GunnerBill

A pass rusher at that age coming off a 2nd ACL tear is not the same as a 28 year old receiver or corner for example coming off an ACL.

Whereas I expect him to have a garbage time touchdown in week 15 after spending all year on a PS and there to be a seriee of "mistake by Beane" threads.

I defend his right to say it too. But I can do that and still object totally to what he said.

Nor am I trying to convince you. What I am saying is the biblical justification for his statement is at best arguable.

Yea I don't buy that. Sorry. Unfortunately we live in an era of extremism and gay people are still being persecuted and indeed killed in many parts of our world by people with similar beliefs. I don't accept that sin exists. Or that it is deadly. Or that there is any biblical justification for him saying pride represents a deadly sin. Or that he needed to refer to it in that manner. He's an idiot. I don't think he should be thrown out of the league or anything. But I don't think there is a defence of his comments.

How do you know he was just talking about transgenderism? Pride represents all LGBT people and he said it was a deadly sin. People wanting to defend him immediately jump to transgender because that is where there are more difficult societal issues to grapple with in relation to a conflict of rights. It is harder to defend if you accept he was on about all groups represented through Pride.

Yea agree would be interesting. Boogie I think was just a flat out misevaluation. My theory is they needed edge badly that year and were talking themselves into guys to take at the end of round 1. They expected Groot to be gone and they were convincing themselves "there are still guys after Groot, Phillips and Paye (conensus top 3 that year) who can play." So they had grades on the 2nd tier edge guys that were artificially inflated because of their need. So when Boogie got to the end of round 2 he looked like he was sticking out, when in reality he shouldn't have been. Elam I think they thought they could take the clay and mould him to their scheme. Ultimately that has failed.

I'd be shocked if the Bills signed him though. Notoriously low effort and doesn't play the run at all. I'd rather get Solomon on the field as a designated rusher on pass downs than go that route.

That prospect doesn't fill me with joy, no. But Ngakoue sucks.

Yep. Totally fair. Beane's strength is strategy and building a good staff and I think those are probably stronger foundational skills for the long term as a GM than being a great scout.

Oh it is more than baffling to me it is totally illogical. But honestly my point isn't to denegrate anyone's faith. I respect totally anyone's belief. My fundamental point is there is no Biblical support for Butker's assertion that homosexuality is a "deadly" sin. And to be honest it is the word deadly I have a particular issue with. Because in a world where people are still being murdered for being gay in many countries (and before anyone says "ah yes but just Muslim countries" think again) I think the use of the word deadly in the waffle he was spouting has pretty dark undertones. If he'd just said sin I'd still think he was wrong, but it would be less triggering.

I am not saying any Christian rejects the bible. But there are Christian denominations who accept that some of the books of the bible are social doctorine of their time not ultimate articles of faith. It doesn't mean that they reject those elements. It just means they interpret them through that lens.

I don't believe in God. I am a total athiest. I make no apologies for that. It is the only logical answer IMO. We are here by utter chance. But, I am also a theologian. As I say I was debating Catholic Priests aged 15. I know more about the Bible than I'd say 75% of Christians. You have to understand something and the various interpretations of it to get to the conclusion I have got to.

Again, a view.... not a universally accepted one.

He builds great staffs. There is zero doubt. Some of that is the Pegulas money too, but Gaine, Shoen, Morgan have already been taken to be GMs off Beane's staff. TG is a definite candidate for jobs too. Beane is not himself an elite talent evaluator, but he knows how to spot and hire one. He is a great builder of a FO staff.

Yes. I agree. I don't dispute that is the central tenant. My point is that not all denominations believe that all the books of the Bible represent that. And to be honest the argument that they do is pretty weak. We know the Pauline epistles are essentially social declarations of the time. Historically, that is pretty hard to argue with.

That is your view. It isn't everyone's view. It is imposing.

I don't. I did reach out to him pre-Combine when I did my survey of people to try and find ranking beyond the top 3 receivers. But he didn't come back. And I have always taken the approach if someone doesn't answer they don't wanna say. In fairness to AJ he always tends to be more open after the event on thinking and reasons why rather than in advance. So I will try.

So we lost a few guys. Most notably AJ Highsmith who was a Senior National Scout and has gone to the Titans as the Director of Scouting. I don't mind saying now he has moved on that AJ was one of my sources within the organisation. Someone I have had a DM level relationship with for a while (pre-dating him being with the Bills). Absolutely top guy and a fantastic talent evaluator. Loss for the Bills but this guy is going to to top. I wish him the very best with Tennessee. He had 3 or 4 teams interested in him. I might be biased but if we move on from McBeane before this guy is a GM he would be my absolute #1 candidate.

With respect, I think that is imposing your belief system on others. There are multiple strands of Christianity and they come at it quite differently.

See I think a lot of what the Catholic Church does is EXACTLY that. It is tradition first and foremost. That is fine. I have no problem with tradition. But when that tradition leads to lecturing on morality.... well morality is not absolute it develops as society does.

Yes it is. Catholicism is full of plenty of other contradictions though. I speak as an avowed athiest who went to Catholic school.

Again disputed among theologians. It is not a universally accepted position that every word in the bible is the word of God. That might be your belief it is NOT a universal Christian belief.

Not universally and it is, in any case, highly debatable in fact not just belief.

Where in the Christian faith does it say being homosexual is a "deadly" sin? It is not one of the seven deadly sins as understood be traditional teaching (although the extent to which the Bible actually supports the idea of the seven deadly sins is in itself debatable). But homosexuality is not one of the seven deadly sin if you believe they exist. The majority of bible passages about homosexuality are from Leviticus and Corinthians both of which I would strongly argue are actually legal and moral declarations that reflect their times rather than tenants of a fundamental doctorine of faith.