YattaOkasan
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46 minutes ago, Logic said:
For the 10th time in this thread, I say: pushing/pulling teammates, the way it's being done right now, has NOT always been a part of football.
Aiding a runner like it's done now was made legal in 2005. For decades before that, it was not legal.
Go back and watch games from the 80s, 90s, and early 2000s. You don't see this stuff.Pulling is currently illegal. I dont know that they are calling it (distinctly remember open field pulling of an Eagles runner that didnt get called), but pulling is not allowed where as the pushing is considered legal.
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Is there any data to support that this type of play is less safe. Or is it just anecdotes from a bygone era? If the rule was changed in 2005 I would think we have sufficient data.
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1 minute ago, ALLEN1QB said:
Is he that much better than what we have
As a pass blocker he might be. I think thats a dimension we need from cook that I worry about.
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All about what they gave away but good move. Does this mean beane is stock up?
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8 hours ago, BillsVet said:
When has loading up on defense been proven as a reliable strategy in the playoffs to stop a very good or better offense?
The Bills have beaten KC in the regular season twice in a row. A solid pass rush helps, but a team that sits tight at the deadline with SB aspirations makes me wonder.
Not saying we should load up on defense. I agree with you we are good there.
Will always take a weapon on offense for the right cost. Ultimately I trust Beane so if we sit tight I feel really good with the roster we have.
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8 minutes ago, BillsVet said:
Really doesn't matter what it says about underperformers. Chiefs paid a price to acquire a guy they think will flourish in that scheme. Kelce, Juju, Scantling, and Toney is a lot for any defense to matchup against. As for the offensive investment, Reid has the pull in that organization like McD does at OBD. They build their teams based on the favored side of the ball.
Those 4 players dont really scare me more than what they had when we played in week 5. We played the 3-2-6 with Siran Neal and were fine with Hardman in for Toney. I think we can still run that defense and have success running 2 man or cover 1 lurk. Beyond that I think with Tre back we can replace Siran with Benford as the 6th DB. I think were too good in nickel and dime and people are gonna really need to be clever to get us out of those personnel packages.
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3 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:
I responded to your premature victory lap of a take that the OL had so clearly improved over the one they finished last season with. Funny that prior to Sunday it was universally held as the teams biggest weakness. Your focus is pass blocking stats because by the same metrics that made them one of the better pass blocking units they were the worst run blocking unit this season.............so that doesn't fit your narrative.
You can do a bad job as an individual blocker..........see Rodger Saffold...........but if the QB gets the ball out quick or vacates the pocket before it can impact the stat sheet as a team gaffe then it doesn't register statistically. What I am saying is Allen is playing at that level where he makes the OL look better than the actual sum of its parts on a given play. He's not playing like vintage Dan Marino getting sacked only 6 times in 600 pass attempts while living exclusively in the pocket...........but he's instead using all of his athleticism in addition to the improved pocket presence to prevent negative plays behind the LOS.
Personally I think they were weaker at two spots on the OL.........both guards. Bates hasn't been as good on the right and Saffold has been pretty awful. Where they are stronger is with improved health at Center and the tackle spots. Dawkins is healthy after a twice covid stricken 2021 and Brown and Quessenberry are basically interchangeable as good run blockers with a very similar propensity for whiffs in pass pro.
So much stuff. During off-season I was very explicit that we would be much better than what we were ALL season. I fought the position by position comparison of the end of the season while talking season long stats. For this discussion I’ve clearly focused on pass pro after some ambiguity in my first post.
I think you’re wrong assigning all the pass pro improvement to Allen. He has helped them but he’s not number 1 in time to release so their ability to be number 1 in pressure rate is a sign of improvement.
Morse has not had good health with an elbow injury compared to last year so I don’t understand that argument. And you were pretty neg on Quessenberry this off-season so not sure why you say RT is better if him and brown are interchangeable.
you say so many nonsensical things. I’m still laughing at blitz rate being a sign that our pass pro is viewed as weak.
I’ve heard your arguments. Data and logic suggests you’re wrong.
go bills
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1 minute ago, BADOLBILZ said:
Yeah cherry picking.
They were also BY FAR the worst run block win-rate team in the NFL coming into the Chiefs game.
So to say they have been a notably improved OL statistically is a highly subjective opinion.
The reality is that Allen is playing at a different level this season.........he's getting the ball out much quicker and creating more separation from the rushers that are getting thru with an improved presence/awareness of the rush. There has also been a more concerted effort to contain Allen in the pocket, encouraging him to make short, low trajectory throws and knock those passes down. Couple that with red zone issues caused mostly by pressure/penetration, and the turnovers, and you have a 17 point offensive performance and two low 20 point performances.
Conversely, the OL was getting judged far too harshly in the run game, IMO. And they proved me right last Sunday when they were put in better position to do the job on the ground and did it.
lol at STILL calling it cherry picking, i literally did every pass rush metric. How is using ALL the data cherry picking.
i have focused entirely on pass pro so not sure what your 2nd and third lines are saying
Agree Allen is playing at a different level. So is Tremaine (I know your favorite). For both I think the play of the line in front of them is part of the story.
From you I think this is as much of an agreement as I'll get when your priors are not immediately confirmed.
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37 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:
I wouldn't say that the OL is pass blocking great.......you are cherry picking just one stat with pressures. Teams are telling the Bills what they think of their pass pro by blitzing Allen more than ever.........with a lot more success than expected after he basically carved up the blitz last year. They've also struggled with instant pressure in the red zone. After the McKenzie 4th down flop in the end zone Sunday they had scored a TD only once in 9 previous trips to the red zone. That's terrible. Pressures and sacks can largely be controlled by a great QB and OC being in tune...........and Allen is in the zone this season for sure.........I think to suggest that they are pass blocking great though is not the case, IMO.
Lol at cherry picking. Would you like me to cherry pick sack % (3rd), hurry % (6th), or hit % (5th)? They are top 10 in ALL metrics, hardly cherry picking.
Blitzing: I dont understand your logic here. It seems to be that cause teams think we are not great at pass pro we are getting blitzed more (true on more blitzing), but you dont disagree that the blitzing is NOT leading to pressures (or literally any other stat). So I dont understand your point. If anything it proves my point that were good at pass pro cause even though they are sending extra more often STILL all the pass pro metrics are good. Lastly on this topic, I think teams are blitzing cause they have realized they can't sit back and play coverage. Do you think KC blitzed caused they thought the OL couldnt block? If so then why didnt they do that from the start of the game. Rather, Allen was slicing and dicing them when they played coverage so I think they decided to throw the kitchen sink at him.
Agree we have red zone struggles (and would agree if you think its likely cause of poor run blocking). But what does instant pressure mean and how do you track it? You seemingly just made this up. As I said, we are poor in the red zone, but you fail to tie this to pass pro in any meaningful way other than "instant pressure."
I get you dont think the pass blocking is great. But to this point you have provided no evidence (other than a subjective grade of one player), while I have refuted all of your challenges to my assertion. Im not saying everything is great with our team, but focus on something that is truly a problem please.
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37 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:
It's true that he has not been sidelined with injury and that was a concern with him replacing Williams who missed no snaps in 19 games in 2022.
But Saffold has been individually awful.........one of the worst graded starters in the league.
He seemed to take a modest step forward against KC IMO but let's remember that the standard for the Bills OL isn't the horrible Cody Ford infested OL of last season..........it's the one that finished the season last year playing excellent all around with Bates in the lineup and Williams as starters.
This Bills OL is getting good pass pro numbers but horrendous run block numbers. Realistically they are somewhere in between both of those, IMO. Allen has taken his game to another level with regard to pocket awareness and is getting the ball out quicker to make the pass pro seem better.........while until last game..........they have played a style of offense that makes their OL look much worse at run blocking than they really are.
Who's grading? Again pressure stats are saying awful is just not true (still assuming you agree OL is only as strong as weakest link). I am comparing to last years numbers so for the moment my standard is overall play last year. I can pull the individual games from last year from pro football reference in a bit.
I agree getting ball out quicker is helping. But lol the pressure rate is half what it was last year. I dont think a change in pocket time from 2.4 to 2.3 would have that much of an affect (some teams with the same pkt time as Bills have double the pressure rate), though there seems to be a correlation between pressure rate and pkt time. Dont have time to throw metrics handy for allen but believes hes about average.
Agree pin and pull is running style we need to employ, and the run blocking is not good enough. But for me pass pro >>>> run blocking.
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29 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:
Saffold has been pretty terrible this season.
So terrible that we have the lowest pressure rate? OL is consistently something thats described as only as strong as your weakest link. Unless you disagree with that hes been fine. I think your specific concerns for him coming into the season were injuries? I think you have to agree those have not been realized.
From my perspective he hasnt been as good in the run game as I would have expected, but I think hes been much better than expected in the pass game.
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38 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said:
Legit question.
It was a bit mysterious that he had an excellent 2020 season at tackle, to the point the team gave him a 3 year contract.
Then he played poorly at tackle in 2021 but still salvaged the season by playing deccently at guard.
I have two theories... the Bills were unhappy with his physical condition after he signed the new contract and/or Aaron Kromer doesn't view him as a system fit.
I thought he was not great at guard last year. Conversely I am very happy with pass pro to this point. Bills have the lowest pressure rate in the NFL (link below). Just awesome. I got grief before the season for saying the OL would be much better. That poster then tried to say that Saffold was at best a wash for Williams. Pretty happy with how that has turned out.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2022/advanced.htm
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3 minutes ago, HereComesTheReignAgain said:
Nope, I mean move him to primarily a slot receiver, like the person that I was responding to stated. I don't think you change Diggs' current role.
I think what some folks are saying is they did move him to play in the slot more already this year. Hes done good and i agree with you wouldnt make him a primary slot or slot only. But Im fine that hes getting more slot run.
As for Shakir, I agree with poster up thread that said Shakir for zone and Mck for man.
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4 hours ago, Big Turk said:
Neal was a beast when he got in the Steelers game...didn't notice him as much in this game.
He had two defensive holding penalties. I also think he had some trouble in coverage. Agree he was fine in the Steelers game which may have given them confidence to run this defense, but I think Benford is a better coverage player (and overall defender) so is better for this defense.
4 hours ago, Beck Water said:I'll say this, from watching the video. Frazier's defense was not possible only because of Von Miller.
In signing DaQuan Jones, the Bills essentially signed a guy who could play nose tackle if asked - a guy who actually can and will engage 2 blockers consistently.
And I don't think this notion works without him.
Agree DaQuan is just awesome this year and he is critical. I think it puts a lot of stress on DL to get pressure (otherwise coverage will breakdown eventually). Thats probably why we havent seen it in past years.
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Love the 3-2-6. It’ll be weapon in obvious passing downs with mobileQBs. My only concern is Neal as the 6th DB. I think this role goes to Benford when Tre works back in. Dane will be back up to Elam and White on the outside as Benford offers a bit more physicality from the slot area.
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2 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:
I think we have a troll Behind enemy linesAgree. Was trying to figure out from where. I think from Miami. Gave us a lot of flack for saying the heat is advantage, but Minnesota won. I assume hes frustrated they have lost 3 in a row and came on here to troll.
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6 minutes ago, Chaos said:
Who was better Dan Marino or Joe Flacco ?
Agree that’s a team stat
also agree with thoughts upthread that there are some things each does a little better than the other. One that’s not mentioned for Josh is that he’s a better deep ball thrower. The improvement in that part of his game has been so important. Mahomes missed throws yesterday going over the defenses head. Hard to picture josh doing that this year.
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5 minutes ago, extrahammer said:
I do believe Diggs is better than Kupp.
Diggs is getting those free releases in the slot this year and unshockingly hes getting more production. That he has produced so much while being almost exclusively on the outside the past two years is amazing.
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Whos gonna meet Poyer when he drives in today? That dude is awesome.
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56 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:
Ford sucking so bad has set the OL back a few years and forced them to pay out too much in FA.
Next draft needs to address OL early and multiple picks. Thats only possible if they bring back Edmunds,Poyer, and if they feel Hamlin can play safety long term. Otherwise it will be defense again.
What? Who did we pay? Saffold? Dawkins and Brown and Bates are all in house peeps on reasonable or rookie deals. Quessenberry got not much. Morse predates Ford.
Are we still in that set back period? I think OL has been good to great in pass pro.
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1 hour ago, Beck Water said:
https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/charts/player/season/josh-allen/ALL529264/2022/5/pass
We saw a lot of this sort of chart in the first half of 2020. Chris Simms quipped it was the "Josh Allen Laser Light Show". Then it largely disappeared last season - whether because Emmanual Sanders really couldn't fill the "John Brown Speedster" role, or because teams decided to transition to a rush 4/2 high safety/flood the middle look.
Compare and contrast to the last 2 weeks
https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/charts/player/josh-allen/ALL529264
In addition to winning the game, I think Dorsey wanted to make it clear to KC that they'd best worry about the deep pass.
I think the laser light show suffered from teams going 2 high against us. Early on in 2020 peeps were still playing man.
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11 minutes ago, Da webster guy said:
Can't judge interior linemen on single plays like that. Blocking assignments can be complex and we aren't privy to what was called there.
The real test is coming this sunday in KC. If Chiefs Dline can get push up the middle it ends up being a tough go for Josh because he starts to bail out earlier as the game goes on, and when that happens he starts taking more shots. I like Dorsey over Daboll because I feel like he's more sensitive to Josh's well being with the calls after we have a decent lead.
Gonna need to have a big day from the boys in the trenches, we'll see what we're made of....
Agree on Dorsey. Feel as if he has schemed to neutralize the likes of Donald, Simmons, and Heyward. All three of them are forces up the middle getting after the QB. Quick game is the perfect scheme to neutralize those type of players.
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Is there a problem with Pass Pro? I think its been good to great. Light years ahead of where it was last year at this time. Could things be a bit better? Yes. Should we make a high investment? Yes. But I feel better that Josh is not just running for his life like he did in the early part of last year.
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2 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:
There is a limit to how many times you can call up a player I believe. Once the limit is reached they can only sign to the active roster.
Twice is the limit I believe (unless changed from last year)
I’m kind of Over the Hines Experiment
in The Stadium Wall
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Agreed. Would also add practice as joe Marino has mentioned. Came before the jets game so not much there as he learns playbook, no reps with josh before Vikings game, crazy short blizzard/flu week before browns, short week before lions. Before pats game was his first normal week with the team. I agree his numbers haven’t been where I want them but in context of how much time on task he has had I am still hopeful for growth.