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    Keep Haack as Holding Specialist (EDIT: Goodnight Sweet Prince)

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    3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

    Not sure if already brought up but maybe he have Haack the reps yesterday because they think they can get a pick for him before final cut downs 

    Great point. I thought it was just a courtesy they were doing for haack. You teach the rook how to hold and we let you take all the preseason punts. They have been known to do right by players but I like this idea as well

    Keep Haack as Holding Specialist (EDIT: Goodnight Sweet Prince)

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    35 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said:

    By keeping Haack, not only are we assuring consistent ball placement for Bass in all kinds of weather, but the kicking room currently has great chemistry (the three of them work well together during kicking meetings). Why cut Haack when some other big bodied dufus will never see the field?

    I just like up thread where you say it

    could net us 24-27 points.  I don’t think bass misses 8 FG all season so that number is off. We might need that big doofus in case another doofus gets injured.  To save maybe 12-15 points on the high side (he missed 6 FG and 2 XP with Bojo as his holder and 4 FG with Haack). 

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    1 hour ago, ScottLaw said:

    They are 1 or 2 in which categories?

     

    They were dead last in YAC last season…. And Diggs is great, these rankings are about the WR group as a whole and after Diggs it’s basically Davis potential and a whole bunch of “we’ll see”. 

    As stated a million times, It’s a good roster… the defense has no reason not to be great, they are stacked everywhere and have terrific depth… the question is offensively as Josh carries them way too often, and if injuries hit the lack of depth will hurt them.

    Specifically they have lead the league in total targets in 2020 and 2021 which have lead to number 1 or 2 in Total yards completions And TDs for that time span.  Basically all the total volume stats. 
     

    can’t find a good data source for the rec, TDS, yards but have heard Marino say at least once. The link below shows the total targets by year. So you’re right we are like dead last at RAC (even in 2020, that’s def a real thing) but the passing offense runs through the WRs still. It’s our fastball and it puts up big numbers. Either josh is clear number 1 in the list or this room is at least top 10 cause our RBs and TEs don’t do much (Knox catches Tds and converts big moments) from a raw stats perspective. 
     

    I really think you don’t understand how good diggs is. Who is better on the boundary? I don’t know that anyone has been more productive in the last two years on the outside than him. Diggs being the best boundary pushes them to the top 10. I get it’s about the room but the alpha gets weighted more cause he does more. You don’t weight everyone in the room equally. In this analysis you should weight WR1 > WR3 + 4. So from that perspective top 10 basically is if we think Gabe Davis can not have his efficiency crater with double the targets and become a top 25 WR.  Do you think he won’t be too 25?

    i addressed your comment on unknown pieces. Do you not agree we put up top numbers in the league production wise?  We ain’t replacing anything special I think you agree there?  So that’s the answer to why peeps think it’s a top 10 unit. We get some of the most production in the league the past two years and there is no reason to think it won’t continue cause we didn’t lose much and have the best boundary WR in the game. 

     

    https://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/reports/targets-distribution/?year=2021&start=1&end=18

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    1 hour ago, ScottLaw said:

    Yea… really confused why people think the WR group as is is a top 10/5 group. 

    Production the past two years is why. They are top 1 or 2 in most categories. Yeah they have unproven pieces but it’s not as if Beas and sanders are irreplaceable.
     

    I know you didn’t mention it about diggs but it’s laughable to say he’s barely top 10. He has more production from the outside than almost any other receiver. He doesn’t get easy yards from playing in the slot like some of the other top guys. 

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    3 hours ago, Watkins101 said:

     

     

    I think I agree with @ScottLaw on this one. I think Allen makes it so our WRs will have the production of a top 10 group, and Im pretty confident about that. However, I dont think that is due to our recievers group being the best in the league, I think they are likely somewhere in the 9-15 range. Look at Diggs stats going from Minnesota to Buffalo. His career year was 1,130 yards and had gotten to 1000 yards 2 of his 5 seasons. He comes to the bills and starts playing with Josh Allen and those stats take a big jump. I think with any top 20 WR, Allen would be throwing for 1200+ yards to them. Diggs and Davis may both hit the 1,000 mark, but if you had an average QB throwing to them instead (think Mac Jones) maybe Diggs hits 1,000, but doubt Gabe would. 

    Lol. Josh makes them top 5 in production not just top 10. In the past two seasons our WR room has produced pretty much more than any other team. So unless we think sanders and Beasley were that critical to our passing game (think playoffs show otherwise) our WR room is easily top 10 and the production will be top 5 which will be a drop off from previous years. 

    Preseason week 2: Broncos at Bills

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    7 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:


    I really liked him, he was consistently collapsing the pocket.  He went to Syracuse right?  Depending on his injury, we could keep him on the roster.

    Von, Rousseau, Boogie, AJ, Shaq  and then if we keep 6 it's either Mike Love or Kingsley.  But PS at least for sure

    6?  Woah. I’m good with shaq on the PS honestly. Don’t think he would get picked up anywhere else. Call him up from PS for the couple of times we want extra emphasis on setting the edge. 

    Preseason week 2: Broncos at Bills

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    9 hours ago, arcane said:

    FWIW, the Bengals also rested starters in that game he won, and it was some of the most atrocious football I watched all year. Did not come away from that game thinking Keenum would win a real game against a real team lol

    yeah saw that (you saw Keenum started and beat the Broncos too? you seemed to indicate he only won one game) which is why i included their stats to date particularly Barkley's recent experience.  Keenum has only had one year with more ints than TDs whereas Barkley only has one year with more Tds than int (both entered the league in 2013).  Overall 78 TD : 48 INT >>>> 11 TD : 22 INT, and thats why i think its sorta laughable to say that Keenum would only win us one more game (again I dont think Barkley even beats Bengals resting their starters), if any.  I dont think Barkley would win any games and Keenum has a good shot to go better than 0.500.

    Should Bills players go on podcasts and break down plays and even their own MO in detail?

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    5 hours ago, StHustle said:

     

    I legitimately want opinions...but when 10 replies pour in minutes after my post, it was obvious the video wasn't watched therefore a general response saying "nothing to worry about here" isn't gonna be accepted with open arms. The guy was on there telling which formations are dynamic and which are static and what they are taught to do based on which coverage...like c'mon man we have a new coordinator trying to get things going...don't go teach people what he's teaching you! And stop telling defenders what you look for pre snap and what your reaction is based on a certain look. Giving the opponent any little edge for the sake of a podcast appearance is irresponsible AF.

    To the point of coordinators and teaching things. Many coaches host/attend clinics where they talk about what they teach.  Many players attend summits and practices together. Heck players change teams all the time. It’s not difficult to know what’s being taught. It’s been discussed that’s how BB grew Brady. He explained to Tom what the coaches were teaching their defenders. This point is to say there is so much sharing now a days that it’s not too difficult to find out what’s being taught. Heck cover 1 has video of Kromer at a clinic talking about incognito and Bobby Johnson talking about Bates.  This info is out there already 

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    Preseason week 2: Broncos at Bills

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    5 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said:

    Keenum, Barkley, whatever. 
    Heaven forbid, Josh misses 8+ games or the playoffs: season over. 
    Josh misses 4-6 games: Keenum might, possibly, under the best case scenario, get you one more win than Barkley would. Maybe that turns out to be critical in playoff seeding. 
    Most likely: no difference at all. If money isn’t critical right now, keep Keenum. If someone else goes down in camp and you need the money to fill a hole, dump him. 

    Disagree strongly. Keenum got 2 wins with the browns last year.  I don’t think Barkley gets them any wins. Barkley has had one good game since 2018 against the Jets.  You might not like what you’ve seen from keenum so far but he has done much more than Barkley to this point. 
     

    https://stathead.com/tiny/WmGHY

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    Preseason week 2: Broncos at Bills

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    1 minute ago, muppy said:

    Live preseason game data this season is one game. I'm not quibbling with your point just clarifying mine.

     

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    No sweat. Ton of hot takes around and I probably missed what you were trying to say.  There will be a surprise with regards to the roster. Question is sorta where.

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    Preseason week 2: Broncos at Bills

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    7 hours ago, muppy said:

    we can only judge the data as it has been presented to us which so far is One game. He'll get his future chances. The Bills would be fools to vet this situation so quickly and they aren't fools. In the end I have to trust their judgments.

    Lol at the data is only one game. As if their careers to this point didn’t exist. Or that they don’t have contracts. Or that there isn’t a depth chart.  Keenum is better. Yeah he doesn’t know the offense well but he has the rest of preseason and presumably part of the regular season to learn. Barkley will be QB3 from the PS. By far the least interesting room (in terms of roster battles) on the team. 

    So much talent

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    19 hours ago, Buffalo03 said:

    There is literally no one worth it that's available. Keenum, from what I have seen from him in the past, is not bad. The guy basically lead the vikings to the NFC championship game in his one year there and had the best year of his career. But in the free agency pool, the only player I would even consider is calling Fitz and seeing if he wants to come out of retirement. Because that's seriously all that's out there

    He got the browns by when he had to start two games last year.
     

    That’s all you can ask of a backup. Get me through a couple of games. If he has to salvage a season he would probably be a starter somewhere else. 

    Training Camp practice 8/10

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    3 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

     

     

    By the same token Levi is a better NFL CB than a number of players drafted in the early rounds since his selection.

     

    Elam has the physical measurables to be a very good CB but it's also not like he was a "great" prospect.........he just had some 1st or 2nd round traits.    Not all of them by any means.

     

    I'm not comparing him apples-to-apples with Shaq Lawson in terms of 1st round measurables for his position coming out but there was a little "this guy fits a need and could be an off-the-bus starter" just like Shaq IMO..........and perhaps a willingness to overlook some weaknesses(like Shaq) that they might have scored harder against him if they didn't see it as such a high priority need(which I don't believe it necessarily was).  

    Would say Elam was more of a need as we had to be concerned we only had backup quality at the position (Rex at least had Hughes). 

     

    But I also trust this FO to make moves to fill needs more than the Whaley FO. I suspect they felt comfortable being able to get him the whole time. 

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    58 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

     

    I think one of the best points I heard made about why Elam was the pick is that as much as we love Tre, Poyer, Hyde and Taron Johnson, none of them are athletic freaks by NFL standards. I think they are arguably the best DB group in the league, but that's because they are masters of techique, instincts and have found there place in a defensive scheme that maximizes them. To defend a Tyreek Hill, everything needs to go perfectly.

     

    One wrong angle, and 13 seconds was enough time to wreck us.

     

    Ideally, Elam can grow into that role, to be the one who can jam ultra speedy/big receivers instead of finessing it.

    I would also say you cant pay all of them forever.  I believe Tre's contract is up in about 4 years so is also good to have his contract ending when were looking to pay Elam.  I think the plan makes a lot of sense to maintain an elite pass D

    37 minutes ago, Udubalum07 said:

    You can see Josh working on ball placement with that throw. Up and away so he could box out a defensive back so they wouldn't have a chance.

    I also like how quick he gets it out.  Don't think he really gets the laces much.  One little rotation to feel it a bit better but gets it out of his hand ASAP.  lets Gabe really get a good look at it while he has some space to work with.

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    Training Camp practice 8/8

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    4 hours ago, Mattymafia said:

    The reason I could see Hodgins making the team is after looking at the depth chart. There are basically no outside receivers after Diggs and Davis. Kumerow doesn’t really provide much, everyone else is relatively small. 

    Hasn’t he struggled with press coverage?  That would make him less viable on the outside. I think I like shakirs release package more. 

    Saffold activated from NFI list

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    14 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

    Fortunately he was in team drills yesterday. It’s unfortunate that he missed so much time because he needs the practice but the good thing is he had the surgery and McDermott says they are being cautious with easing him back in.

    I don’t think fortune has anything to do with 3 starting OL that were nicked up coming back at the same time. Heck even dion got some time already.
     

    I think 1 week before preseason game 1 was a date to get peeps back. I think they wanted to give anyone with a boo-boo a bit of time with training staff before being full go. It makes sense and would bet its part of load management. 

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    Training Camp practice 8/7

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    Just now, NewEra said:

    Not a prohaska fan.  Not because of his takes, rather his voice, delivery.  Super homer too.  Turner is a gem and glad he took Kendall from fanatics.  
     

    quinn just irks me.  

    Different strokes for different folks.
     

    I would say ant isn’t so much a homer as only focusing on the positive. A homer sorta convinces themselves it’ll always be the best situation. 

     

    quinn does rub some peeps the wrong way but I’m ok with him. Like I said I listen for content and I like the warm takes 

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