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4 hours ago, dave mcbride said:
See my qualification above. Address the other difficulty and velocity issues. Those are real things that manifested on that play.
Only Bills receivers have this problem. Case in point, Mahomes throws with about as much velocity as Allen and his receivers catch the ball with no issues, including off target throws.
Enter former Bills receiver Kelvin Benjamin:
Yeah the ball has some velocity on it. But there is no question he should make that catch.
So no, Benjamin wasn't having trouble catching Josh Allen passes. He actually just sucks. If Zay Jones went to Kansas City he wouldn't suddenly learn to win contested catches. He just sucks. Much like all of our receivers and tight ends. Foster is the only one to show any semblance of consistent catch ability and he is far from being a reliable target at this point.
4 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:Wilson completed 73% of his passes his last year in college.
Yeah, when he transferred to Wisconsin. His first 3 years at NC State he was 54.5%, 59.3%, and 58.4%. He didn't magically become 15% more accurate, he transferred to a better team. That actually proves the point that completion percentage does not equal accuracy. Or are you saying that if he had stayed at NC State his senior year he wouldn't have become an accurate QB?
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4 hours ago, billsfan1959 said:
If Logan Thomas' fingertips extend in the opposite direction of all other human beings and end at his palms, then, yes, it was off his fingertips. If not, it was a ball he should have come down with.
Thank you. I tried to come up with a response to that insanity but nothing will beat this. I genuinely don't think some people watch other games. The catch that Croom made last week was one of the top 3 Bills catches this year and for most other offenses it is a standard catch made once or twice a week.
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2 hours ago, Mopreme said:
This is what happens when you draft Zay Jones ahead of Juju. Whoever made that call should be fired!
I think the guy who made that call was fired already. Phil McGeoghan was Zay's WR coach at ECU and he was our WR coach last year. I honestly think he put in a good word for Zay and because the new regime was relying on limited information for that draft we took his advice. He was fired last year and now coaches for the Chargers. I still don't know what McDermott was basing his draft decisions on last year. Beane wasn't even here yet and we redid most of the scouting department immediately after.
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25 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:
Foster never touched the ball and I don't believe Thomas did either.
Foster touched the ball but I can understand not calling that one a drop. This one however is inexcusable:
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3 hours ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said:
It would be a great time to re-examine Allen’s Scouting Reports that were being released Pre-Draft. Just to see what the evaluators were seeing as his Pros and Cons coming into the league agaisnt where he is after his first season.
Didn't you start the thread about how you'd like Allen to stay in the pocket and throw the ball even if it leads to mistakes? It looks like that's exactly what he's been doing the past 2 games.
The pre-draft report on Allen was that it would take a year or two for him to develop because of how raw he was. If he doesn't progress from his current level he will not be a franchise QB, to state the obvious. I don't think his flaws are unfixable. Accuracy is not nearly as bad as I expected. Mobility and arm strength are even better than I expected. My biggest concern is his ability to read defenses but that's the kind of thing that often fixes itself over time with experience. If he can learn to make the right throw at the right time I think he will be great even if his accuracy never improves from where it is now.
1 hour ago, SWATeam said:One recorded drop yesterday? No way
We can go ahead and stop posting drop stats. I've had issues with the way they're recorded for years. Incompletions that any reasonable person would call a drop are not considered drops by the statistics. Watch other games and you won't see anything approaching the level of incompetency you get from our receivers. I don't need an ESPN stats intern to tell me otherwise.
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4 hours ago, billspro said:
Not a short yardage check down offence. But when all the defenders drop back into deeper coverage he has to make them pay and hit the RB in the flat to keep them honest.
I agree, I would like to see that incorporated into the offense more. A run game will keep defenses honest too. Right now it almost looks like Allen is being coached to push the ball down the field. I don't always even see a check down option. I wonder if they are telling him to throw the ball down field and make it a learning experience. Wins don't matter at this point. The development of Josh Allen is way more important and they might be okay with him making mistakes if he is learning the game. I imagine it is easier to insert more check downs next year than teach the QB how to make big plays.
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1 hour ago, Andy1 said:
100% correct. Seemed like every time I looked up to see the tv someone was making a play I have not seen any of our receivers make this year. Oh, except for one - when Benji let the ball go through his hands in the end zone.
Imagine if Benjamin had been the Chiefs #1 receiver this season. In fact imagine our whole offensive roster but with Mahomes at QB. Better, of course, but not a top offense in this league. We have a lot of holes.
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2 minutes ago, DuckyBoys said:
if his receivers just came through on some of the dimes he dropped we could have won The kid gives guys a shot to make big plays, Bills need to go out and get the guys to make those plays
Right it's just not what we're used to seeing. His arm and mobility allow him to make plays only a couple people in the league can make. Why are we going to teach him to run a short yardage checkdown offense? Let him play his game. Just get some receivers that have a clue and build around his skill set.
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24 minutes ago, billspro said:
That is definitely something he needs to work on in the offseason. If the defence is giving you short passes and you don’t take them you will have a short career in this league. Probably the number 1 thing Allen needs to develop in order to become a franchise QB. You have to have patience and know when to take your shots in this league.
I don't mind that he pushes the ball down the field. His completion percentage will suffer for it but he throws accurately enough that it opens up the whole field. On 3rd and long never once have I expected him to throw it short of the sticks. That's his style for better and worse. We need receivers that can track the ball, separate, and make normal catch adjustments. That will be much more important to our offense progressing than Allen learning to throw 3 yard passes. Having any kind of run game at all will open things up downfield too. Allen's skill set can win in this league but we're not even close to having the right personnel around him to make it work.
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7 minutes ago, Mark Vader said:
I don't mind the trade-ups that much, but I agree that with the upcoming draft that we need to use all the picks we have.
I would much rather trade down in the next draft.
Our drafting overall has been pretty good the past 2 years and we've found solid players like Milano and Taron Johnson in the later rounds. That's why I don't understand their willingness to part with later picks for a couple of lottery tickets. Beane said after the draft they traded up for Edmunds because he was a lot higher on their draft board. And that's fine if the draft falls according to your draft board. Just don't put so much unearned faith in yourself that you're giving up chances on other players.
So many GMs make this mistake. Milano has been a better player than Edmunds and I don't think anyone would have predicted that, but smart GMs should know the draft is unpredictable. Edmunds wouldn't be a bad pick in a vacuum, if we end up moving him to OLB for example I wouldn't hate it, but giving up players for him makes it a bad value. -
Just now, Coach Tuesday said:
It’s not “unearned confidence” so much as zero accountability for making mistakes. These guys know they’re unfireable.
It's the same mistake made by a bunch of executives in the NFL. They don't know what they don't know. Draft mistakes will happen no matter what and the best way to minimize that is use all your picks or trade down for more. I would never trade up for a player that isn't a QB.
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We need to stop trading up. The only player you can justify that for so far is Allen just because he plays QB. Dawkins, Jones, and now Edmunds have not been worth the trade ups. Our best player was drafted in a trade down. I don't get the unearned confidence in the scouting.
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1 minute ago, thebandit27 said:
Does anyone still question the utter dearth of offensive talent on this roster?
This is the worst way to develop Allen. He isn't going to stop pressing too much until he has an offense he can trust.
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I honestly have never seen so many incompletions that hit a receiver right in the hands. It is unprecedented. Allen isn't playing all that well today but we should have at the bare minimum 17 more points on the board.
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1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:
Haha Croom is laughably bad.
He arguably has the best hands of anyone on the offense. Definitely top 3. I don't mean that as a compliment.
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Just now, GunnerBill said:
I missed the throw to Zay.... was too long sorting my 2nd half snacks. Came back and they were kicking the FG.
It was a simple back shoulder and he just didn't make a play on it. But he was in tight coverage against Gilmore which apparently means it wasn't a good read. Sometimes the receiver just needs to make a play.
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1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:
If you think that is anything like the throw at the end of the first half I don't know what to tell you.
No the pass at the end of the 1st half wasn't great, I get that. But there are people saying we shouldn't throw those types of passes at all because the defender has tight coverage. i.e. the back shoulder to Zay.
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Just now, Wayne Cubed said:
Ha, wow. You ok? You need a hug or something?
If I was a Bills receiver I would be getting hugged all day long
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Just now, Wayne Cubed said:
That, that was a great throw to Thomas
Was it? The defender was right next to him. He should have found the wide open man.
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Ah he shouldn't have thrown the ball to the TE, there was a defender next to him. That means it is an impossible conversion.
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3 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said:
People are quick to point to this when a play doesn't work but you are basing that on the fact that Allen chose to go to Zay. The Pats are playing man coverage on 3rd down, Allen should be looking for the best match up. He keeps going to Gilmores side and I have no idea why.
Look at what you're saying here. Allen should know his receiver is so bad that he can't win a 1-on-1 matchup. Then why is the receiver on the field? You're saying we have a 10 man offense and Allen should know better.
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2 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:
Why do bills fans always blame the receiver??? It was a bad throw, the receiver was blanketed (again), and it wasn’t a good decision.
Do you watch other offenses? That is what a back shoulder throw looks like. The defender is in tight coverage and the receiver comes back to the ball. Zay can't separate, track, or catch. He cannot be one of our top 3 receivers next year.
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6 minutes ago, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said:
Nope. I want receivers that can bail us out on a few throws as much as anyone. That was a throw that needed exactly that.
Doesn't mean it's not a bad throw.
I'll take receivers that consistently catch easy passes, then we can work on tough catches.
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Just now, GunnerBill said:
That is a really bad pass on 4th down.
Is it? Hit the hands. Should have been a 1st down at the goal line.
Again in 5 minutes of a game I see catches no Bills have made this year
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Yep I think this is exactly right. We can criticize Allen without pretending he throws the ball too hard for his poor little receivers to make a catch. Some receivers just aren't good and ours happen to be the worst collection in the league. Very few QBs have perfect precision consistently. Most are putting the ball where their receivers can make a play and they're expected to come down with it. Only in Buffalo is a difficult catch expected to be an incompletion or made into an excuse.