HappyDays
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I can see both sides of this.
I did want them to start Barkley again, not because I care about winning games this year, but because he came off the street and put up 41 points with what had previously been a historically bad offense. I don't think the additions of Foster and McKenzie alone caused us to suddenly blow out a decent defense. Barkley played really well after 11 days of being here. I'm of the opinion that until you have a franchise QB you should be rewarding QBs that play well. Leave no stone unturned. Allen hasn't earned anything yet. That's why I was fine starting Peterman the first game. Yes he crapped the bed but no one could honestly say he didn't win the competition in camp and preseason. Switching from him to Allen was not a big deal. No one was ever calling for Allen to be pulled for Peterman after that. I would like to see us do the same thing with Barkley. It's easier to switch from Barkley to Allen than the other way around.
On the other hand Barkley is 28 years old, he's put up yards before but also turned the ball over a lot, and arguably he should have thrown two picks against the Jets. So maybe we are better off letting Allen develop if we've concluded Barkley will never be consistent enough to be a franchise QB. I get that argument.
Still I would go with the hot hand if I were the Bills because Barkley starting is a no-lose scenario. If he goes out against the Jags and throws 3 picks, now we know he hasn't changed his ways and we can start Allen the rest of the year. No one will call for Allen to be benched for Barkley. And of course if he does the same thing to the Jags that he did to the Jets then things would get interesting.
Starting Allen is only a win scenario if he plays well. If he plays really poorly and suddenly the offense is stagnant for 2 or 3 games, you will have fans questioning the regime's decision and people will be calling for Barkley to start. Then you either keep trotting out a QB who is not ready or you pull him for Barkley again and the optics of either decision would look terrible.
So I'll be rooting for Allen to play well, but if he doesn't there will be serious questions about McDermott and Beane's decision making on offense. We all saw a QB off the street put up 41 points. If we go back to 10 points a game where do we go from there?
30 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:McDermott - I was around a situation in Philly years ago where AJ Feely came in and won some games for us, but when the starter was back, the starter played
And this is my issue. He is calling Allen the starter but what has Allen done to deserve that label automatically? I don't care that he was drafted in the 1st round. He should earn it like anyone else. Barkley in my opinion earned another game. They are handing the franchise to Allen and I don't get it.
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10 minutes ago, no name said:
then the bulldogs went on to only score 7 in the 2nd half falling 50-17 to Alabama. I just had to mention that.
Yep and for a half of football they couldn't put up more than 10 points against college players that are already planning other careers. I wonder what we would do to Alabama in a half of football if we didn't take our foot off the gas?
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4 hours ago, NewEra said:
If we take a LB or safety in the first I’ll lose it.
Yep BPA at a need is my philosophy. I don't care if the BPA is a RB. The talent difference between that player and the next BPA on our list isnt that big. And personally I stay away from safeties, DTs, RBs, and interior linemen in the top 10 no matter what.
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Alabama is tied with the 4-5 Citadel Bulldogs at halftime. I just had to mention that.
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I wouldn't take a DT in the top 5 no matter how dominant they project to be. Elite DTs aren't an important piece. The Rams have the best DT in football and he is the last reason they are winning games. DT is also last on our list of needs IMO, or at least second last above safety. Oliver would be a luxury pick and we can't afford that.
I've come around to the idea that Greedy Williams would be a good pick because that would give us an absolutely shut down secondary. But I find it much more appealing to trade down and draft the best receiver available. Or if we stay put I guess Jonah Williams. I'm not a huge fan of o-line in the top 5 either but I'd like that better than Oliver.
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3 hours ago, Albany,n.y. said:
If Josh Allen sacks Josh Allen, will it destroy the space time continuum?
What if Deionte Thompson picks off a pass intended for Deonte Thompson while Josh Allen is taken to the ground by Josh Allen?
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I'm actually surprised by this, I figured after releasing Pryor they felt comfortable with Foster and McKenzie as their speed guys. Maybe Benjamin is going to have his role reduced moving forward. We can only hope.
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4 hours ago, Jerome007 said:
Mahomes was the 10th pick. Should all 9 GMs that passed him up be fired too?
Our GM wasn't even hired yet when Mahomes was drafted. Let's fire him for a move he wasn't here to make.
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5 minutes ago, JohnC said:
I would love to get OK's Brown at wideout. He reminds me a little of Antonio Brown because of his dynamism and ability to make big plays. The reason why I believe he would be available with a trade down is because of his small and lean stature. I'm not bothered by his small stature. He has played in a big program against big time opposition and has demonstrated that he is a playmaker.
Yep size doesn't matter as much anymore for receivers. The rule changes have made it much easier to survive an NFL season. 10 years ago Tyreek Hill would have been destroyed but now defenders can't touch him until the ball is in his hands. I see Brown having a similar impact.
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1 minute ago, JohnC said:
I like Brown a lot as a dynamic receiving prospect. But if the Bills were intent on drafting him I wouldn't draft him where our probable first round pick would be. I would trade down and get him and then address some other issues, especially on the OL.
I agree, I would trade down if we end up in the top 3. But you never know with this team. I could see us ending up 7-9 and drafting 10th in which case I wouldn't get cute and trade down. A true #1 WR is the most important thing we can get right now, and I would argue a #1 TE is not far below that.
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Foster and McKenzie made him expendable. Both should see their role increased moving forward. Benjamin would be gone too if not for a potential comp pick.
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I'd try and draft a true #1 WR in the 1st round. Marquise Brown gets my vote. I'd also overpay Matt Paradis to get us a dominant C and keep Bodine as a backup. We also still need a RG and RT, and a consistent slot receiver. And a #1 TE and a RB to eventually replace Shady. So no I wouldn't say our offensive roster is really even close to good yet. We have potentially 5 future starters in Allen, Teller, Zay, Dawkins, and Foster, and most of them aren't proven yet.
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As of last week we had the #2 defense in DVOA, 3rd in pass and 10th in run. DVOA takes into account opponents running out the clock and that sort of thing so no mirage here. We may go up to #1 this week, the new rankings will be posted later today.
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7 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:
The Pats played the Vikes, who had the #1 run defense. Rather than run against it, they came out in multiple receiver sets and just threw all the time and blew out the Vikes.
So you're saying the Vikings forced the Patriots into a 1 dimensional offense, and because they couldn't stop the pass that means stopping the run was a waste? We did the same thing and held their offense to 16 points through 3 quarters. An average offense would have beat the Patriots on MNF. In part because our run defense was stout.
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Jerry Jones has already said he sees Prescott as their future QB.
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15 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
No idea. Murphy will be cut in the offseason.
Hmm I'm not sure about that. I guess it depends on what he does in the final six weeks. They owe him $8.6 million next year and if worse comes to worst they can cut him next year with only $1.75 million in dead cap for 2020.
Murphy was supposed to be their Poyer signing of the 2018 offseason, it just unfortunately hasn't worked out nearly as well.
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I can't say I'm surprised. This does support what I've been saying which is that wins are secondary this year. They think Allen can be a franchise QB and Barkley can't so regardless of who gives the team a better chance to win they will start the potential franchise QB. I hope the receivers and line can keep it up the rest of the season.
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I feel like he's as relieved as anyone
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16 minutes ago, Elite Poster said:
Ask the Jags how that's going...
The Jaguars do not have an average offense. They're ranked 29th in PPG. If they were average they'd be in much better shape.
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1 hour ago, RochesterRob said:
The Jets defense is not so bad as to be compared to a preseason effort. The biggest problem I saw is the Jets were anticipating the pop gun offense the Bills had been putting out prior to yesterday and not mentally adjusting to it.
Right, the Jets offense has been almost as bad as the Bills but their defense has been above average. I think Barkley took them by surprise starting with the very first play in the game. For the first time all season we had a balanced offense. I'm in no hurry to throw that away.
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43 minutes ago, teef said:
but what does this get you moving forward?. barkley isn't the future.
Mahomes sat on the bench the whole season last year. He came in this season immediately playing at a high level from the first game. Personally I think Allen could use the time on the bench, and now it looks like we have a viable bridge QB so we can afford to let him sit.
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3 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said:
I'm not sure how much you have watched him in his career. He's very capable of good games. He has a BAD arm, which is why he was drafted in round four and has been released by five different teams. He showed it today. He should have had a couple picks. He threw about three extremely weak out patterns which was what killed Nate. He's just like Nate only slightly smarter and slightly better arm. But this has been his history.
He's not even a good backup. At all. Before today he has a 63 passer rating, 8-18 TD/INT. And that is with a few 300 yard games and games like today.
The difference is Peterman actually throws the picks and Barkley didn't. One of his passes today probably should have been picked. I'm okay with that when he played so well otherwise. Does he have a cannon arm, of course not, but neither do Brady, Dalton, Cousins, and plenty of other viable QBs from the average to the elite. The Patriots offense, the same offense we are running, is not predicated on arm strength. You can overcome an average arm with timing and decision making and accuracy. Barkley showed all of those traits today. The passes that could have been picked were poor decisions. His arm was strong enough to move the ball consistently.
Of course it is much more likely than not that Barkley will regress to his normal play if we continue to start him. The chance of him becoming our franchise QB must be around 10%. But I want to know for sure. After a performance like he had today I think he has earned the opportunity to prove it was not just a fluke. It would be different if we had a definite franchise QB waiting in the wings but we don't, and Allen will have plenty of chances over the next 2 seasons to show what he can do.
I wonder what Daboll is thinking right now. For the first time all season his offense was consistent at moving the ball and scoring points. I wonder if he is in a hurry to make a change so quickly.
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13 minutes ago, JohnC said:
McDermott added speed to today's roster and it made a difference. Foster and the new player from Denver were factors because of their speed.
Yep Foster looked like a real NFL receiver and McKenzie is a find. The modern NFL offense is built on speed. You can't just mug receivers in the open field anymore. 10 years ago Tyreek Hill would have never made it through a full season. Now defenders can't touch him until the ball is in his hands and by then it's too late. But you still need the QB to take advantage of that and Barkley did.
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Barkley should start and lose or keep the job. Nuance, emotion, morale are important.
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Starting Barkley has nothing to do with wins. I am very pleased that McDermott isn't talking about how we're still technically in the hunt. The team knows what this season is and they aren't hiding it, I'm fine with that. But what if Barkley is good? I would rather know for sure. And I would rather not ruin Allen's confidence and development by putting him in early.