Bills were 2nd in the league in PPG and their QB won an MVP award. It is almost certainly the DEFENSE which has been more to blame for the Bills' mounting playoff failures than the offense, and even those have arguably been more the fault of the coaching staff than the personnel. One can begin to understand the GM's frustration, then. Furthermore, the media, at times, still behaves the way they did during the drought. That is, Beane does not seem to have earned much benefit of the doubt. And to some extent, I get it! He has yet to bring a Super Bowl trip or a Lombardi to Buffalo, and until he does so, there will be questions and doubts -- especially considering the specific ways in which the Bills have been bounced from the playoffs every year. So all in all, some of the WR discussion IS warranted, and today's actions by Brandon Beane likely represented the culmination of his mounting frustrations, and the WGR guys were just in the wrong place at the wrong time. I bet that if you asked Beane and he was being honest, he'd tell you he wishes he had that interview back. That he could take a few deep breaths and have a do-over. Nothing is black and white in this world, and this situation is no different. There are layers. There is nuance. Unfortunately, we don't live in a world where sports media or the average fan are prepared to discuss and analyze layers and nuance in a reasoned and meaningful way.