oldmanfan

To be fair it wouldn’t matter if you compare him to guys playing now either. Each guy is different, each coaching staff they have is different, and so on. It is fair I think to say that young QBs need to learn and develop.

Josh came out amped up too much. Kind of like the season opener. When he chilled out he went through his progressions well, went to the open receiver and looked just fine. He needs to see that. Daboll and Dorsey need to help him see it.

Daboll and Dorsey need to keep drilling it into Allen’s head that he should look at those shorter routes, maybe even make those his first read.

Brees has 17 TDS and 16 picks his first full season. Goff suffered his rookie year. Should I go on?

I think the first 3 games show us he has what it takes, but he has to get consistent. The first few games he was getting the ball out on time, taking the shorter throws. Yes, a couple poor decisions but overall good and brought his team back three times. That shows great potential to me. I’m hoping yesterday was a combination of not being ready for the bright lights and Belichick.

And Jackson has had tough games the last two. Watson himself admitted he cost the Texans the game yesterday. Newton had ups and downs; going into this season how many folks were talking about whether he was done. Jones has played two games and I will guarantee he will have bad games this year. Allen has a tough game yesterday. He was bad. He played pretty well the first three games of the year. You claim we overestimate Allen because we want it so badly. I would say we have too many around here that are hypercritical of a kid figuring it out while giving other guys on other teams passes when they do the same.

Good one. Forgot him.

How many games has Allen played? And I mentioned Mahomes as a exception, did I not? Instead of the word rookie, use young. Young QB’s -I’ll define it as two years or less in the league. The have learning curves. That work better for you?

Yes it can go away. It’s a learning process. The only first year QB (and by starts Allen is finishing his first year) I have ever seen who walked into the league and got it right off the bat was Marino. Every other one took time either on the bench or playing and suffering before the light came on. The only one I could remotely put near Marino is Mahomes but he sat for a year learning before taking the reins. QBs make mistakes. Especially young ones and Josh made a ton yesterday to be sure (Belichick has done that to dozens of young QBs through the years). But even old guys still mess up - the pick Brady threw in the end zone yesterday, I have no idea what he was thinking.

Disagree. He has had some picks to be sure, some his fault and some not. But he has been solid overall till yesterday and being able to bring your team back from deficits is a good thing to have in your young QB. i’ll say It again: get rid of the dumb late throws downfield trying to make something out of nothing and get rid of fading back too far in the face of the rush (can’t tell how many times I yelled throw the ball yesterday) and the kid will be really good. He was doing that for the most part the first three games; he didn’t yesterday. How much that was him not being ready for the big game, how much was it Belichick, hard to say.

Yesterday was bad. No one is arguing that. But quit making other rookies out to be great when they have a good game and pooh pooh when Allen did. Young QBs take time to develop, Jones will have bad games too. So will Minshaw. Allen got schooled by a master in Belichick. He needs to learn from it. No doubt.

When he needed to, he came through. There’s your answer. He needs to play better overall. I say this repeatedly: the biggest thing for young QBs is to get the game to slow down. It is slowing down for Allen, we certainly saw that in the first three games. Yesterday as I’ve said earlier today the moment was too big for him. At this point in his career at least. When he finally gets he can destroy teams by just taking what’s there and that he doesn’t have to make the home run play every time he’ll be really good. It’s there, we can see it, but he has to stop making two mistakes: holding onto the ball too long when the play isn’t there and taking bad sacks and throwing deep into coverage to try and make a big play. You have ascertainment bias, it’s pretty clear. You decided a while ago Josh won’t be the guy. So when you bring up Jones as a rookie and has a good game, it’s how great Jones was. But when Josh did the same thing against the Vikings last year it’s that it was the WRs and the playcalling. Anything but him playing well. Too bad, I thought you were interested in serious give and take.

Allen came out and destroyed Minnesota in one of his first games, did he not? Young QBs have ups and downs. Jones will too. Allen has a down yesterday. Leading three victories up to yesterday were ups.

No one is happy with the way he played yesterday. And I would wager that Allen feels that way more than anyone. Hopefully that motivates him to fix some of those dumb decisions.

Yep, he's had a couple good games. He also threw a dumb pick 6 late yesterday that could have cost his team the game. And he's 5 years into his career. Yet some want to throw Allen over the side already. I will say yet again today: Allen stunk yesterday. He has to get the dumb throws under control, but having watched what he did the first three games and in the TD drive yesterday, he can do that. It just has to become the norm for him.

Sad, isn't it? I wonder if he'd trade our entire draft to get Winston from the Bucs? That's what he wanted to do when Winston was drafted, after all.

True. I think the game was too big for him yesterday, and he tried to do way too much early. I wish he'd play in the first quarter like he plays in the fourth quarter, and I think he will as time goes on. Good points. and Jackson had a tough day yesterday as well. There's a reason why, with the notable exception of Mahomes, the best QBs in the league are the guys that have had experience.

Don't bother arguing with rober. When we win next week he'll disappear. He only shows up when they lose so he can crow about being some kind of QB expert. Allen stunk yesterday and has to play better. He has to stop making the same mistake with the late ball into coverage. But let's remember he stunk against the best defensive coach in history. He's not the first and won't be the last.

At the time I posted that I didn't care if they won or lost, but someone had to go after Jones and bury him for the cheap hit. Still think that way today.

Excellent write up as always. I can't count the number of times yesterday I yelled two phrases: Get rid of the ball! Stupid mistakes! Josh was bad yesterday, and all we can do is hope he learned a really good lesson from the master in Belichick. The kid has all the potential in the world, and we have seen he can do it, but my exact text to my daughter yesterday was " too big a moment for him right now". When he plays within himself, takes the shorter throws, etc. he looks great, but he reverts to trying to put the entire game on his shoulders and make huge plays down field, tries to buy too much time backing up scrambling. They have to coach that out of him. Stupid mistakes are what killed them yesterday, and not all from Allen. You cannot have a veteran TE take four penalties in such an important game. You cannot have a LT hold when you have a defensive offside that gives you a first down. You cannot allow them to block a punt, someone has to recognize what's happening and either adjust blocking or call time out. You have to have your spotters give the HC better input on challenges so time outs aren't wasted, and so you have challenges when you really can use them. You can't drop passes you should catch. And so on. For the first time in a long time, I think we can say the Bills have enough raw talent on both sides of the ball to compete with New England. But against a Belichick-coached team you cannot make dumb mistakes. We did and it lost the game.

They should throw him out of the league.

Allen has to quit being stubborn. That's really the crux of it. The accuracy thing has been answered this season; he has ben very accurate for the most part, missed a coupele throws like all QBs do but has largely been on target. But he has to get that roll out to the right and chuck it downfield throw out of his repertoire, as he does the keep fading back and throwing while backpedaling trick he does. He is trying to make plays when they aren't there because he's being stubborn. The frustrating thing is on the drives where he has led the team back from being down (like yesterday) or like the opening of the Jets and Giants games, he has it within him to take the shorter throws and move the team down the field. He has it within him to use the team around him. He just has to get over that stubbornness where he thinks he has to do it all. Daboll screaming at him like he did yesterday might work, or maybe a vet like Gore needs to take him to the side and patiently explain how he needs to stop that stuff. If he does we'll be fine.

You don't like someone challenging your takes. Too bad. I get on your stuff because you only come on here to crow when the team does poorly. Because you think it somehow shows your genius in evaluating Qbs. And you're the guy that would have traded the entire draft to get Winston. To me that sows you don't have the knowledge you think you have, and it's beyond irritating when you come on here and pretend you do, only after a loss.

Why exactly were you nowhere to be seen when the team was 3-0, and now only come out after a loss? And I have already said numerous times Allen played bad yesterday. I have no agenda with him.

Just for the heck of it I reviewed some posters' histories. I noted you had no posts about Allen or about the QB play or pretty much any thing about the team the first 3 weeks when they won. And now because they lose to the Pats, and because Allen had a tough outing, all of a sudden you're all over the board commenting on the kid, and how bad he is and so on. And it's not like you were off on an island with no Internet access because during those first three weeks you were on the Politics section pretty regularly. So why do we hide and stay mum when things are good for the team, but jump out and comment when they have a loss? What is the agenda here?