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Again: This ignores the mounting evidence that Robinson was a Groyper, and that it was the extremist rhetoric of that movement that was to blame, not democrats. I get that many on the right view this as a great opportunity to pin this tragedy on the "radical left" and rile up its base to think that big, bad antifa was beyond this. Unfortunately for that narrative, Robinson appears more likely to have been a far right extremist than a leftist of any sort.

I don't disagree with most of what you're saying. The problem is that the toothpaste is already out of the tube. They already jumped as fast as they could to label Robinson a member of the "radical left", and now Fox News and Newsmax are gonna run with that narrative for days on end, and millions of Americans are going to (or already do) believe it. I don't blame law enforcement agencies OR the media (for the most part) for being ill-equipped to understand or contextualize this stuff. I DO blame politicians who jumped at the chance to use this as an opportunity to vilify the left. Jumping at the first chance to tell the whole country that the left is to blame BEFORE ANYONE WAS EVEN APPREHENDED appears to have been, ya know....not great!

Thanks. Yeah, I pointed that out in my original posting. That that was a factual inaccuracy. I don't think it invalidates the rest of Cochran's thread, and I think the 18 tweet thread about Groypers that I posted adds further context. Nevertheless, Robinson at this moment appears more likely to be a far right extremist than a leftist of any stripe. Regardless, he appears to have been mentally unwell and steeped in hateful online culture and rhetoric.

Well, that's what I mean about nuance and about things not fitting into our traditional "left vs right" narrative. As I understand it, lots of Groyper talk IS anti modern conservativism and anti-republicanism....but only because they seem to feel that those ideologies aren't far right ENOUGH. Aren't extreme ENOUGH. So while he may have been anti-republican, it also appears that he was a far right extremist.

If you've truly taken the time to understand what the Groyper War movement is, and if you accept what seems to be mounting evidence that Robinson was a Groyper... ..and if after that you're STILL calling him a leftist, well then...I'm sorry, but I think you ought to re-read the Groyper stuff and make a better effort to understand what it is and what it means. I grant that it's nuanced stuff, and there are layers to it, and it doesn't fit a lot of our traditional narratives of what "right" and "left" even mean, and that a lot of us (myself included) are still learning what it all means, but... Robinson does not appear to be a leftist. He appears to be an adherent of a fringe, extremist movement born in the underbelly of the far right.

The Groypers themselves are claiming this guy as their own on 4chan. There are pictures of him going as a Groyper meme for Halloween. Every available piece of evidence paints this guy as a terminally online, far right Groyper War guy. The "he was a leftist!" narrative was fun for a minute, but it doesn't hold water.

It is.

I know the media and local law enforcement bodies are not well equipped to understand this type of nuance, but....Robinson sure looks more like a Groyper than a leftist. I highly recommend reading through both of these threads (of note, slide 9 in the first thread states a factual inaccuracy, but it doesn't invalidate the rest of it). The second thread (about Groypers) is quite informative, for those who don't know what they're all about. Realistically, I know most of you won't read either of them because your opinions are already formed, but...just thought I'd offer something to counter the frothy-mouthed, leftist blaming ragegasm happening in here right now.

Coming off, apparently, his best camp as a pro, and that big game week 1......this really stinks. A foot injury, in particular, for a guy that relies on first step quickness and explosiveness to succeed. *****. I'm not gonna doom and gloom about it, but there's no sugar coating the fact that it sucks, both for the player and for the team.

Breece Hall goes over the century mark and Justin Fields rips off some chunk runs. Sean McDermott's defense forces some passing errors from Fields, who finishes with two interceptions. Josh Allen feasts against the Jets pass defense. Bills win 27-16

Meh. If the Josh Allen Bills can lose to the Zach Wilson Jets, they can darned sure lose to the Justin Fields Jets. I know: Different season, different teams. I'm just saying...Any Given Sunday. Divisional games are weird. Here's to a hard-fought and injury free contest either way.

Thanks as always for the writeup, Shaw. My "have a little faith" story is this: I fly in from the west coast for one game a year. My favorite games are home openers. Good weather, optimism is high, excitement to start a new season is infectious. This being a home opener against a great opponent, and a night game, and the last home opener in Old Highmark history, it seemed like a potentially great option to fly home for. I didn't. Why? Because, to be honest, I like to try to pick games that I'm pretty darned sure the Bills will win. It stinks to fly all the way home, take all that time off of work, spend all that money, only to see the misery of defeat up close. I looked at the whole Bills home schedule, decided this was the game they were LEAST likely to win, and opted to wait for a game later in the season instead. Through three and a half quarters, even as I felt the unpleasant feelings of the Bills being thrashed, I silently patted myself on the back for not flying home to see this atrocity in person. "Good thing you didn't go to this game!", I told myself. Whoops. I missed an all-time classic. I missed possibly the most memorable -- and last -- home opener in Old Highmark history. I missed what, in truth, is probably on the top 20 list for all time most epic, legendary, memorable regular season games in the 50 years of this stadium. Whoops. "Have a little faith next time".

If Ed Oliver's game 1 (and Beane saying it was the best camp of his career) are an indication of a career year for him, and Bosa and our linebackers can stay healthy... Then I like the defense's chances of being good this year. I don't think the Ravens game is a realistic indication of the defense's quality this year. Playing as many youngsters as they are and being in a transitional phase, there were always going to be some early growing pains, especially against an offense as dynamic as the Ravens'. Our safety play needs to rise to "average", but beyond that...I think the Bills D will be just fine, particularly with the returns of Hoecht and Hairson.

Hi! Guy who preferred other receivers to Keon Coleman in that draft here. Keon had a great game! Seems like he gad a great camp, too! He's a very likable guy and he's very athletically gifted and has size you can't teach. The very best thing that could happen to the Buffalo Bills offense is if Keon becomes a reliable and legitimate #1 WR. Last night was a great first step. Given that he's a Buffalo Bill and seems like such a great young man, I will be rooting very hard for him throughout the duration of his career, and I'm thrilled he had such a great game. It is okay to have different personnel preferences than your favorite football team sometimes. It feels great when the team or the player in question proves you wrong, but doesn't invalidate the idea of having one's own preferences that are sometimes different than those of the team. Signed, Guy who has his own preferences, preferred other receivers in the draft, but roots for everyone wearing a Bills jersey no matter what

Anyone who is anything less than ecstatic and jubilant and and soaking up the glory of this miraculous and highly memorable comeback win, all I have to say is... Who hurt you? Why are you the way that you are? Do you walk into the middle oh a hoppin' party and squat over the punch bowl and take a ***** in it? Do you do your taxes on Christmas morning? Do eat your steak well done and covered in ketchup? I understand the sentiment that the defense needs to be better, and that there's lots to clean up. BUT... For the love of God...you don't get many games like that as a sports fan. If you can't enjoy THAT win without being a party pooper, you really ought to consider quitting sports watching entirely.

Josh because he's the ***** GOAT. Keon for making big time plays in big time moments. Palmer for that slick route that put the Bills in game winning field goal range. Ed Oliver for having a GAME and for the strip of Henry. Prater for getting off a plane, coming off the practice squad, and storming into our hearts. John Harbaugh for deciding to punt the ball away to super Saiyan Josh Allen instead of trying to gain 3 yards at the end. Jaire Alexander for tripping Keon up instead of leaving his Ravens with 40 seconds to answer back. GO BILLS!!!

@FranchiseSavior Gonna stick around to chat more this week? Bueller? Bueller?

What an incredible, gritty, gutsy, memorable, epic, legendary ALL-TIMER of a Bills win! One more improbable comeback and unforgettable moment for Old Highmark! Josh! Keon! Palmer! Ed! Prater off the practice squad!!! UNBELIEVABLE! ARE YOU KIDDING ME! Go Bills! SPORTS!!!

Thanks. I agree with everything you say here! And Josh is still the better playoff quarterback

Only the guilty fear Justice.

I'd choose Josh, but neither of those are the reasons why. I'd choose Josh over Lamar largely because when the lights are brightest (the playoffs), he's the better quarterback. Also because I've never seen an athlete make an entire team want to run through a wall for him the way Josh does. He leads by example by putting his own body on the line and going all out every play, every game, in a way I've never seen any other quarterback do. As a leader of men and as a person, he's as elite as it gets. I love Lamar Jackson. I think he's an all-world quarterback and football player. It's a pleasure to watch him play. He's one of the best I've ever seen, and a surefire Hall of Famer. But I'm taking Josh Allen 10 times out of 10. And if we're talking strictly playoff football...again, there's just no reasonable argument that Josh hasn't been better than Lamar at it for the duration of the careers up until now. Could that change? Sure. So far, it's Josh. Definitively.

Fact, not opinion: Josh Allen has been a better playoff quarterback than Lamar Jackson throughout their careers. Every reasonable analytical measurement and statistic proves this. If the question is "which quarterback, on average, is better during the regular season?", you could very reasonably make the case that its Lamar Jackson. If the question is "which quarterback, on average, is better during the playoffs?", there is no reasonable argument for Lamar. None.

QB1 on the field, QB1 off the field.

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