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Just saw this. Not a well titled piece as the author mixes up game experience, architecture and team record all in one statement. (maybe the author had better, but editors change headlines for clickbait) Anyway... 1. The Ralph is fairly placed. 2. Thought it interesting that #1 and #2 "stadiums" are remodeled stadiums v. new construction.

To the three Doctor's on this board... As they say on Reddit "explain it to me like I'm 5" With MRI's that show every molecule of your being these days... why do you need to be dead and physically cut open by a coroner to be diagnosed with CTE. You'd think that would show up on film. Why can't CTE be diagnosed while you are alive?

http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/01/30/concussion-doctor-says-oj-simpson-has-cte I must agree. OJ was a normal, if not amazing person you would want to be your friend.. up to the mid 80's or so. Then he evolved into a bad person over a period of years. His behavior after football was so contrary to his behavior as a young man. My favorite memories are of him in the Airplane movie. A CTE diagnosis shouldn't clear anyone from responsibility for their actions. But it should be a factor when considering their punishment. Unfortunately, you have to dead before people know you had CTE. WTF. I might go see that concussion movie now... Whoops. Close this if you want. I see another similar thread.

Is that you, Donn?

If I remember correctly.. we were competitive, but burned ourselves with field goals and extra points in that game.

There's allot of people confident here that the Bills will never move. I won't quote one because the are many. Here are some attributes of people who were overconfident: Overestimating knowledge about a situation. Some apparently are inside Pegs cranium, guessing he has an irrationale love for the Bills and Buffalo and will sustain red ink, or he won't sell to an outrageous bid, or not do something goofy or unexpected. Ignoring or not seeking contrary information. The constant pressure to make money in mothership NFL cannot be ignored. The St Lous/San Diego/Oakland >> LA thing cannot be ignored. Overconfidence from past positive events. Sure, the white knight rode into town and saved the team. Yes, the mega-billion dollar NFL TV contract currently gives owners the chance to suck in their home markets and make money... but who is to say that TV money will continue? Or because billion dollar stadiums and luxury suites work for town X, Y and Z (jury still out).. are you sure it will work in Buffalo? "Well, I think we tried very hard not to be overconfident, because when you get overconfident, that's when something snaps up and bites you." Niel Armstrong Me.. I think the Bills are here forever. But only if fans are not complacent.

No it's not too late. The message I took from the article: the Bills are in a Pegs honeymoon period, but will be under increasing pressure to make some money for mothership NFL. The way to provide the NFL more money could mean moving. or it could mean a new stadium. I hope Pegs straight-arms the league and sits tight. That will be easy to do if they are winning on the field.

Imagine if the 2019 Bills have missed the playoffs again for X straight years. I'd say the fan base is dead, the cash flow is dead, and the Bills are gone. You explain otherwise. (X years.. would that be 20? .. it's to depressing to think about)

OK. The next four years.

Yes. I think more future losing seasons would severely affect ticket sales, decreasing revenue and then the pressure will be on for the Bills to do something, which could be a move. There's some over confidence here that what was, will be. Supporting losers for 15 years: nothing goes on forever. Generation Z is the future fan base. Marketers find Gen Z has less loyalty compared to previous generations (result: they won't invest in a losing record). But Gen Z will invest in a good value (meaning a winning record) The ticket buying fan base will be reduced by aging. Buffalo has the third oldest population in the country Much of the fan base is leaving WNY If the Bills win = the future WNY fans will support them If they lose = they won't be supported as well as they are today...and the NFL pressure will be on for some kind of change On the flip side. I don't see any other city that would be better than Buffalo. I think the two teams in LA will be a fail.

That's a bet I want to lose.

Keep wishing that. I agree with you for the next year or so.. then all bets are off.

On reflection, I disagree with the very first sentence "Anyone under the delusion that greed doesn’t rule the NFL needs to check the communal psyche in St. Louis.." I believe egoism and vanity ride in the first seat of owners motivation. Though, I can see profit desire in the back seat. Also, there's a difference between greed and wanting to be a sustainable business. Hard to explain in this union town.

..is the Don Esmonde lede I agree with most of what he says at http://www.buffalonews.com/columns/donn-esmonde/nfl-abandonment-of-st-louis-ups-the-ante-in-buffalo-20160123 Including the open ended statement: "Buffalo will thankfully be spared St. Louis’ fate. But in the game of stadium checkers, the pressure is on to keep up with the Kroenkes." I think the current pressure to move is "low" ... but if the Bills lose the next two seasons, the pressure is a red hot blowout to move. Opinion.

With your caveat of "state chipping in for some infrastructure" ...and... some property tax relief: yes, I could see Pegs buying his own barn. The Q is: will the city/county/state want to build/own and then rent out a downtown stadium? or give sweeteners (infrastructure, tax breaks) to private development of a downtown stadium the county/state upgrade the Ralph, Bills stay the Bills stay... not minding the Rock Pile Ralph and give the NFL the middle finger the Bills leave, wanting a better stadium In order: I like 3, 2, 1, 4 and find 5 unacceptable. Someone should poll this. Are you Richie Rich, or the Local 210 (a benefactor of new stadium construction)? For me, low property taxes, low parking, low tickets... that sounds good to me. This is not DC, Dallas, NE.. where Daddy Big Bucks dominates the market to pay for the so called "great fan experience."

One of two things will happen: The Bills won't meet his high market value because they have other higher priority needs to allocate cash to Or, the CB stock market will crash; Gilmore can't get the big deal and stays in Bflo for a more rationale contract It will be the first one. He's gone next year. And the Bills will live. I think this is sarcasm. But just in case it's not: It's not about whose money it is. It's about spreading your salary cap around in a multi-year plan so as to not screw yourself.

Kathryn Smith is easy on the eyes. http://www.betus.com.pa/miss-betus/paradise-2006/kathryn-smith/pictures/01.html

A food truck lot!

No treatise. It could be a belinda. But Belinda was so long ago, I forgot what it meant.

Well.. yes and no. Pegs just wants to win and fill the stands and have a positive cash flow... including the TV contract. The NFL can wish whatever they want--screw them and they aren't everything else. If they were 'everything else' they would have had a team in LA 10 years ago.

Concur! And I pray to be here in 2025.

No. Think about it from the point of view of an HR Department (a good one) hiring people. Pulling numbers from posterior for discussion sake: there are 2000 college football players. Only 200 will make the NFL. The difference between 2000 and 200 populations: physical characteristics (speed, strength etc..) and football smarts. So the NFL is getting a much more highly skilled workforce than the colleges. Therefore, these highly skilled employees are used in a different manner. It's like comparing fast food to gourmet. (no offense intended to college football, because I like it also) This.

Yep. Related: Go to google images and search "Pontiac Silver Dome." After the Lions moved to Ford field, the Silver Dome became a money pit albatross for Pontiac MI. The Ralph would be also.

They're like the ones at Niagara Falls where you stick the quarter for five minutes of viewing. JJ.. what cheap SOB.

The Ralph is paid for. I ran the numbers. A low estimate for the LA stadium is 1.4 billion. I used a mortgage calculator (I know not the best tool for this but it's all I had): 1.4 billion 3.92% interest 20 years Monthly payment came out to 8.4 million In the unlikely event that 8.4 mil can be found, I'd rather it be spent on something else. I don't see a new stadium.** They couldn't build a signature Peace Bridge because environmentalist said "endangered birds" will fly into the suspension wires and die. They couldn't even agree to a non-signature bridge. ** unless Pegs built it on his own, I think that is unlikely