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But Singletary is pretty clearly anything but a north-south runner...what I see is him spending more time in the backfield avoiding unblocked defenders to make that time behind LOS higher. He's not doing the Leveon Bell wait behind a great oline and pick your hole (sorry), he's working in the backfield.

I will just ask again- what about a high average amount of time behind the LOS leads you to believe his YPC is inflated?

From what I've seen on tape he does fine vs eight man boxes.

LOL and Cover1 says he faced such fronts 24 times.

From what I saw we ran him a decent amount in 12 personnel...is it really that surprising he might have seen 8 man boxes more than eight times the whole season?

Yes you are correct, the nextgen stats are from the NFL and not ESPN. I will edit the post

Last year's class wasn't that highly regarded iirc...who would you have taken instead of our picks?

Yes. Our GM is scared to draft wideouts. Don't suppose you ever stop and think about what you're typing

Nice video!

Yes I know

It COULD be both, certainly, but from what I've seen it's more likely that it isn't.

theyre doomed

I mean in hindsight it's an obvious call

batting 1.000 so far

I acknowledged the possibility of ESPN having a different definition of '8 men in the box' due to how they gather their data via sensors in the OP. But imo the stills I put up are perfectly appropriate examples of traditional 8man fronts taken either immediately pre or post snap...I'm obviously trying to have an honest discussion or I wouldn't have gone through the trouble. You contend that these 8 plays are the entirety of the 5.3% of carries vs 8man fronts ESPN calculated for Singletary?

I did you one better and provided film. Would you care to elaborate or simply throw insults around

Still think he only faced 8man fronts 5.3% of the time?

It was used with such conviction though Are you prepared to say that maybe he faced more than 8 carries against 8man fronts? Do you understand how averaging a high amount of time behind the LOS is NOT really a good argument for an 'inflated' YPC?

I don't disagree. This was a particular conversation regarding certain specific aspects of Singletary's overall game, his propensity to face an inordinately low % of 8man fronts included.

Sorry, 1000% sample size

ESPN says he only faced an 8 man box 8 times. If these are the 8 times then I think it's fair to draw some conclusions from 100% sample size.

Yes, these questions are supposedly answered by the Nextgen stats...which was kind of the point of the exercise. If the plays above are the 8 times all year he faced an 8man front, he was actually more effective against it than his average attempt. If they're not, then ESPN's calculating their 8man box very differently than what that defense looks like traditionally. As it stands, I see little evidence suggesting either is incorrect.

Of course, which is why I specifically chose 8 plays: that's the amount that (according to NextGen stats) he faced an 8 man front all season ESPECIALLY true against a run heavy team like the Bills

gained 7 yards on this play and finally cause my computer didn't like all these photos- gained 15 yards on the ground ...to recap- these are 8 examples of Singletary rushing against an 8 man box. Theoretically (according to NextGen stats) this is all the rushes he had vs such fronts. Except I know that can't be the case since his YPA on these rushes was a sterling 13.25 and according to the aforementioned posters his YPA was inflated by the lack of facing 8 men in the box. From this we can surmise A- NextGen stats and I have a different definition of 8men in the box (totally possible- as we know the nextgen stats are computed via chip in players helmets/pads so they may not set off close enough to LOS, but cmon...these are definitely 8 man fronts by any stretch, majority run downs as well) as well as B- they might have calculated Singletary's 5.3% vs 8men in the box very low (because these are simply from his highlight reel as referenced above, I don't have the energy to go through every single snap) ie calculated it incorrectly and finally C-unless he lost a TON of yards on a BUNCH of other attempts vs 8man fronts (possible but imo wildly unlikely enough to bring down a 13.25 ypa) then the idea that his overall YPA was inflated due to facing an inordinately small percentage of 8 man fronts is simply incorrect.

this one went for 14 gained 16 yards on this play he ran for 9 yards here