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YattaOkasan

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  1. 2 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

    Brown so far is at best an average RT.  He still has much to prove to get a second deal.  Injuries have held him back no doubt.  He has gotten better. But if he had a 10 and that is supposed to mean something, how does he last until the fourth round and still struggle moving his feet in pass protection? 

     

    Oliver is a good to very good DT with zero pro bowls and no where near a top 10 draft pick talent.  He is not really elite at anything - size, speed, or strength, and has been injured a fair amount.  He makes a handful of plays and can dominate at times.  He lacks consistency and again has no physical trait that is elite.  

     

    Knox is the most physically gifted TE the Bills have ever had but that is a bit back-handed as the Bills have had the worst collective history of TEs in the league.  Not a single ProBowl player since the merger.  He is one of my favorite players, but either due to injury or lack of consistency he wasn't even good enough to keep Beane from drafting a TE to replace him. 

    Yeah but that’s not their physical gifts which is what you said you couldn’t see. You’re right if your point is that they haven’t been elite players.  But it’s not cause they aren’t  physically gifted (as you said it’s mostly injuries). 
     

    Also Oliver’s speed is elite (are you disagreeing with RAS?). His score is mostly hurt by his size. His burst is great and it shows in an elite pass rush win rate now that he’s started to figure out the hand fighting. 

     

    so they have definitely swung on many trait players (heck buffalo joe).  Hoping we see a couple hit this year and it forms the core for second window. 

  2. 22 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

    Outside of Allen I can't make a good argument for another player that is supremely physically gifted on this roster.  Beane and McD have built a roster of scheme specific role players with very few that can win individual match-ups.  Even worse with the exception of Kincaid and Cook most of the next tier guys are on defense - Oliver, Rousseau, Johnson, Douglas, and the corpses of Milano and Miller.  

    In almost every case save Herbert in LA, the other top tier QBs have at least one and sometimes more than one top end talent. 

    As always our only hope is Allen, but he is going to need Brady to scheme some easier throws and build a consistent ground game outside of Allen scrambling.  

    Spencer Brown has 10 for RAS maybe try looking if you can’t name another supremely gifted player. Literally the most athletic tackle ever. 
     

    cole bishop at 9.8+ (though no agility testing). 
     

    ed Oliver 9.88

     

    knox 9.23 for more offense 

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  3. 7 minutes ago, strive_for_five_guy said:


    Just going to have Elam ride the pine another season though?  Given Beane has traded the likes of Sammy Watkins or Ronald Darby away, wouldn’t shock me if he does the same with Elam to at least get some kind of pick in return.  Don’t know that the rest of our DB room has much trade value, but we seem to have a pretty deep CB room and I don’t know how much better Elam is versus the rest of the backups.

    Ride the pine for another season?  Dude played in 13 games in 2022 and 3 more in 2023.  Most importantly he has played in 3 playoff games with 2 INT and 3 PBU.  I dont see that as riding the pine.  Lastly Watkins and Darby were not Beane picks so he moved on from the quicker.  Basham would be the better example imo but I think Elam has shown significantly more upside than Basham at a similar point in their careers.  

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  4. 6 minutes ago, MJS said:

    I can't remember the Jets ever winning the East, but I'm sure they have at least once or twice. I bet the Colts have more wins from when they were in the East.

    I think its like 2 for colts versus 1 for jets.  so my answer is 5th!

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  5. 50 minutes ago, pi2000 said:

    Put 3 returners back there, spread them out, then all 3 fake catching the ball and running up field.     Should open up some lanes.   Maybe sprlnkle in a fake lateral here and there to keep them on their toes.

    You can only have 2 returners in the formation.  Since nobody moves until the ball is caught not sure what fake catching will add as players can literally watch the ball with no issue.  I do like the idea of a 3rd "returner" that looks like a blocker and sweeps around.  There is for sure gonna be some fun wrinkles.  

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  6. 9 minutes ago, Capco said:

    So... does the NFL want more kick returns and fewer touchbacks with these new rules?

    I thought they wanted to minimize returns as much as possible for safety reasons since both teams are running full speed into each other.  

    Yes NFL desires more returns with the new rules.  Because players line up closer to each other the new return is expected to be safer (less high speed collisions) than the previous ones.  So now returns are good again.

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  7. 15 minutes ago, Blackbeard said:

    Anyone worried that none of our receivers will be doubled, and that leaves an extra defender possibly coming after Josh?

     

    Dissuade my worries please.

    Extra defender coming means cover 0.  If this tweet doesnt dissuade your worries then your BBFS runs deep.

     

     

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  8. 14 hours ago, GASabresIUFan said:

    Lol. The guy caught 81.5% of his targets last year and lost 1 fumble.  

    He most definitely lost 2 fumbles, and both lead to points in close games.  Both were fumbles just outside the red zone that led to points.  First in the Denver game and then second in the Chargers game.  The second one was costly cause it allowed them to take a 4th quarter lead late into the game.  Those are pretty costly fumbles.  I do think these things are correctable but they have super tough to watch.

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  9. 1 minute ago, 90sBills said:


    He’s listed as 5’8 165 so not sure how much thicker that is. Regardless most comments in this thread already determined he’s a bust based on that one play. 

    Worthy is listed as 5'11" 165 so i would say considerably thicker.  Being overly simplistic Dell is 2.43 lbs per inch and Worthy is 2.32 lbs per inch.  Dell is almost 5% more dense.  For additional comparison Coleman is 2.84 lbs per inch.  

  10. 2 hours ago, NewEra said:

    Other “WRs” have- yes.  That wasn’t your original statement that I replied to.  How many 4.2 WRs have played with Mahomes and Reid?
     

    I also don’t think that he has to become the 2nd 4.2 WR to have a 1000 yard season to not be a bust-  win a Super Bowl after making a few big plays along the way

    Tyreek is the real outlier in terms of mahomes success and speed.  Mecole Hardman would be the 3rd fastest (Tyreek obviously great and Worthy a ?) at 4.33 and he really didnt do much.  Sky moore as 4.41 has really done much. Toney hasnt done much with his time either.  Byron pringle was 4.46.  He got a bit of juice out of watkins but thats pretty far down the list now.  

     

    rashee rice 4.51 has had more success than all those burners.  juju got a big contract after playing with mahomes and he aint a burner.  Kelce is a burner for TE but is another big body weapon.  Mahomes really seems to get more out of bigger weapons, probably a reason why they have gone to heavier sets.

     

    I do agree he doesnt need to have a 1000 yard season to not be a bust. 

  11. 4 hours ago, NewEra said:

    Poor choice of word on my part saying he took RG from the start.  He wasn’t named starter til later on but Torrance played with the 1st team in each of the preseason games.  Once he was in there with the starters, he was never taken out and replaced by Bates.  The only “battle part was waiting for McD to name him starter.  I recall being very confidant he’d start late august.  

     

    Bernard was in year 2. 

    I highlighted bernard more for the fact that he didnt compete in the MLB competition cause of injury and he won it still.  So Bishop missing extended time and still winning wouldn't be unprecedented. 

     

    I dont think the injury erases all chances he starts for reasons above but it does significant lower his chances.  Seems to be asking a lot for him to be a rookie in a competition (Torrence) and be hurt (Bernard) and then still win.  If it was one then fine but both working out is a lot which i think is your overall point.  

    2 minutes ago, chris heff said:

    Even if he goes on IR, Bishop could be back by October. Of course it depends on the injury.

    To be clear were saying IR after he makes the team right?  If he goes on IR before cut down to 53 i believe hes out for the season.  So we will see the return of the Reid Ferguson BBQ in the parking lot?

  12. 7 hours ago, NewEra said:

    I hear that, but S was one of, if not our biggest question marks going into the season.  He’s our S with the highest value and biggest upside.  Having him for an entire training camp would be very beneficial for speed of his development.  I was really hoping he’d be a starting S out the gate week 1.  Torrance took RG1 from Bates out the gate.  Bates’ OG level of play is to level of S play of Hamlin and Edwards.  
     

    missing time early will probably erase all chances of him starting week 1.  Which is ok…. But I’d have preferred him to be better than the other two from the start. 

    I remember a big battle between bates and Torrance that only became clear late in preseason. Also remember Bernard missing most of TC battle and getting the nod. I don’t know that it erases his chances of starting if they think he’s the best for it. 

  13. 19 minutes ago, DapperCam said:

    It’s possible that Coleman won’t be able to get great separation in the NFL, but if his hands are elite, he’ll make a great living on jump balls and the scramble drill. NFL DBs are smaller than ever.

    The smaller DB line reminded me of Coleman blocking.  OMG its so funny.  If you watch his full game reps (not just targets) youll see this consistently. 

     

    9 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

     

    Hyde was 2x 2nd Team AP (2017, 2021), Poyer was 1st Team AP in 2021.

    Of note they were not All pro last year nor were they even really close with coverage ratings > 100

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  14. Just now, ALLinALLEN said:

    There have been 2 AP seasons between them since 2021. Not bad. McD has said how important the position is and I'm just surprised they are OK with starting Hamlin/Rapp there. 

    Yeah but were not replacing those seasons.  Were replacing last years production.  Which while gutsy was not great (allowing 100+ rating is below average).

     

    We dont know starters yet so would change Hamlin to Hamlin or Edwards or Bishop.  Either way i think the starters can keep QBs below 100 rating (Rapp had his best year last year allowing less than 90).  

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  15. 1 minute ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

    My earlier response sounded harsh, so I apologize for that.

     

    It’s worth keeping an eye on, but nothing to really worry about yet.

     

    I’m more concerned that the only time we hear Douglas’ name all summer is when he’s getting beat for a TD. 

    I dont expect Douglas to replicate last year so while concerning i hear his name only on TDs, my excitement for Elam (who i already had penciled in as 2025 starter almost by necessity) is much greater.

    1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said:

     

    No disrepsect, but its actually a little bit crazy to call it "beating him out" on day 1 of pads when comparing a rookie to a guy who has been here 3 years.  And S is arguably the 3rd most complicated position to learn on this roster behind QB and MLB given how McD uses his safeties.  

     

    It is day 1 of Pads...no one has beaten anyone out.  Hamlin was the incumbent guy ahead of him because he knows the defense, he isn't ahead of Bishop because he has "beaten out" Bishop who is still learning the playbook, language, and system.  Not to mention, Bishop has been getting his own reps with the 1's

    Also for the very first rep youre gonna default to the one with the most experience in any competition.  Damar wouldn't be in the running to start (which he should be casue most of 2022 I thought he was the succession plan) if he wasnt with the ones on day one.  Were people saying the same thing last year with Torrence rotating in?

  16. 2 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

    Joe Marino reporting that MVS once again took no 1st team reps today. Second day in a row of this... It's officially time to have him on the roster bubble.

    We dont save anything if we cut him, and he only costs a new team 1.1 mil (we used void years to spread the rest of the money that was a signing bonus).  Do you think we trade him rather than cut?

  17. 25 minutes ago, ALLinALLEN said:

    I just dont love the situation we're in...wish we had a better plan for Hyde/Poyer leaving when we clearly saw that coming for 2 seasons. 

     

    We are expecting 2 of:

    Rapp 

    Hamlin

    Mike Edwards 

    A rookie 2nd rounder 

     

    To replace 2 all-pro caliber players.

     

    I'm not expecting them to replace 2-all pro players that easily, but since it's been a cornerstone of the McD defense and given how important a role S has in his system, I'm a little concerned where we stand there right now. 

    I'm worried about a 2nd round pick that can't beat out Demar Hamlin for 1st team reps. It's just an observation, wondered if anyone else felt the same and they dont....noted. 

    Poyer and Hyde were all-pro caliber last year?

     

    Both gave up passer ratings above 100 last year.  I think thats very replaceable with what we have. 

     

    Appreciate your insight on how important safety is to McD defense but surprised you havent realized how well he's been able to get good play out of late round picks that didnt seem up to it.

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