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If they are working here, yes they should have access to healthcare. There’s absolutely no reason not to. This notion of “29 year olds in mom’s basement playing video games all day” is a complete strawman you guys have made up. It doesn’t happen. They’re fleeing it because it’s simply not affordable to live. When the median house in California is over $700,000, then it’s no surprise people are leaving it. Nearly every single prominent American metropolis is blue.

Most of those jobs are obsolete. We need to get better at solar, microchips, and other high tech. We don’t need investment in tin can factories This is like taking away Bloomberg terminals from stockbrokers

What is your way forward? I think giving employees the tools to do their jobs correctly is a good thing, actually

Then transition them to high-tech manufacturing in sectors like batteries. Oh wait. MAGA hates that.

Why is that a “win” to you? I don’t particularly care about manufacturing jobs, because it’s not 1951 anymore. I mention it because of the MAGA obsession with returning to brutal factory jobs.

This looks nice on first glance, but the vast majority of jobs were added in the government, healthcare and service sectors. Aka, the sectors about to be devastated by OBBB. Also manufacturing still hasn’t grown, despite MAGA efforts.

None of this compares to losing your friggin citizenship because the government finds you guilty of wrong think

Typically student visa holders

So…not “illegals” then. Thanks for admitting your defeat at least.

You want an American politician stripped of citizenship and deported for his beliefs. You have absolutely no room to argue.

“Illegals” are not eligible for Medicare.

Most of those jobs are in government sectors. Manufacturing lost jobs. Is still down 10% yes.

Also, knock it off with this supposed belief in supporting social services for Americans. The MAGAs just voted to strip 5% of American citizens of their healthcare. The vast majority of immigrants are hard workers with jobs. Thats evidenced by the fact that ICE has to keep raiding job sites, and that Trump had to back track and pause ICE raids on farms.

What does “destroy our country” mean? I’ve heard this hysteria since the Bush administration.

There is not a single covid protocol equivalent to denaturalization and deportation as punishment. Not one.

It’s already happening. https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/ice-deports-3-u-s-citizen-children-held-incommunicado-prior-to-the-deportation When are you going to realize you’re on the bad guys’ side?

In what f-ing universe is “wear a mask for covid” equivalent to “we’re taking away your citizenship and sending you to Sudan?”

Yes, I support the free movement of people where they see fit. I have never said anything about total amnesty. If you want to come up with an actual plan to get the real criminals out, instead of “mass deportations,” go for it. But that’s not the goal. More funding for ICE with plans to begin stripping citizenship away from Americans is a gigantic warning flag. You support an authoritarian government that’s increasingly stomping on all immigration and people who don’t fall in lockstep with the MAGA ideology.

Oh it’s cute you think they’re only deporting “illegal” immigrants.

With what resources are they developing? How are they to change their institutions? We used to help with that. Then MAGA decided it was communism and now millions will die.

I guess if I didn’t know how to read an academic paper, that would be my argument style as well

No, I have an aversion to people who can’t make an actual argument so they resort to gotcha nonsense like that.

Many reasons. Developing nations don’t have the capacity for a welfare net, or even basic services. They do not have the same trade agreements and access to the global market. They don’t have the purchasing power for goods like medicine and raw materials. I enjoy conversing with @Orlando Buffalo because he argues in good faith and doesn’t resort to digging up posts from two years ago as some kind of “gotcha”

No need for the nastiness. There is no difference between the kids. They have the same human rights, same dreams, same basic needs. Once you realize that, you’ll figure out why I’m so opposed to ICE and MAGA.

The point is to cause as much human suffering as possible. That’s the entire MAGA ideology. It’s completely indefensible