GunnerBill

Josh wasn't ready so they didn't want to put him out there, but he was still noticeably the best of the 3.

I can't. Goff never got enough credit for his part in the early success the Rams had with McVay. All that "McVay reads the defense for him" stuff was the biggest load of garbage I have ever heard. McVay is a top OC, no question, and that helps a QB but the level of disrespect and ridicule Goff got was crazy and I'm glad he has proved in Detroit that he is a good Quarterback. I think the thing that maybe he doesn't have that leads to him being underrated is he seems to lack the general Quarterback arrogance. And maybe that does hold him back some. He just seems a bit low key. It worked out for the Rams moving on... they won their Superbowl (though had Goff played the Bengals and not Belichick in the first McVay Superbowl my guess is they win that one too). But the Lions did great in that deal too.

He has fumbled at least twice that I have seen reported. Brady was asked yesterday "apart from the fumbles..." and he started his answer with "yea but the fumbles are big he has to look after the ball." Fair to say I think they are drumming that home already.

Aaron Williams.

It is. And I am not saying Milton will start. But I just don't think the Peterman - Allen analogy works here. The Bills were adament Josh wasn't in a competition.... but to the extent he was he won it hands down

We don't know that is what it means. The coding is speculation. I am persuaded on red and blue. Not persuaded on his guesses for pink, purple and grey.

Charles Woodson. Devin McCourty. Malcolm Jenkins. Chauncey Gardner-Johnson. Aaron Williams. New Bill Kareem Jackson. Actually in just 20 seconds thinking about it there are six who went from corner to be good safeties (with a couple of elite guys in there). I am not arguing for it with Rasul to be clear. But I don't think Fangio is right when he says the number is very small.

He didn't outplay Allen in camp though. Allen was the best QB in that camp as a rookie. They just didn't want to start him week 1. They tried the Peterman thing just to avoid that. It was never working.

Milton was always a swing for the fences. If someone can tame him and control him he could hit big.

I've heard from someone who has been there that he has looked way more focussed than both 2022 and 2023 training camps and he is locked in. That is encouraging but it is still camp. If Josh could have his best season as a Bill that would help us significantly.

He started a couple of games at center for Dallas as a rookie and I think has done it in spot duty after that too when their centre missed snaps nicked up. He has mainly been a guard in the NFL, that is true. He hasn't played consistently as a center since he was a freshman in college, but it is not a brand new position to him.

Yea my point was I think red and blue are definitely right. I'm less persuaded that he has got the other tags right.

Don't be silly that is not what is going on. I was very clear I don't think it was completable even if Keon caught it first time. The ball was already beyond the sideline to my eyes. My only criticism is on the Bills social media team in that it an out of bounds catch makes it to a highlights clip up. Which is dumb.

Red is definitely injury flag. Blue for a leader / captain type makes sense to me too. Not sure about pink and purple.

As is said above, Kincaid doesn't fumble the Bills have a chance to win that game. I am not disputing that the Bengals are a bad matchup for us. But the playoff game was still an anomoly. Both can be true and both are true. The Bills never turned up for that game. In 44 games playoff and regular season it is the one time a team has beaten us out of sight. And it is because the Bills never played. They were flat from the kick off. The body language and the lack of energy from the players was noticeable. That game is not like the others. The Bengals may still have beaten us had we come out to play. But it was basically a walkover.

I think he is already out even if he catches it cleanly. It isn't close. Odd play to clip up for a highlight.

But in the other two meetings the Bills have moved the ball too. In the Damar game we went right down the field too and Beasley dropped a ball in the endzone. Then last season that was a competititve game back and forth. Are the Bengals a touch match up for us? Yes. But was that game more about the Bills just not showing up? Yes.

Wasn't true that night sadly. We didn't get Josh.

I hope so.

It looks when he stands up like the lines go away from behind him horizontally near side to far side. And you can see in the corner of the shot the corner of the endzone which based on the field lines can only be the near side endzone corner. And he doesn't even look close to being in. I don't think you need to know the exact location of the feet.

I think he is out of bounds. I think he was out by the time he got his hands on it. Looking at the lines as he stands up after I think he is out on the near edge of the endzone.

It looks to me like he was outside the field of play when he tries to catch it the first time, let alone the double clutch.

*regular season. Bengald beat us by 17 in the playoffs. But it is why I throw that game out. The Bills for whatever reason never showed up that day. They looked flat. Josh looked like a zombie and I think they were done the moment the game started.

Goff is the most disrespected QB in football over the past decade IMO.

We will see. Don't remember it with Kumerow but Sherfield had a couple of standout days in camp last year. Didn't mean much once the season started.