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19 hours ago, Bangarang said:
Peterman looked more decisive in his limited time than Tyrod looked all afternoon. He looks far more willing to try and push the ball downfield.
Not willing but determined to. That is two steps ahead of TT.
17 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:Tyrod is done. I think the team has quit on him. He's never shown any level of leadership or trying to pump up his players. He's like a zombie. Never see anger, emotion or any indication of trying to inspire his teammates. He's just a very fast and athletic backup qb scared to death to take chances.
I almost posted about the team quoting on him yesterday. I think it is a definite possibility. These guys know what a QB should do and at a certain point human nature kicks in and you say “WTF , why even try when the ball isnt gonna come out.”
These last two games have been as bad as we’ve seen from Jerkron or Greggo.
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2 hours ago, Jauronimo said:
Every DB was playing 10-15 yards back of scrimmage. Given the situation, Peterman's performance should be taken with a shaker of salt.
If Tyrod's play doesn't improve we will see Peterman in real game action soon enough.
They were playing press man coverage against TT???
Most of the fourth quarter was “ garbage time” . TT couldn’t get a first freaking down.
The announcers on my feed were imploring him to get the ball out repeatedly.
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1 hour ago, CodeMonkey said:
Since it was garbage time, it isn't an excuse. It is what it is. Would Peterman have done better, we'll never know. But is 5-4 the time for experimentation? And is TT the biggest problem? I mean, the Saints had 2 100+ yard rushers. Plus some 3rd stringer ripped off a big run late to get his first NFL TD. A 94 yard drive in the 3rd that was nothing other than runs up the gut that ended in a TD for gods sake, is Peterman is going to fix that? The defense !@#$ing sucked. No QB changes that.
Controlling the time of possession by long, methodical drives DOES help that.
31 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:The one thing that worries me about that is, are you then getting a guy who looks pretty good, so you build around him, but in three years you figure out he reached his cap around 2 + years ago.
I'm not against playing him, but the quote heard often about "most NFL ready coming out of the draft" does worry me some.
Other than “ Saviour Peterman , I don’t think anyone is calling him the second coming of( insert your favorite QB)
Before the season started, myself and a bunch of other predicted TT’s failings.
Peterman should be developed as a backup, I said. If by some miracle he is the guy... BONUS!!! But, I’m right back to: “ We aren’t going to the playoffs, let’s tank, get guys experience and get a better draft pick for next year.
And before someone hits me with the “ We still have a chance BS, No! No we don’t and if by fluke of flukes we got in, woopee freaking doo. We will be knocked right back out. I want more than that and TT doesn’t offer more.
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59 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:
Peterman was throwing underneath against a prevent shell. The defense is giving him the middle of the field.
Throw to EZ wasn’t underneath.
It also wasn’t a throw TT usually attempts... certainly not coming out that quickly.
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1 minute ago, dneveu said:
I mean - were jordan, rankins, okafor, and lattimore playing on the final drive?
Which is why you play him and see.
What is the worst thing that happens? 47-3 for 56 yards?
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1 hour ago, apuszczalowski said:
All it proves is that Bills fans are desperate for anything, and get excited over something that proves nothing. It means he is just like almost every other backup QB that has come in and thrown a few good passes to get a garbage time TD. How did his second drive go?
His second drive was the TD.
His first drive ended with a K. Benj drop for a first down followed by a low snap he handled and got a perfect pitch out to RB . Should have bootlegged left. People forget the kid can run, not TT Run , but he’s not a statue.
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1 hour ago, Believer said:
The Saints pass rush was not pressuring Peterman... He had plenty of time to throw, unlike TT...
Peterman reacts differently to pressure.
TT hates to move laterally while keeping his eyes down field. He turns his back and does a counter clockwise turn to the right and then has to reaquire the view downfield. He already can’t see downfield well so this doesn’t work sometimes. Open receivers getting missed or the ball being thrown late, too close to the line or out.
Peterman gets it out or takes a sack. With some coaching/ reps it is not hard to imagine him cutting down on the sacks with the use of an outlet receiver/ back
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1 minute ago, ROONDOGG55 said:
Yeah, forgot to mention how he has barely had a chance to throw to Jordan Mathews and Deonte Thompson as well. You've got to be impressed with how he handled himself out there, garbage time or not. Bills coaches need to put their best guys out there, and you cant make exemptions for the QB.
Pass to Matthews at the 13 is money.
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Also, Shady is going to have better chances if the ball is coming out that quick. Then, suddenly the play action starts working.
It’s almost like rocket science but it really isn’t. It is just competent QB play causing and offense to function?
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6 minutes ago, ROONDOGG55 said:
You know TT took every chance to build a chemistry with this guy and did nothing with it
Simply not true. TT clearly managed to not hit KB for a TD on the first drive and a first down on the very next pass.
You can’t take that away from him.
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43 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:
. Call me Mrs Petrerman.
Mrs Petrerman! Mrs Petrerman!!
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Sorry. I couldn’t help myself.
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6 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:
Peterman won't start a game this year, but there will inevitably be a lot of talk about it from posters like you.
"Tyrod is our starter."
4 simple words said by McDermott without hesitation when asked.
We'll almost inevitably draft our QB in 2018.
Peterman almost certainly won't be our QB of the future.
“Is” is present tense.
Which poster on this board knows the future?
Two weeks ago(in some thread somewhere)I said I was starting to grudgingly come around but needed two more weeks before I was fully committed. I’m sure I wasn’t the only one on the “ slow down fast car” bandwagon.
Having said that, my bold prediction is Peterman will definitely start at least one game this year. This will be due to the continued bad play of TT coupled with our exiting the playoff race.
My main concern at that point is that we don’t see a repeat of the complete lack of effort like last years final.
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8 hours ago, dezertbill said:
I saw one play here Benjamin was about 20 yards down field heading towards the sideline with his guy 5 yards behind him. He was open yet TT didn't make the throw.
Saw that too. A week or two before, my son and I found a couple more like that.
He doesn’t see the field.
This isn’t just a “real time” ability. A QB needs to be able to visualize the whole field before it happens with an understanding of where the coverage is going before it happens,as well as, adjusting as it does happen.
On the O’Leary TD, Peterman understood the timing of the play and allowed it to develop. Not a broken play( Holmes TD/ Oakland) .
7 hours ago, reddogblitz said:The kid played very well in garbage time. This is a plus.
But let's not get ahead of ourselves.
Ahead of ourselves like a 47-3 shellacking?
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10 minutes ago, KingRex said:
I don't see the FACT that it was Garbagetime (if you don't think it was garbagetime in this blowout then feel free to make your case) but simply as a factor to be considered.
The question is simply one of what gives you the best chance of winning now and secondarily in the longer term.
Ironically, the answer to both questions is likely not start Peterman.
In the short run it seems incredibly unlikely that starting a rookie QB is going to turn a team blown out by the Saints at home and by the Jets on the road into a winner. First off, changing QBs does nothing to stop the Saints running game from running over the Bills at will. Getting rid of Dareus for nothing upfront had by far more impact on the run D than who got the QB start. This is where this game was lost. Perhaps you want to argue that Peterman would have kept pace with Brees productivity for the Saints better than Tyrod did.
Yeah right. Peterman opens the game with a TD drive rather than a FG drive as Tyrod did and it makes all the difference in slowing Ingram down.
Yeah right.
The true irony is that as nonsensical is the argument that going to Peterman now would be good for the Bills in the short term is that ironically, it probably would be even more harmful to Peterman's development.
Bringing Peterman in when we did today was actually the right move for his development. Garbagetime is the perfect time to develop this rookie QB. One of the worse things we could do for his development is to rush him in to a higher stakes situation where there is a demand for him to lead the team to victory which will not be achieved on a team whose run D is swiss cheese, where the GM and HC are more committed to building a team for the future than winning now, and the OC has shown little ability to consistently be productive with talented players he does have.
Garbagetime is not an excuse for Peterman, it's a REASON. Peterman should only play when the Bills have given up on winning the game or given up on winning this season. This is likely how his teammates will interpret a decision by our braintrust to give up on and bench our current starting QB.
It is incredibly unlikely that a 5th round draftee rookie QB is gonna lead this team to win now. We rushed TC into the pressure of a starting role too early to train the happy-feet out of himand likewise we were stupid in our failed effort to develop JP as we gave him more responsibility than this youngster had the ability to handle.
Throwing Peterman into a starting role difficult if not impossible for even most 1st round talented QBs to handle is almost certainly bad for the Bills and likely would be worse for development of Peterman himself.
Even a QB as talented as Tom Brady profited from sitting for a year. A key for smart development and training of Peterman is to let him develop the success that a good rookie can achieve in garbage time!
While I don’t fully agree, your point has some merit.
6 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:Still the best QB on the team who'll start as long as they remain in contention. Rinse and repeat argument.
Agree to disagree. He’s not a QB. Today was yet another reminder of this fact.
Eyes closing. Goodnight Gentlemen ?
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6 minutes ago, HappyDays said:
I have to say I am intrigued to know what Peterman would look like in a full game with a week of preparation. I did not see his plays today, this was the first game all year I turned off before it was over. But his stat line is good and I’ve seen a couple of his throws including the TD. Garbage time, sure, but he does look accurate and decisive. If we lose against the Chargers I would support giving him a shot.
My wife wanted to turn it off but I wouldn’t let her as I had a sneaking hunch this might be the game Peterman got some reps.
I admit I wasn’t actively watching the last 20 minutes until he came in. It was brutal:(
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5 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:
They all look "promising" until they have to play for an extended period of time.
Like TT?
Not much promise left to see in that one.
6 minutes ago, dezertbill said:The Bills play the Chargers/Chiefs/Patriots next three games.
Even if Tyrod lays an egg, I don't see Peterman starting until after those three games.
Chargers are the only winnable game currently, IMO
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3 hours ago, BillsEnthusiast said:
My bad, Cameron Jordan, not Cameron Brate. The latter was on my fantasy team.
Said it in the Game thread.
All remaining opponents Defensive plans will do likewise.
He HATES the pocket.
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3 hours ago, JM2009 said:
8-8. Chargers are 3-6 with no home field advantage. Split with Miami, beat Indy. 8-8 forever.
Exactly my thoughts also.
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I get that Saints won this game a few quarters before Peterman even entered the game but they were still playing.
His first couple passes were good. A first down on an out and a dump off over the middle for nine.
He muffed the third pass on what looked like a miscommunication with O’ Leary.
His fourth pass was a perfect, just missing the defender, hit his hands pass to K.Benj for a first.... which he dropped. KB does that from time to time.( Which is one reason I wasn’t excited about the pickup.)
Fourth down play he handles a low snap adeptly and gets the pitch out to the back who gets stuffed.
First drive/ 5 Plays/ 2 of 4 / 1 drop, 1 miss
Next drive
First pass / Dump off which would have netted 6 yards but results in a 15 yarder for Unnecessary Roughness. Because the Saints quit???
Second pass/ Beauty to K.Benj that hits him in stride. 21 yards. Draws accolades from announcer as best pass of the day BECAUSE it traveled more than 10(!?) yards through the air and was thrown after reading the field and finding the open man.
Third pass/ 12 yarder to K. Benj with DB on him as ball gets there. TT doesn’t take that chance.
Fourth pass/ Peterman recognizes man coverage on Thompson, looks off the safety to the left and slings it right, overthrowing him by 1 step. The Rookie reads the D Pre snap and knows to play off the safety with his eyes!!!
Fifth pass/ he gets it out over a D lineman’s hands and hits Matthews as the DB just stops and sits watching the backfield, allowing Matthews to get open. Pass hits Matthews at the 13 and allows him to get to the six because it’s not thrown too close to the sideline like a certain someone( who has great stats because he doesn’t take chances which forces his receivers out after the catch) The ball is out before the receiver is finishing his break or has turned his head. Anticipation!!!!
Sixth pass/ Peterman stands in as left side of picket is collapsing behind him, allows O’Leary time to clear the LB and Safety on a slot route, rolls that way and hits O’ Leary the only place he could. TD. O’ Leary’s First TD.
The Saints were playing good D and these guys weren’t running free by any means. The most open was K.Benj on the 21 yarder when he got into a hole in the zone. A throw TT doesn’t see or make.
You want your TT. You can keep your TT.
This garbage about mailing it in or Garbage Time scoring is pathetic!!!
The only real QB on this team came in and showed why he is the guy who should be starting.
Does he win this game? Probably not. But, the Defense should actually get some rest and the score should most likely be less lopsided.
Remember back when Cassel, EJ and TT were fighting for the starting position and TT clearly caused the O to have a spark. I was an EJ guy but even I admitted they looked better under TT.
This is exactly the same. If you still have to make excuses about the D sucking, or O line sucking, or play calling sucking, or Saints gifting it to us etc. please give it up.
Finally, I’m not calling Peterman, Montana or Brady but I am calling him competent. He was billed as the most NFL ready coming out of the draft for a reason. TT is NOT, nor EVER will be a competent starting QB in the NFL.
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21 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:
If this staff was truly about accountability and such yes an open competition should start Monday
This!!!!
All day!!!!
What does the “ Most NFL ready QB from the 2017 draft.” have to do?
TT is not getting it done.
Peterman made throws today that TT doesn’t make. He drops, sets, throws. With accuracy.
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An that COTers is what a QB does!
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Cue the TT apologists!!!
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Ahhhhhh( Sound of Angels)
a QB who can THROW!!!!
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Peterman!!!
efffing FINALLY
Don’t use “ Garbage time” excuse!
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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insinuate, suggest, hint (at), intimate, say
Hey Kiddies, Let’s use our new word in a sentence:
Jauronimo implied Peterman couldn’t be judged due to lack of strong coverage from the DBs.... just like TT had been facing.... and failing against miserably.
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